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Its pretty clear what your trying to do. Stir up sheet. You don't even have a dog in this fight so your just here because your Pissed off? So basically your a troll.

You don't want your words twisted yet you come in here and twist the situation. Your friends cant be bothered to fight with this guy? Seriously there is no fight. All they need to do is follow the instructions to get a refund. Takes less than 24 hrs to have your money back. So lets be clear, your friends didn't lose anything they just didn't feel like sending an email? And your pissed at James for this? Maybe you should be pissed at your friends instead, its their fault. How about they take responsibility for their money.

He's greedy for charging 7 bucks for very hard to get varieties?  By all means have your friends go on ebay and buy the black madeira or Ponte tresa there. If they get one for under 100 bucks they are doing well. You ask why people aren't pissed like you? Because in the fig community we know what it takes to make things happen and also know what a deal we are getting for 7 bucks for some of these varieties.
Have your friends go to lowes or tractor supply. they have some cheap figs there.

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I asked for a refund last night. I'll keep you guys updated if he follows through with it.
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He's greedy for charging 7 bucks for very hard to get varieties?  By all means have your friends go on ebay and buy the black madeira or Ponte tresa there. If they get one for under 100 bucks they are doing well. You ask why people aren't pissed like you? Because in the fig community we know what it takes to make things happen and also know what a deal we are getting for 7 bucks for some of these varieties.


You must be living in a fantasy world. $7 deal is only a deal when the blooming trees are delivered!. Of course $7 is not a great deal of money if you order one or two trees , not for 50 or 100 trees. And you are saying some of those hard to get varieties are great for $7, well by the time you get your PONTE TRESA it will be only worth $7 or even less (if he deliver that is). Some of these hard to get as you say varieties  are selling for $5 or even less in asian countries and I know its not the case here in the US but still cuttings grow on trees and by now most of the US collectors took the advantage of WillC, Figaholics and Wagner Farms sales. Now I don't think you really understand the meaning of friendship, I will certainly do anything for my buddies. I said some of them ain't bothered simply because they were smaller orders and we only came across this forum recently. Are you reading my previous posts??.. If we wanted a refund then we would've done it already and by the way James isin't refunding no more as per some posts here. And FYI I don't wish James success at all because it ain't gonna happen LOL.
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And do you know why i hurt your feelings?. Its because you and most of you lot know that I'm telling the truth and because you lot still hope for a miracle to happen and truth hurts hence I'm a TROLL!. Positive thinking is good to a certain extent but if you are blind to see the truth then you are telling yourself to believe the lie. Hard to get varieties are hard to get for a reason, you'll get it only by paying the price or by making good friends. If $7 trees are finally delivered in 2019 spring then its not a deal anymore, you just wasted 3 years of your life waiting for a tree LOL.
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You didn't hurt my feeling, I just have no clue why you are here. What people pay and choose to wait for is their business. In full disclosure I chose not to wait and have gone off and purchased from other sources. I asked for a refund and got it the next day.
Now since you have no orders and your friends don't really care about the issue you really have no business here so your only intention is to stir up stuff. That makes you a troll.

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I just have no clue why you are here..


Yawn! Keep thinking 
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Yawn! Keep thinking 
Either another fig grower or from the other forum.
either way, it is a clear sabotage.
I got my answer, thank you.


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Takes less than 24 hrs to have your money back


Today marks one week since I requested my refund.  No communication from James.  I'm assuming he's still completely overloaded and has little time to respond to email, but the "24 hour" refund time doesn't appear to be valid at the moment.

As I said earlier, I would post an update on my refund request, and this is it.

For the record, I also sent a "REFUND" private message on this forum 48 hours ago--also no communication yet.  My original email was also entitled "REFUND".  I still expect my refund, but I'll post another update in a few days either way.

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I had requested refund with "REFUND" subject email to James 2days ago.
I will post an update when I receive the refund.

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OT Post and I hope that I will be forgiven but....

I posted my return and received my refund request in near record time.... from the Internal Revenue Service.... have to say they have gotten very efficient in processing return requests and sending out refunds....

