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7 days and counting, so far, no refund.
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James first post in this thread on 12/23/2015:

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Why don't I grow them out first and then sell them?  Because if I did, I wouldn't sell them for $7, I'd sell them for a price closer to their market value (i.e. for much more $$).  This is a special offer to sell you trees for little more than it costs me to produce them, but only if you pre-pay to cover those expenses.  Doing things this way allows me to know how many of each variety I need to grow, and it gives me the money in advance to cover the costs of growing them. 

So what's in it for me?  A large part of the cost of growing the fig trees will be heating my 4 greenhouses, where I also grow lots of fish and bananas.  Heating is really expensive, so I usually only heat half my space, and I only heat it a minimal amount.  But I would crank up the heat for your fig trees, and that would have the side benefits of making my fish and bananas happier and helping them to grow faster.   So in a nutshell, in exchange for hooking you up with cheap trees, you’d help to pay my heating bill and allow me to grow bigger fish and bananas.  Everybody wins :)

So the offer is out there:  If you're willing to wait until this upcoming spring/summer to receive your trees, then I will grow you whatever you want for $7 per tree. 

Orders will be filled on a first-come first-served basis.  Getting your order in early puts you at the front of the line and maximizes the odds that you'll receive your trees early in the season



I think James was very clear. Pay me first, then in 5 to 7 months your trees will be ready and shipped.



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As soon as they pay something towards the deal they are getting, they start thinking like a customer/consumer, no matter who they deal with. They start to claim ownership to something they have no right to.


I don't agree with you either. If I pay for something, of course I want to claim ownership on that particular item. In this particular case, after the deadline that James posted every customer that paid for their fig trees had the right to ask and claim about those trees.

I hope all of this ends well...


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Favors, What Favors?

There is a contract for the delivery of an item, at a certain date, for an amount of money, the contract is in default.  There are not or has there ever been, any "Favors" sold or paid for in this deal.

Reality, really!  the reality is that there is, and has been a breach of contract, that is reality.

Favors, laughable, not in the contract language of this deal, contract language, laughable!

This is like Charlie Brown waiting for the Great Pumpkin.

"To defend, one must first have a defensible position"

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I don't see how people expect to see such a fast turnover where they can get what they want in few months (which is what was promised, I do understand)

I wouldn't sell you a reject in one gallon for $17, nevertheless $7. Seriously.


I think people expected that fast turnover, because James made us believe that he had all those mature trees ready to take cuttings and start to root them. In reality, he had one or two young trees for most species. For some varieties he had mature trees, where he could took a lot of wood. But he also accepted too many orders from varieties like BM and other non comon varieties when he hadn't have the trees to provide enough wood for the cuttings. Even worst, without filling the 2015-2016 order, he started the 2017 sale and the cuttings sale. How you can sell cuttings when you don't have enough wood to finish your projects?

If he had told us the truth from the beginning, that this will be a very long project, then a lot of this discusions will not be happening. I think he could have mannaged to delivered those trees on time, but giving a limit on the non comom varieties. The sales would have been a lot less, but his name and reputation will still be good.

Frank, I agree with you in something, I would never sell those trees for $7, not even for $20.

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I think most of you lot are retired or unemployed folks. Stop writing essays and praising each other. Do something!. Let me explain why I'm so pissed off.
1)Search 'buy fig cuttings' on google.
James website will turn up.
2)Add your choice of varieties , in this case I added 100 Genovese Nero LOL.
And this guy is still willing to take your money after all this BS happening here.
I know at least 20 Malaysian and Thai people who have invested lots of money in this BS.
My question!. Does any of you know James !,as in has anyone actually met this guy??..
why does he deserve any support?
If any of you are living around James's area why don't you go and pay him a visit and post some updates here.

