_ 12 Feet Tall Italian Fig Tree Giveaway :)

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Figs4Life

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Posted 1380076457	Reply with quote #1

A friend of mine has a 10 year old tree that he wants to get rid of it, he said he would give it to me if I can dig it up, its a 12 feet tall and the bark is around 11 inches thick. my question here is, is it possible in such large tree to be replanted? Has anyone tried it with great success? If so, can you please explain to me what needs to be done pls? __________________ Wish List: - White Greek - Maltese Falcon - Excel - Celeste FL Follow me on youtube for more Fig videos: Silver Destiny My name is George & I live in NY zone 6B

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Posted 1380077331	Reply with quote #2

Take a lot of cuttings, instead. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com http://figs4fun.com http://webebananas.com "pitangadiego" everywhere

jenniferarino83

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Posted 1380077418	Reply with quote #3

Yes, there is a member here who relocated his tree (that was several years old) and was successful. The tree did recover. I forgot who it was. Congratulations Jenny __________________ Jennifer A. Brown Wishlist: NONE Boise ID ZONE 5

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Posted 1380078617	Reply with quote #4

Ask Jimmy Chau, he seems to do it a lot. __________________ Tami SE Texas

Tam

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Posted 1380079283	Reply with quote #5

Hi! Figs4Life, 1. For the tree that big, it is best to wait in early spring in 2014 before the leaves come out. Dig it up, and replant at your house. It will grow back fine. 2. If you can wait for all the leaves to drop in this fall, then you can dig it up and replant at your house, but you have to protect it in the winter otherwise it will die. 3. If you have to dig it right away or in a few days, I recommend the following: Once you replant it at your house, you must cover the tree completely with a any thick fabric (fabric spreadsheets), any color white is better, but not black. Make sure you keep the fabric close to the bark. Everyday, keep spraying the water on the fabric to keep it moist at all the time during the daytime. You have to do this for at least 2 or more weeks. Good luck to your new tree. Best, Tam

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Posted 1380080987	Reply with quote #6

Think of it as a giant cutting that has already rooted. I agree, in your area wait for spring. __________________ In containers - Littleton, CO (zone 5b) In ground - N.E of Austin, TX (zone 8b) 2016 Wish List: Dārk Pōrtuguese, Grānthāms Royāl, Lātarolla, Negrettā, Nōire de Bārbentāne, Rockāway Green, Viōlet Sepōr, Viōlette Dāuphine. Iranian figs are always welcome.

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Posted 1380088831	Reply with quote #7

I would dig it up any time after it goes dormant. First I'd cut all the branches way back to make it easier to move. Then offer cuttings for postage here and become very popular :) Several of us have done it. 3-5 cuttings in a ziplock, sent in a small flat rate priority box. People paypal you $7 and you make a dollar/box. You could easily end up $100 richer. __________________ Zone 6, MO Wish list: Galicia Negra, De La Reina - Pons, Genovese Nero - Rafed's, Sbayi, Souadi, Acciano, Any Rimada, Sodus Sicilian, any Bass, Pons or Axier fig, any great tasting fig.

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Posted 1380102757	Reply with quote #8

I might be able to help out and I'm close by

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Posted 1380106466	Reply with quote #9

>>> and the bark is around 11 inches thick. Is that the circumference? Or is it 11/[fig]pie = 3.5" diameter? For a 10 year old; an 11" diameter trunk seems a little huge for me (and much much harder to dig out). Is it a single trunk tree or a bush? It looks like a very good delicious fig, and for a few cuttings, I may be able to come help out too. I would first trim it down and save ALL the cuttings. The big job is digging the root ball out. I would cut the roots, say 12-18" away and all around the stump, and then somehow pry it loose; a good heavy duty crow-bar comes to mind (I have 2). [also some 2' piece of a tree-log/4x4-wood/etc., will do as the lever-pivot-point] Just cutting the tree to ground does not make your friend happy; it will grow back pretty quickly [most likely as a thick bush]. I have heard that pouring some weed-killer on a freshly cut trunk (splitting the trunk may be better) will kill the rest of the tree stump and roots. Late in the season, one can also force dormancy by cutting all the leaves too. __________________ George, NJ_z7a.

