Kerry:I had 2 ripe Col de Dame grise this year.
One was ripe on October 15,and the second one got ripe a couple of days ago,but still ,very good tasting,with the special flavor.
Col de Dame white was ripe in,2009,on September 10,so that was showing me it is not such a very late cultivar.
Yet this year I concluded the CDD grise was so late because of totally adverse cold ,and rainy Summer,that made many more other cultivars late,and some not to ripe properly at all.
One requirement for this special cultivars when grown in adverse climate,is that the grower make sure the plant is placed(if in pot),or planted in ground,in such a location,as to receive ,"totally full sun all day".
Only with this requirement satisfied by the letter,one can have guaranteed success.
In my case,I have removed all the large trees out from my backyard,but My neighbors have tall 60 foot + Fir and ash trees on both sides,and so,there is some shade a couple of hours in the morning,and another couple of hours in the afternoon.
If there was full sun possible I am sure I will have ripe fruits much earlier,and ripe every year.