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I think most of you lot are retired or unemployed folks. Stop writing essays and praising each other. Do something!. Let me explain why I'm so pissed off. 1)Search 'buy fig cuttings' on google. James website will turn up. 2)Add your choice of varieties , in this case I added 100 Genovese Nero LOL. And this guy is still willing to take your money after all this BS happening here. I know at least 20 Malaysian and Thai people who have invested lots of money in this BS. My question!. Does any of you know James !,as in has anyone actually met this guy??.. why does he deserve any support? If any of you are living around James's area why don't you go and pay him a visit and post some updates here.


You are the "Police", why don't you Investigate this?

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I also did not plan on getting involved in this thread... but alas I have something I'd like to say. 

I am concerned about the vindictive nature of some of your attitudes. Seemingly you are seeking revenge on a guy that was fairly upfront about his start-up. It is a concern to me, because I am invested (albeit not heavily), I do expect to get my order fulfilled, and I do expect to be happy in the end. 

The problem I see, is all of you that are looking to sink his business because things aren't panning out how YOU planned them. But please, if you want a refund just follow his instructions and leave. Hell, maybe that'll mean he actually catches up a little bit. But I personally do not appreciate anyone trying to SINK a business that I expect to succeed, and subsequently I will get what I originally was promised... fig trees at a cheap price (only catch is you have to wait for them to be grown).

So again, voice your frustration, ask for a refund, and leave. If you pursue in wrecking a startup because its not going fast enough, then you are ruining other investors' return also... which sucks for those of us not in a hurry.

Thanks. 

PS. I have no connection to GreenFin other than my modest orders of fig trees
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You are the "Police", why don't you Investigate this?

Aha .. here comes the Bully Boy.
I would've, sadly I don't live around him. Why don't you?? You are his biggest supporter after all. One of your post says "you prefer trees in the dormant season" and when James fecked up you changed your mind and rather prefer them in spring!. Well did those little trees turned up to your door yet? Nearly summer now.
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Don't expect anything but sunshine pumping for James from grumpy cat (Frank Allen). Every post of his is cheerleading or exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@figPolice

if you have balls...you will post in your original handle...You already have a thread about this thread...so go post there.

@BobKelly1

It is good to be rich...you invest money without research...I know the price was too good to pass away...I know the wife did not consult you...if you are speaking the truth...Hope you get your money...I am rooting for you...If you are speaking the truth...

it is an eye opener , now we know why the Thai man was bad mouthing James on this thread...he is losing a lot of money and potential costumers...

An observation...the people who are claiming the James did not refund them their money are just recent members...so they are really strangers...that we do not know if they are speaking the truth or not...

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Silverado ---  Are you actually blaming the VICTIMS for this debacle?  Who started this? Who made the promises to deliver? who has failed to live up to his/her word?  THE PERPETRATOR!!, THAT IS WHO!!! JAMES IS THE ONLY ONE NOT KEEPING UP HIS END OF THE DEAL!!!  BLAME JAMES! NOT THE VICTIMS!!!!

To all my friends here, I apologize for my outburst but this is too much, blaming the victims, this defies the imagination!

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Don't expect anything but sunshine pumping for James from grumpy cat (Frank Allen). Every post of his is cheerleading or exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hey  (Member with no real name) ...How many Fig Trees did you buy? Oh that's right, you have no money to even buy some Fig Cuttings, you would like Vdb and Rdb ( I have a ton of them!) hahaha

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dkirt, what part of my post is "blaming" anyone? I, in fact, said "voice your frustration, get a refund, and leave." Instead of being vindictive, what a concept right?
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Hey Mark, you are right! There are a lot of people here that will not use their real name here. If they can talk about James like he is a common criminal, we also can do the same and support him!
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More exclamation points!!!!! Must be an Auburn fan!!!!!!! Grumpy Cat has kindly offered to send VDB and RDB trees to anyone waiting on James. Good job, man...Oops, almost forgot...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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if you have balls...you will post in your original handle...You already have a thread about this thread...so go post there.