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Posted 1380106861	Reply with quote #10

I would cut around the rootball like gorgi said and if you are willing break your back taking it out, realize it's going to take some time and a lot of digging, a madock. I wouldn't do it until it's dormant, march or early april, prune it back this fall to main branches and only 1-2 feet long on those branches. When you replant it, you will need to water it in very well but if you do things right it should do just fine, just a lot of work, if you can, convince him to leave it in later and take a big air layer off on of the branches, if not take a bunch of dormant cuttings and you will save yourself a lot of work. If you will kill the stump, mix some anti freeze with the weed killer, the anti freeze helps the weed killer stick to the vascular system and makes it much more effective. __________________ Canada Zone 6B

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Posted 1380111887	Reply with quote #11

Also, dooo ask your friend about the history of this nice fig, if any is known, e.g., the name of the fig and/or its origin. The pics do remind me of KK's 'Lyndhurst White' fig... __________________ George, NJ_z7a.

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Posted 1380116081	Reply with quote #12

Figs seem to be tough......I bought a green Ischia that turned out to be a Latrulla. It needed to be moved or disposed of and I could not make up my mind which route I would follow. I hooked a tow strap around the trunk connected to the front end loader on my tractor and ripped it from the ground without any digging. It came out with no soil and many broken roots. Moved it to its new spot cut it back severely and planted it and it leafed out this spring just fine though did not fruit. It was not nearly as big as the fig you are talking about but as long as you balance the top with what roots you move, mulch it and keep it watered when it wakes up it should do ok.

Tam

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Posted 1380117461	Reply with quote #13

Many good advices. Thanks. Best, Tam

Figs4Life

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Posted 1380119861	Reply with quote #14

Quote: Originally Posted by RichinNJ I might be able to help out and I'm close by I very much appreciated, I will probably do it at Spring and you're welcome to have as many cuttings you like, there is also a new growth on the bottom twhich the owner left. __________________ Wish List: - White Greek - Maltese Falcon - Excel - Celeste FL Follow me on youtube for more Fig videos: Silver Destiny My name is George & I live in NY zone 6B

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Quote: Originally Posted by Tam Hi! Figs4Life, 1. For the tree that big, it is best to wait in early spring in 2014 before the leaves come out. Dig it up, and replant at your house. It will grow back fine. 2. If you can wait for all the leaves to drop in this fall, then you can dig it up and replant at your house, but you have to protect it in the winter otherwise it will die. 3. If you have to dig it right away or in a few days, I recommend the following: Once you replant it at your house, you must cover the tree completely with a any thick fabric (fabric spreadsheets), any color white is better, but not black. Make sure you keep the fabric close to the bark. Everyday, keep spraying the water on the fabric to keep it moist at all the time during the daytime. You have to do this for at least 2 or more weeks. Good luck to your new tree. Best, Tam thanks for the aadvice Tam , I will do at spring then :) __________________ Wish List: - White Greek - Maltese Falcon - Excel - Celeste FL Follow me on youtube for more Fig videos: Silver Destiny My name is George & I live in NY zone 6B

Figs4Life

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Quote: Originally Posted by james Think of it as a giant cutting that has already rooted. I agree, in your area wait for spring. so I guess I need a lot of peat moss lol __________________ Wish List: - White Greek - Maltese Falcon - Excel - Celeste FL Follow me on youtube for more Fig videos: Silver Destiny My name is George & I live in NY zone 6B

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Quote: Originally Posted by Tam Many good advices. Thanks. Best, Tam yes indeed __________________ Wish List: - White Greek - Maltese Falcon - Excel - Celeste FL Follow me on youtube for more Fig videos: Silver Destiny My name is George & I live in NY zone 6B

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Quote: Originally Posted by gorgi Also, dooo ask your friend about the history of this nice fig, if any is known, e.g., the name of the fig and/or its origin. The pics do remind me of KK's 'Lyndhurst White' fig... The name of the fig tree is unknown, his father brought it from Sicily. He never wrapped this tree before in the winter, it has a small eye with a drop of honey , the color of the drop is sometimes red or honey color, the seeds are crunchy and they taste has a strong Figgy taste, the fig is sweet and very delicious , this skin crack a little bit and is sweeter than the inside, the tree produces two times but to me it seems it never stops produces, it is a heavy barrier with medium to medium/large figs. my father in law he is a really big fan of figs and he was always bragging about his friends fig tree to be the best fig tree since you been here in America, but when he came to my friends house and tasted those figs he was speechless, he said he never thought a fig tree will produce such FIGS here in America __________________ Wish List: - White Greek - Maltese Falcon - Excel - Celeste FL Follow me on youtube for more Fig videos: Silver Destiny My name is George & I live in NY zone 6B

Figs4Life

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Posted 1380121181	Reply with quote #19