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Let's clear this up. You are a wealthy old man, right? Hopping around the globe. Married to a young Thai wife, whom you don't even live with, and doesn't travel with you? You live in different parts of the world, have separate bank accounts, but she knows she can come crying to you when she has problems.  Why isn't she on this messageboard?


She is not on the board because of the 4 languages she speaks, English rates at the bottom. Your subtle jibes insults, and rudeness she just would not understand.

"Young Thai wife" that was 20 years ago, both of us are getting older.

You seem critical of our life style....however personal satisfaction come best from your own accomplishments, or from the success of your spouse??

I have been very successful at times in my life, other time dead broke. When she started ordering figs last year, she worked and saved for 3 months to have the $4170.00 to order those figs.

When last week she asked for my help, I started a search found this thread, and came to understand that James Sperman is smoke and mirrors. He has yet to deliver his 1st fig cutting. Yet he continues to take money and make promises.

If James refunds my wife's money, then peace be upon him, and I will let the rest of you fight your own fights, and I will never post here again. If he chooses to believe his is safe because the web will shield him he might well be shocked.


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I have had significant problems with this seller.

I have contacted James over the course of 3 months looking for a refund due to his failure to deliver.  He had not responded back to 4 emails.  I called him at his private number which I found online through the Kansas Department of Agriculture.  He basically told me to F-off that he's too busy to respond to people.  he went on a rant that he has over 5,000 customers and he broke his toe.  He went on to explain to me that as of the day that I called, he had 485 emails that day alone, and it's bothersome to answer emails when he could be in the greenhouse working.

After further research I have found numerous people that have been waiting for months and have not been able to get a refund for both his fig tree's and the fish he sells.

He just provides excuse after excuse.  If he was at least NOT rude, his story would have been a little believable.  It just sounds like a business that he put too much money into and can't deliver.

Buyer beware!
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I am just a guy commenting on a thread on the internet. I don't think I am preventing any investigations by stating my opinion. There may be willful raud, but I cannot know that. You seem to suggest the only way to find out if it's fraud is to conclude that in advance--a logical fallacy.

Fraud and a Ponzi scheme are not necessarily the same. I mostly object to that term only because I don't find that it matches the circumstances. I never expected to profit or was misled about potential profits... I just expected to get my order or lose my money. If James never intended to ship my trees then that would be fraud. I don't think that was the intention but that's just my opinion. And my opinion is not stopping anyone from pursuing legal remedies.


You mean like paying $7 for a tree with a real market value of around $150?  We all have to be absolutely daft to think he hasn't done that several times over using OUR money at this point.  I believe it might have even you who said he's built up an nice inventory.  





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You mean like paying $7 for a tree with a real market value of around $150?  We all have to be absolutely daft to think he hasn't done that several times over using OUR money at this point.  I believe it might have even you who said he's built up an nice inventory.  


Well, yes, you are right that the price was below cost.  In some cases, way below, in other cases, not much.  I did mention that earlier in the thread when talking about Ponzi schemes, so I'm not ignorant of the comparison.  Accusing him of selling the trees at a higher cost instead of delivering the $7 trees is interesting, but is more like breach of contract than a Ponzi scheme.

It's an interesting situation.  The price is so low that some people think he's basically giving them away, so no one has any right to complain.  But if nothing is ever delivered, then that money will add up to a lot, even at $7/tree (btw the second round of trees was priced much higher, some at $20 and maybe more if I recall--though still low).

The easiest term for that, if it was intentional, would be a simple scam: he took money with no intention of delivering.  If it was unintentional, would be poor business management with a possible case of fraud as things spiraled down.  But for it to be a Ponzi scheme, you know, he'd have to be delivering things to encourage future investment.

The idea with a Ponzi scheme is to create trust by actually delivering to the early investors.  If anything, this is a reverse Ponzi scheme!