@BobKelly1

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I can post as l like. You and Grumpy cat might've an extra pair of balls to have the audacity to support this guys fraud scheme. This is a gardening forum not a dating site. What's the catch?..Did you receive your trees already ?..And I'm most certainly not some hillbilly Thai farmer!
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@FigPolice

 you can post BUT for your post to have any weight...USE your original Handle...and not hide behind a anonymous one

what the Hell Thai Fig did to you...to call him Names...Please send him my regards.

No I know about James progress as much as everyone...I did not call you for advice...if you are antsy about your ask for a refund...I do not like people nagging.

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And it disintegrates again. Sad. :-(

Don't poke the trolls please.

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 you can post BUT for your post to have any weight...USE your original Handle...and not hide behind a anonymous one<


FYI this is my original handle, you keep repeating that statement!. You don't like people nagging then go away, who asked you to come and lecture me. Who the hell are you? And who the hell is Thai Fig for God sakes. Do you deserve more respect just because you been around here for a while? Or because you grow some hard to get varieties?.. Also who the hell are you to tell me to ask for a Refund? Maybe I rather had my money in my bank for the past 12 months!.. It's almost feels like being bullied . If anyone question James then his cheerleaders come up with solutions. I don't care about my money no more and for your info I have taken things legally. People wise up before James declare bankruptcy.
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Silverado-----your words

"The problem I see, is all of you that are looking to sink his business because things aren't panning out how YOU planned them."

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@FigPolice

 you had 6 posts, and all in this thread, telling us to file a complain about James...so you just started in this forum and you started giving advice...and the more you write , the less intelligent you sound...

so if you are HUNGRY for attention go do YouTube video...better for you to hit the road JACK...because we do not need your advice...
I hope you get your money...we do not like people to lose their money...always think Positive.
by the way...Staten Island is Located in the U.S.A

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Did he offer a way to get refunds? So when people look to sink a business that offers solutions, isn't that vindictive? Not blaming "victims", condemning people looking to 'get even' for not getting what they want when they want it. Taking a start-up to BBB screws everyone that is patiently waiting. I don't want my money back, and when people are looking to make sure he doesn't succeed, that sucks for people who are hoping he does succeed.
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Furthermore, any of you claiming that other nurseries always fulfill their orders in a timely manner, y'all obviously haven't ordered enough from them. Even Dave Wilson's online vendors 'pre-sold' certain varieties of trees that they were not able to fulfill due to crop failure. It happens. I'm happy patiently waiting for trees. If you're not, I suggest you get a refund and move on.
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I repeat it's a gardening forum!.. I can comment whatever and wherever I like. You and grumpy cat must be really intelligent then, I mean that's what bullies usually think of themselves . And yes I ended up here worried about what to do about all this and I have no interest or reason to participate in other threads. I don't have any problem with you or anybody else in this forum and you are the one attacking me with sarcastic comments which I don't really understand!. Thai fig and now Staten Island!! Wtf man?? You've been defending this guy since God knows when on basics of what exactly?? Because he is a good person? Or is it because he works hard?.. who cares! Stop winding yourself up for internet friends and go and eat some Easter left overs.
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Even Dave Wilson's online vendors 'pre-sold' certain varieties of trees that they were not able to fulfill due to crop failure. It happens.

Comparing David Wilsons nursery to this guys $7 deal is like comparing USA to Uganda. I really hope you get your trees but this has been a long wait and someone needs to go up there and tell us what's going on!.
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Comparing David Wilsons nursery to this guys $7 deal is like comparing USA to Uganda. I really hope you get your trees but this has been a long wait and someone needs to go up there and tell us what's going on!.


This is true, considering Dave Wilson has hundreds of acres, a full time staff, funding, and a long standing reputation, and yet still fails occasionally...maybe we give the $7 startup guy the benefit of the doubt?
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But I personally do not appreciate anyone trying to SINK a business that I expect to succeed, and subsequently I will get what I originally was promised...


I think this is the first time someone has admitted why they don't like the criticism for selfish reasons.  If the bottom falls out then they might not get their trees.