Quote: Originally Posted by WillsC Figs seem to be tough......I bought a green Ischia that turned out to be a Latrulla. It needed to be moved or disposed of and I could not make up my mind which route I would follow. I hooked a tow strap around the trunk connected to the front end loader on my tractor and ripped it from the ground without any digging. It came out with no soil and many broken roots. Moved it to its new spot cut it back severely and planted it and it leafed out this spring just fine though did not fruit. It was not nearly as big as the fig you are talking about but as long as you balance the top with what roots you move, mulch it and keep it watered when it wakes up it should do ok. great encouragement thank you __________________ Wish List: - White Greek - Maltese Falcon - Excel - Celeste FL Follow me on youtube for more Fig videos: Silver Destiny My name is George & I live in NY zone 6B

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Quote: Originally Posted by gorgi >>> and the bark is around 11 inches thick. Is that the circumference? Or is it 11/[fig]pie = 3.5" diameter? For a 10 year old; an 11" diameter trunk seems a little huge for me (and much much harder to dig out). Is it a single trunk tree or a bush? It looks like a very good delicious fig, and for a few cuttings, I may be able to come help out too. I would first trim it down and save ALL the cuttings. The big job is digging the root ball out. I would cut the roots, say 12-18" away and all around the stump, and then somehow pry it loose; a good heavy duty crow-bar comes to mind (I have 2). [also some 2' piece of a tree-log/4x4-wood/etc., will do as the lever-pivot-point] Just cutting the tree to ground does not make your friend happy; it will grow back pretty quickly [most likely as a thick bush]. I have heard that pouring some weed-killer on a freshly cut trunk (splitting the trunk may be better) will kill the rest of the tree stump and roots. Late in the season, one can also force dormancy by cutting all the leaves too. by the eye is 11 inches from one side to the other side and its not a bush , its actually 2 barks coming up next to each other which I will probably split it apart and give one of it to my brother in law. The reason he does not want it is because his father is too old it does not have the energy to climb up the tree, I told him I will bring him a bag every year . thanks for all the advice Very kind of you to offer help, I will probably do it early in the spring , and you're welcome to have as many cuttings as you like __________________ Wish List: - White Greek - Maltese Falcon - Excel - Celeste FL Follow me on youtube for more Fig videos: Silver Destiny My name is George & I live in NY zone 6B

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Posted 1380121887	Reply with quote #21

While you are at it; do take some pics of some 'typical' leaves off the mother tree. That will be much help for a (possible) fig ID, for the many fig experts here (not me!). __________________ George, NJ_z7a.

Tam

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Posted 1380122241	Reply with quote #22

George: Your Welcome. Please share a few cuttings with me. Thank you. Best, Tam

Figs4Life

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Quote: Originally Posted by gorgi While you are at it; do take some pics of some 'typical' leaves off the mother tree. That will be much help for a (possible) fig ID, for the many fig experts here (not me!). I did took some more pictures, but for some reason mine Photobucket does not work today __________________ Wish List: - White Greek - Maltese Falcon - Excel - Celeste FL Follow me on youtube for more Fig videos: Silver Destiny My name is George & I live in NY zone 6B

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Posted 1380126945	Reply with quote #24

>>> by the eye is 11 inches from one side to the other side and its not a bush That is one large (11" diameter) tree trunk! To pull it out, you will need more of a machine kind of help (rather than pure human muscle power). Just cut all the cuttings you can and then kill the stump. It so happens that yesterday; I watched a 2++ foot diameter tree (neighbor's sidewalk) being cut down by some professional tree-expert co. There were 4 big trucks and 5 people involved :- (a) Cheery picker bucket with a man wilting a chain saw. (b) Pole crane to tie and bring down big branches tied and cut by (a) (c) Wood chipper that turns ~1' think branches into little chips into the truck. (d) A heavy load truck for the last two big-wide trunk pieces (good for lumber?). and, then later #5 still came... (e) a truck equipped with some stump 'grinding' machine (it rattled my house) - at the end, I only saw a big pile mix of soil and chips - no roots and/or stump!?! Quite an amazing synchronized job!!!! This probably cost my town 1000's of $$$; partly paid by me off the local taxes... __________________ George, NJ_z7a.

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Posted 1380129989	Reply with quote #25

I can do it and distribute cuttings. Have been moving a lot of trees, and my yard still have space for 100+ large tree. __________________ Jimmy Northern NJ - zone 6 ebay ID: jillji Wish List: Aubique Petite, Japanese White, Jolly Tiger, Maltese Beauty, Norland, San Giovanni...

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Posted 1380132017	Reply with quote #26

Now we all know: Who do you call ?... them 'Ghost Busters' ?... no, no..., just call Jimmy. __________________ George, NJ_z7a.