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Well, yes, you are right that the price was below cost.  In some cases, way below, in other cases, not much.  I did mention that earlier in the thread when talking about Ponzi schemes, so I'm not ignorant of the comparison.  Accusing him of selling the trees at a higher cost instead of delivering the $7 trees is interesting, but is more like breach of contract than a Ponzi scheme.

It's an interesting situation.  The price is so low that some people think he's basically giving them away, so no one has any right to complain.  But if nothing is ever delivered, then that money will add up to a lot, even at $7/tree (btw the second round of trees was priced much higher, some at $20 and maybe more if I recall--though still low).

The easiest term for that, if it was intentional, would be a simple scam: he took money with no intention of delivering.  If it was unintentional, would be poor business management with a possible case of fraud as things spiraled down.  But for it to be a Ponzi scheme, you know, he'd have to be delivering things to encourage future investment.

The idea with a Ponzi scheme is to create trust by actually delivering to the early investors.  If anything, this is a reverse Ponzi scheme!


Again, further obfuscation and revisionism of your definition.  By your parameters, you will concede that it is a Ponzi Scheme once we get confirmation of the first order being delivered.

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No, not really.  I did say earlier in the thread it is ironic that delivering the trees could make it closer to a Ponzi scheme.  But, I still maintain that the key component of encouraging future investment by creating the appearance of high rate of return, accomplished by satisfying initial investors, is not present here.  The fact that it's an order, not an investment, is also problematic for the definition, imo.

I think I've been real about the problems in this venture throughout the thread.  I've questioned how realistic it is; I've suggested James has already run out of money from the 2016 orders, meaning he's getting the money somewhere else (could be his pocket).  I've stated that if the money for the 2017 orders is being used to fund the initial trees that that borders on being a Ponzi scheme.

You, on the other hand, will apparently only be happy with one conclusion.  Something can be bad or wrong without it being a Ponzi scheme.  But you seem determined to call it that.  Ok, you call it what you like.  Discussion with you appears to be fruitless.


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To all the members here that has blasted James,cussed him,called him a crook,doing a Ponzi Scheme, use your common sense, on just one thing: What do you think he is going to do with  1,000's of Trees? Y'all Get Real!
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I have not seen a thousand trees,all I have seen is about 100 floating around in plastic kiddie pools and for all I know they could be brown turkeys.Has anyone got their order yet? Not me and I was one of the first to place one.
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To all the members here that has blasted James,cussed him,called him a crook,doing a Ponzi Scheme, use your common sense, on just one thing: What do you think he is going to do with  1,000's of Trees? Y'all Get Real!

That was actually pretty funny Frank

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I was thinking the same thing - both what would he do with the trees and are there as many as he tells us. I'm still very conflicted but highly annoyed in the lack of updates and not a single report of a delivery made.
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To all the members here that has blasted James,cussed him,called him a crook,doing a Ponzi Scheme, use your common sense, on just one thing: What do you think he is going to do with  1,000's of Trees? Y'all Get Real!



Yeah!!!!!

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What to do with all these trees?

Oh, I don't know, maybe sell them.  If I had all those trees and did not have any of my money in them, I could probably come up with some idea of how to turn them into money, especially if I were as smart as James.  If he sold them all as unknowns he would have some major cash, enough to go someplace warmer and start over again, there are certainly enough supporters to do it again.

I would give him $5 each for all of them, even un-tagged/labeled

Lets make a deal, LOL

Some famous person once said "I don't make this stuff up, I just write it down and repeat it"  Henry Cho, comedian, I think

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And what would you do with them? Spend all day every day working on them like he is? I could start a thousand more trees tomorrow but all I would have is an extra thousand trees I don't need and can't sell and no time for anything else. I'd rather keep my trees intact and enjoy an earlier harvest.
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No, not really.  I did say earlier in the thread it is ironic that delivering the trees could make it closer to a Ponzi scheme.  But, I still maintain that the key component of encouraging future investment by creating the appearance of high rate of return, accomplished by satisfying initial investors, is not present here.  The fact that it's an order, not an investment, is also problematic for the definition, imo.