But let's think about that statement for a second.  Why should the business sink if people want their money back?  Trust me, if he has all those varieties that he was going to unload for $7 he should be happy at every cancellation.  He can then sell them for $25-$150, depending on the trees.  I guess maybe not if he has lost a lot of trust, but I bet they would go quickly on ebay.  So, if you accept that, then the only reason to worry is if you think the first crop of trees cannot continue without further investment.  And that would be a very bad sign indeed for the future orders.

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It is very selfish reasons that I hope it succeeds. I want the trees that I ordered, haha

I don't have any problems people asking for refunds. I stated that last page, it does help potentially. It's all the vendictive a holes on here HOPING that he fails that bothers me, cause that means I don't get trees.
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I hear you.  But they can't really make him fail.  He already has the investment and the rest is up to him, at least for 2016-2017.  For 2018 and beyond he will need to have delivered something or many will ask for money back.
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They can make him fail, reporting him, threatening visiting him with force, hell, even harassing him through emails (I'm sure it's happening), all of things are unneeded negatives that contribute to failure.

Like I said, once you've said your peace and received a refund, just move on. Right?
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Anyone ever think that maybe he doesn't respond to emails quickly is because he's inundating with hate mail? What motivation would you have to check email if it's nothing but threats and hate?
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His "motivation" should be to produce what people paid for. Why are you worried if his feelings are hurt?
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His "motivation" should be to produce what people paid for. Why are you worried if his feelings are hurt?


I'm worried people are making it harder for him, rather than easier... I want it to be easier for him so he succeeds.

Here's more food for thought... if he were trying to scam or defraud people then...
a) why give updates with pictures?
b) why give refunds?
c) why not just send out fakes of higher dollar figs?
d) why not just give up?
e) why respond to emails at all? (Yes I have received replies before)

For all of these things he's NOT doing, it shows that he is trying to make a good business (to me at least) he could have given up a long time ago, but hasn't... even with all the hate being spewed
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I don't think James started with bad intentions but at this point its misrepresentative and dishonest for him to continue allowing people to order 100+ Black Madeira if they please without even noting on his website that he is more than a full year behind on orders. I think its poor practice for him to neglect posting just a quick update. I'll continue to wait on my trees but i didn't order any of his listed backlog varieties so I think its a bit ridiculous that absolutely nobody has seen their trees regardless of variety. I'm on the calmer end of the people in this thread because I canceled my order for cuttings (James refunded me quickly, I give him credit for that although it was a few months back) and ordered from Harvey (who operates like a well oiled machine). Sooner or later though, James and his band of merry followers are going to stop making excuses and start making some shipments
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I do appreciate his attempt to offer low cost trees but at this point its gotten away from him and he needs to stop the snowball from getting any bigger. I do hope it works out because I would love to have a cheap reliable source of rooted trees
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Remember this? It was posted about a week or so after the initial offer. The prophecy is coming true right before our very eyes. LOL

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Silveradocanman


This is a problem of James own making.

My wife has her money sitting in James company for a year. I talked to him on the phone 2 months ago about partial delivery in late march. He assured me this wold happen.

Then numerous call from me to his voice mail, numerous emails to him....AND NOT ONE WAS ANSWERED.  

i am a business person, have owned companies. It is James decision not to answer. If he had explained the problems besides the post on his web site about a broken toe, (and that was over a month ago) I would have been simpatico, but refusing to communicate when he has been paid in full to the total of $4170.00 plus other people in Thailand we encouraged to buy from him, this beyond a simple sorry. 


I was unaware of this web site until my wife asked me to help her. Once I came to understand that James has never delivered any figs to anyone then I decided to end this farce.

I gave him until May 1st to refund my wife's money. If that happens I will leave him and rest of you in peace, if not then I will do what I do regardless of what anyone thinks about it. 

As far as being retired and having nothing better to do that post....way off base.