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Posted 1380140439	Reply with quote #27

When I want to move trees in the spring I root prune them in the fall and add bio plex or Superthrive. This encourages new smaller roots to start growing closer to the trunk. In the spring I dig a trench around the root ball and bio plex again. Let that absorb for two or three days and then finish your dig. A tree that big I would wrap in burlap and throw in a wire basket. You can burlap and wrap in chicken wire bound tight for the same effect. Wrap it very well before you try to lift it out of the hole. A 2" tree will weigh about 150 lbs. A 6" tree is well over 1000 lbs. You can google the correct size root ball based on the actual caliper. A double truck is only calipered on the largest trunk. (Don't double it). This sounds like a very large tree and the rental of some equipment may not be a bad idea. P.S. I've been a landscaper and Landscape Designer for over 20 years. I've never moved a fig tree that big but the theory should apply. __________________ https://www.facebook.com/From-The-Ground-Up-403313193085649/

Figs4Life

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Posted 1380166013	Reply with quote #28

does the fruit lose theres sweetness and taste after the tree reaches a certain age? the reason why I want to keep it is , I want to keep growing it and get a really fat tree, will the taste improve or starting to die down? __________________ Wish List: - White Greek - Maltese Falcon - Excel - Celeste FL Follow me on youtube for more Fig videos: Silver Destiny My name is George & I live in NY zone 6B

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Quote: Originally Posted by gorgi >>> and the bark is around 11 inches thick. Is that the circumference? Or is it 11/[fig]pie = 3.5" diameter? For a 10 year old; an 11" diameter trunk seems a little huge for me (and much much harder to dig out). Is it a single trunk tree or a bush? It looks like a very good delicious fig, and for a few cuttings, I may be able to come help out too. I would first trim it down and save ALL the cuttings. The big job is digging the root ball out. I would cut the roots, say 12-18" away and all around the stump, and then somehow pry it loose; a good heavy duty crow-bar comes to mind (I have 2). [also some 2' piece of a tree-log/4x4-wood/etc., will do as the lever-pivot-point] Just cutting the tree to ground does not make your friend happy; it will grow back pretty quickly [most likely as a thick bush]. I have heard that pouring some weed-killer on a freshly cut trunk (splitting the trunk may be better) will kill the rest of the tree stump and roots. Late in the season, one can also force dormancy by cutting all the leaves too. I hope someone in this forum can ID this Fig tree __________________ Wish List: - White Greek - Maltese Falcon - Excel - Celeste FL Follow me on youtube for more Fig videos: Silver Destiny My name is George & I live in NY zone 6B

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Posted 1380207614	Reply with quote #30

Looks like you can get 2 trees out of that... Take a look at this... http://aubreypub.typepad.com/weblog/2010/02/mobile-fig-tree.html __________________ Connecticut - Zone 6B Wish List - Bordissot negra rimada

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Posted 1380218114	Reply with quote #31

George: That is a very nice tree. It is a double-trunk tree which represents the twin sisters. Please let them stay together, do not separate them; moreover, the tree will weaken more further if you do divide them. The bark of your tree is like your skin. When it’s damaged, pathogens get in which cause infections easily and furthermore, your tree will devote all its energy to healing instead of growing. Thank you. Best, Tam

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Posted 1380220050	Reply with quote #32

I can totally understand wanting to keep the tree as is. A lot will depend on how bound the roots are in the yard. From a tree friend of mine (Remember that transplanting causes stress, which you want to minimize as much as possible. If you want to transplant in spring, it must be done after the ground has thawed and before the plant has started to bud out. If you wish to transplant in the fall, it should occur after leaf drop but before the ground freezes. A transplant will likely not survive if it has budded out in the spring or if it has not had time to become established in the fall prior to ground freeze.) Fig can be very resilient and given enough care can go through a great deal, just make sure you have it's new home good to go so it, spends as little time out as possible. I moved three 15'-20' tall crape myrtles and they had been pushed out of the ground by an earth mover.... they are lovely trees 9 years later. You will need to do major pruning and if you did have some cutting left over after everyone else got some I'd like a couple. __________________ Gloria --------------- 7a, maybe 8

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Quote: Originally Posted by Tam George: That is a very nice tree. It is a double-trunk tree which represents the twin sisters. Please let them stay together, do not separate them; moreover, the tree will weaken more further if you do divide them. The bark of your tree is like your skin. When it’s damaged, pathogens get in which cause infections easily and furthermore, your tree will devote all its energy to healing instead of growing. Thank you. Best, Tam Tam, well it produce good figs in the future as it agwes? would the figs taste as good let's say 10 to 15 years from now? how many years does a fig tree live? __________________ Wish List: - White Greek - Maltese Falcon - Excel - Celeste FL Follow me on youtube for more Fig videos: Silver Destiny My name is George & I live in NY zone 6B

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Posted 1380226428	Reply with quote #34

That is a huge tree! I hope that you are not planning to transplant as is. If so, you will need to bring in some heavy artillery. __________________ George, NJ_z7a.