I think I've been real about the problems in this venture throughout the thread.  I've questioned how realistic it is; I've suggested James has already run out of money from the 2016 orders, meaning he's getting the money somewhere else (could be his pocket).  I've stated that if the money for the 2017 orders is being used to fund the initial trees that that borders on being a Ponzi scheme.

You, on the other hand, will apparently only be happy with one conclusion.  Something can be bad or wrong without it being a Ponzi scheme.  But you seem determined to call it that.  Ok, you call it what you like.  Discussion with you appears to be fruitless.




Actually, my initial post merely said this is looking more and more like a Ponzi Scheme.  Nothing definitive about that at all.  The structure is there for all to see, however.  [We're not profiting...he hasn't delivered yet, therefore... he hasn't benefited as an operator...]  I have found your false deductions really amusing.  :)

But, I still maintain that the key component of encouraging future investment by creating the appearance of high rate of return, accomplished by satisfying initial investors, is not present here.

Like keeping up the advertisement of the $7 tree?  Like continuing to take orders??  Like update pictures showing us close ups of labeled trees of the most sought after varieties with market values well over $200 each, enticing those of us deep in Fig Fever with the prospect of the $7 Black Madeira?    

What you and several others here fail at are:

1) Recognizing that an asset need not simply be in the form of currency.
2) Connecting painfully obvious, right in front of your face, committed right in the open, dots.
3) Forgetting the basics (the parameters of the initial post).

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Does anyone know how hot a 7 ft hoop tunnel or rows and rows of them get when the heat and humidity arrive all of a sudden and before you have the opportunity to tear down the poly? Then again, if you can tear down the poly quickly enough all your thousands of young trees grown in these 7ft hoop tunnels should do just fine in the 90 degree sun although possibly without benefit of prior hardening off.... Then again, perhaps tearing off the poly and replacing it quickly with 40% shade cloth before the plants get severely sunburned can be done very quickly and efficiently when you have the shade cloth on hand and ready to go and sufficient manpower to erect same...

I'm just thinking out loud and hope he is doing a better job of managing his hoop tunnels loaded with thousands of new plants waiting to be shipped than I am doing with my tiny 24x14x7 hoop house loaded with just my small inventory of rooted cuttings and mother plants... My plants got sunburned these last few weeks and my little hoop tunnel has windows and 3 fans blasting when the temp hits 75...

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Actually, my initial post merely said this is looking more and more like a Ponzi Scheme


So you aren't sure?

Quote:
2) Connecting painfully obvious, right in front of your face, committed right in the open, dots.


But it's obvious?

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I have contacted James over the course of 3 months looking for a refund due to his failure to deliver. He had not responded back to 4 emails. I called him at his private number which I found online through the Kansas Department of Agriculture. He basically told me to F-off that he's too busy to respond to people. he went on a rant that he has over 5,000 customers and he broke his toe. He went on to explain to me that as of the day that I called, he had 485 emails that day alone, and it's bothersome to answer emails when he could be in the greenhouse working.

The guy is rude, and is either a poor business man or a scammer. Either way I don't want to do business with him and want my money back.
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To all the members here that has blasted James,cussed him,called him a crook,doing a Ponzi Scheme, use your common sense, on just one thing: What do you think he is going to do with  1,000's of Trees? Y'all Get Real!


Everything we love about Grumpy Cat in one post. Cheerleading for James and plenty of exclamation points!!!!!!

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Hmmm... even if he did have 1,000 trees which just doesn't look like that in his pictures, But let's say 1,000 trees. According to James he has 5,000 customers. Assuming each customer only bought 1 tree (which I paid for 3), the math comes to 4,000 customers being screwed.

Let's just say $7 a tree is all profit, that's $7,000. Take a guess at his infrastructure cost -- material to build the greenhouses, pots, proper soil, electricity, permits, and mortgage or rent??? What about his living expenses such as food, utilities, car, etc.?!?

If you think you're getting your trees, and I really hope you do, I think you need to consider waiting for some time and risk losing the ability to dispute the charge with PayPal and/or your credit card company.