Last week I was in London, next week in WA DC May Panama, June, Singapore. I work for my money, and my wife works for her money. I have a ingrained hate for thieves, and this silence from James says he might not have started out to defraud people but that is what is clearly obvious is happening.
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Worse than this could ever be, is allowing your peace of mind to be violated. How we respond internally is a choice. If the money is important, take whatever steps you deem necessary, but no amount of money is worth your health, peace of mind and joy.  If you let it go, in my experience, chances are it will all work out in the long run.  The difficulty will be trying to get something from someone who may or may not have the ability to pay. Many of us may have lost money and personally I haven't lost a single nights sleep over it and I don't have a job to fall back on. I'm sorry about your wife's loss and make no excuses for James lack of communication but I think you're beating a dead horse here. No ones belittling you, shaming you or trying to discourage you, good luck in however you choose to proceed.      
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Bobkelley, do what you gotta do... all I'm saying is I hope fig karma hits us all at the same time. I'll be on the correct side, hope you are too.
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Worse than this could ever be, is allowing your peace of mind to be violated. How we respond internally is a choice. If the money is important, take whatever steps you deem necessary, but no amount of money is worth your health, peace of mind and joy.  If you let it go, in my experience, chances are it will all work out in the long run.  The difficulty will be trying to get something from someone who may or may not have the ability to pay. Many of us may have lost money and personally I haven't lost a single nights sleep over it and I don't have a job to fall back on. I'm sorry about your wife's loss and make no excuses for James lack of communication but I think you're beating a dead horse here. No ones belittling you, shaming you or trying to discourage you, good luck in however you choose to proceed.      


Well said Noel! Thanks

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My wife 


Let's clear this up. You are a wealthy old man, right? Hopping around the globe. Married to a young Thai wife, whom you don't even live with, and doesn't travel with you? You live in different parts of the world, have separate bank accounts, but she knows she can come crying to you when she has problems.  Why isn't she on this messageboard?

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I also did not plan on getting involved in this thread... but alas I have something I'd like to say. 

I am concerned about the vindictive nature of some of your attitudes. Seemingly you are seeking revenge on a guy that was fairly upfront about his start-up.



Up front? Many never set foot on this forum, just went to his page, and it doesn't say anything about waiting years for fig trees. Ordered figs as they thought it was a fig nursery, not a start up project. I myself am surprised at how few people are pissed off.

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I do have to say that that website is in serious need of a change.  Maximum order qty is sorely needed.  I'm not sure but it seems someone could order a few hundred trees, and that's just crazy to think one person can fulfill.  As I said earlier in the thread, it would be ideal if there were some disclaimers on there about how long things may take.  There is no indicator that fall 2017 will be late, for example, but it seems quite likely it will be.
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Up front? Many never set foot on this forum, just went to his page, and it doesn't say anything about waiting years for fig trees. Ordered figs as they thought it was a fig nursery, not a start up project. I myself am surprised at how few people are pissed off.


"The downside is the wait that comes with ordering a season in advance.  So if you need particular fig varieties right now, it may be best to go to ebay.  But if you're willing to wait and have your trees custom grown for you, then we can provide that service"

-from his website
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That is true but he unfortunately puts unrealistic ship dates on the page which people may take as gospel.  It is good they are aware they are being grown and do not exist yet, but there's a strong indication that they are to be shipped by a certain time.
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Lol, that was for the six month wait after ordering in December for Spring/Summer 2016 shipping.  Anticipated ship date of July 2016.  It's Spring 2017 now and still not a single tree has shipped.  It's hard to say if any even will ship at all.  James may have bitten off more than he could chew in the beginning but at this point, he is just outright lying to everyone and still taking orders that he has no possible chance to fulfill as promised on the order page.

Some possible answers from my pondering:
a) why give updates with pictures? To keep the cash flowing.  Everytime there is an update even if it a crazy as saying that he can turn 38 Black Madeiras of various size into 1500 trees in 4 months (or whatever the exact silly numbers were), everybody calms down.  
b) why give refunds? To again keep the cash flowing.  People feel more secure if they think they can get refunded so less to worry about.  
c) why not just send out fakes of higher dollar figs? That takes more trees than he has in the pictures and costs money and time.  Since no one has received his trees and verified varities, it's hard to say that isn't what he will end up doing though.  
d) why not just give up? Who's to say he hasn't.  
e) why respond to emails at all? (Yes I have received replies before).  Doesn't sound like he does anymore...not even refunds.  You'd think he'd have plenty of time to catch up on some messages/updates since he is bed ridden with his critically severe broken pinky toe.  Tape that s41t up and get moving.