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George: Fig trees are in the genus Ficus, from the family Moraceae. They are one of the ancient trees. If they are healthy, they do live very long time, more than 1000, 2000, 3000 years old. Thank you. Best, Tam

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Quote: Originally Posted by Tam George: Fig trees are in the genus Ficus, from the family Moraceae. They are one of the ancient trees. If they are healthy, they do live very long time, more than 1000, 2000, 3000 years old. Thank you. Best, Tam but how do they taste though? does it produce the same quantity figs as it did when they were 10 years old? do you have any idea of what type of soil mix i should use? __________________ Wish List: - White Greek - Maltese Falcon - Excel - Celeste FL Follow me on youtube for more Fig videos: Silver Destiny My name is George & I live in NY zone 6B

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Quote: Originally Posted by gorgi That is a huge tree! I hope that you are not planning to transplant as is. If so, you will need to bring in some heavy artillery. Hmmm, I would like to lol. but as you see, they are some fence in front of it, what kind of missionary do I need to rent? How much would you think it will cost if I hire some landscapers to do the job for me? __________________ Wish List: - White Greek - Maltese Falcon - Excel - Celeste FL Follow me on youtube for more Fig videos: Silver Destiny My name is George & I live in NY zone 6B

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Posted 1380235945	Reply with quote #38

Is the tree in Astoria? We go there a couple time a month for seafood I'd like to maybe snip a few twigs and get an early start if that might be possible?

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Posted 1380237444	Reply with quote #39

Wouldn't hurt to give a tree guy a call and see about the cost of moving it... I used to live in Astoria.... where do you go for Seafood Rich? __________________ Gloria --------------- 7a, maybe 8

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Quote: Originally Posted by GRamaley Wouldn't hurt to give a tree guy a call and see about the cost of moving it... I used to live in Astoria.... where do you go for Seafood Rich? Taverna Kyclades and MP Taverna are a couple of our favorites

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Posted 1380239639	Reply with quote #41

George Whatever happens eventually, take a lot of cuttings and root a couple of them as suggested by someone. That will be an insurance in case it is found to be too much to dig and move. __________________ Ottawan-Z5a, Canada

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Posted 1380240781	Reply with quote #42

George, any chance I can acquire some clippings too :) I'll provide an address if you provide a PayPal email. __________________ Tim

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Quote: Originally Posted by OttawanZ5 George Whatever happens eventually, take a lot of cuttings and root a couple of them as suggested by someone. That will be an insurance in case it is found to be too much to dig and move. good point __________________ Wish List: - White Greek - Maltese Falcon - Excel - Celeste FL Follow me on youtube for more Fig videos: Silver Destiny My name is George & I live in NY zone 6B

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Quote: Originally Posted by RichinNJ Is the tree in Astoria? We go there a couple time a month for seafood I'd like to maybe snip a few twigs and get an early start if that might be possible? Nobut I go there very often, I live in Whitestone. Sure you can , I just have to ask the owner first and I will let you know , no rush for a early start , there is a lot of new growth at the bottom of the tree (2 - 3 feet). it would be better if you come in the spring, by then it will be 5 - 6 feet tall __________________ Wish List: - White Greek - Maltese Falcon - Excel - Celeste FL Follow me on youtube for more Fig videos: Silver Destiny My name is George & I live in NY zone 6B

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Quote: Originally Posted by gorgi While you are at it; do take some pics of some 'typical' leaves off the mother tree. That will be much help for a (possible) fig ID, for the many fig experts here (not me!). Hi Gogi. I was wondering if nobody have seen this fig before and it's unknown , can i name them? do you think people in this forum will accept it? has anyone done this before? __________________ Wish List: - White Greek - Maltese Falcon - Excel - Celeste FL Follow me on youtube for more Fig videos: Silver Destiny My name is George & I live in NY zone 6B

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Posted 1380318852	Reply with quote #46

Hi George: You have a PM. Can you please contact me? Thank you, Leon

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Quote: Originally Posted by leon_edmond Hi George: You have a PM. Can you please contact me? Thank you, Leon Hi Leon ,. I PM you, and sorry for the delay my friend. __________________ Wish List: - White Greek - Maltese Falcon - Excel - Celeste FL Follow me on youtube for more Fig videos: Silver Destiny My name is George & I live in NY zone 6B

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Hi George: I finally got your PM. Look for my reply today. Leon

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