Handles?  Who cares about handles?  It's a website with self generated handles.  Lots of people that have been here for years are anonymous.  I don't see people using their real names and posting their addresses.  For all we know, grumpy cat could be a 16 yr old girl in Cali.

Anyway, the only thing left to do is sit and wait as it doesn't sound like refunds are being issued any longer or try to get your money back through other means.  Arguing over it is just bringing this already disfunctional community even further apart.  As entertaining as it is like a Jerry Springer show at times, this thread really should be locked.

P.S.  @bobkelley1 - You dog!  Good job if its true.  Wealthy old man traveling the globe with a hot young asian wife waiting at home.  That's the life right there buddy.

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I think most of you lot are retired or unemployed folks. Stop writing essays and praising each other. Do something!. Let me explain why I'm so pissed off. 1)Search 'buy fig cuttings' on google. James website will turn up. 2)Add your choice of varieties , in this case I added 100 Genovese Nero LOL. And this guy is still willing to take your money after all this BS happening here. I know at least 20 Malaysian and Thai people who have invested lots of money in this BS. My question!. Does any of you know James !,as in has anyone actually met this guy??.. why does he deserve any support? If any of you are living around James's area why don't you go and pay him a visit and post some updates here.

With all due respect, please help me understand how someone who registered merely 3 days ago would be interested so much in a thread like this which has a long history. This can't be just a curiosity, tell us your real reason please :)

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With all due respect, please help me understand how someone who registered merely 3 days ago would be interested so much in a thread like this which has a long history. This can't be just a curiosity, tell us your real reason please :)


As I mentioned above, I don't not have any problem with any members here but James. I said what I did and I believe I have made the right decision and I also recommend others to follow what I did. Now why am I here , well some of my friends lost their money with this doggy deal and they just can't be bothered to fight with this guy simply because they can live with loosing few bucks. But this pinky toe BS really pissed me off and I recently found out that James is still taking orders and you can actually order 100 or 1000 Black Madeira if you want right now FACT!. Now what kind of a person would do such a thing "A FILTHY AND GREEDY ONE". Why would anybody defend James??. Mark said he don't like people loosing their money, well I don't either, and I most certainly don't want anyone to miss a growing season. The fun park of growing fig is being an amateur gardener and learning from mistakes, discussing it and learning new things every day. Why waste money on somebody else's doggy scheme. Would it hurt to keep that money in your own Bank?. It surprises me that James is still getting away with this and not many people are going mad. Again why would anyone defend a con artist living off other peoples hard earned money..You asked me a question politely and I hope I answered it clearly. Please don't twist my words like CNN! 
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Its pretty clear what your trying to do. Stir up sheet. You don't even have a dog in this fight so your just here because your Pissed off? So basically your a troll.

You don't want your words twisted yet you come in here and twist the situation. Your friends cant be bothered to fight with this guy? Seriously there is no fight. All they need to do is follow the instructions to get a refund. Takes less than 24 hrs to have your money back. So lets be clear, your friends didn't lose anything they just didn't feel like sending an email? And your pissed at James for this? Maybe you should be pissed at your friends instead, its their fault. How about they take responsibility for their money.

He's greedy for charging 7 bucks for very hard to get varieties?  By all means have your friends go on ebay and buy the black madeira or Ponte tresa there. If they get one for under 100 bucks they are doing well. You ask why people aren't pissed like you? Because in the fig community we know what it takes to make things happen and also know what a deal we are getting for 7 bucks for some of these varieties.
Have your friends go to lowes or tractor supply. they have some cheap figs there.

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