Just count the number of people who post, add on a conservative additional number that don't post, and then multiply that by what, 2 trees per customer? Then go look at his greenhouse and property pictures and see if he has enough trees. You can see his address in Google maps.

Sorry folks. Maybe he sends out 10% of his orders. At least you may get a post or two about happy customers.
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The cheerleaders are hoping they get theirs first so they can crow about it. Bluffing with a pair of 7's at this point.
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Everything we love about Grumpy Cat in one post. Cheerleading for James and plenty of exclamation points!!!!!!


Why in the hell do you make Fun of me ever time I make a post? Do you have a problem with me? If so, call me up and we will see if we can work it out, if not, I can meet you somewhere! I am getting tried of this BS! I have been a member here for 4 years and never had no problems with no member here!

Frank from Huntsville, Alabama

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Behind the lunchroom after P.E. I'm guessing?

Eric from Alabaster

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Frank, it is classic troll behavior, attack and ridicule those who don't rubber stamp what the troll says. Don't let them bait you. Not worth even a slight rise in blood pressure.

Just be amused by all the speculation and fuzzy math over how many trees there are and how many customers there are and how it's just not possible that even "x" number of people will get their orders.

Unfortunately only James knows for sure. Sad situation to be in for many people.

Just never ceases to amaze me how vehement so many are over some trees and some money.

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Not to pee on your parade kyfig, but Frank is the "vehement" one and I don't have skin in the game as I've said before. I've covered my beef with the cat weeks ago in a PM. He made one of his grumpy remarks to something I said in jest. It didn't even involve him, but he interjected and took it personally.
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So you aren't sure?



But it's obvious?


My refreshing you of my initial post was in direct response to this:

You, on the other hand, will apparently only be happy with one conclusion.  Something can be bad or wrong without it being a Ponzi scheme.  But you seem determined to call it that.  Ok, you call it what you like.  Discussion with you appears to be fruitless.

I'm determined, not by calling it a Ponzi Scheme, but instead, determined to understand your circular logic for eliminating it.  Not at all fruitless.  It's interesting!

Don't you find it funny how certain people here have this made for TV, fat cat Wall Street Bernie Madoff type idea of what a Ponzi Scheme is and how far James is from that caricature, therefore, it couldn't possibly be that.  lol 

Now, would you actually like to address the "key component of encouraging future investment by creating the appearance of high rate of return."  I listed quite a few relevant points fitting within your "key component."  




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She is not on the board because of the 4 languages she speaks, English rates at the bottom. Your subtle jibes insults, and rudeness she just would not understand.

"Young Thai wife" that was 20 years ago, both of us are getting older.

You seem critical of our life style....however personal satisfaction come best from your own accomplishments, or from the success of your spouse??

I have been very successful at times in my life, other time dead broke. When she started ordering figs last year, she worked and saved for 3 months to have the $4170.00 to order those figs.

When last week she asked for my help, I started a search found this thread, and came to understand that James Sperman is smoke and mirrors. He has yet to deliver his 1st fig cutting. Yet he continues to take money and make promises.

If James refunds my wife's money, then peace be upon him, and I will let the rest of you fight your own fights, and I will never post here again. If he chooses to believe his is safe because the web will shield him he might well be shocked.





Wow, if true, that would change my mind. Over 4K invested in this...I still hope James delivers, but my confidence has been shaken.

It would be very foolish (or desperate) to defraud so many people, corporate veils can be lifted (esp. Small biz. With sole proprieter). He could loose everything...

Again, if true, you did the right thing by calling. How many figs did your soul mate order? What was her intent with so many trees? (Resale? Nursery?) Did you get the 7 dollar tree offer? Or was this a more recent order?

Forgive me for asking, its just a very large figure. IF true, what business would take on such a large order W/O having the ability to satisfy it reasonably close to expectations?

If true, it would signal something sinister. Grant calls it "greed", but IF true, it is much worse...


I personaly purchased 5 trees, on the 7 dollar offer, so about 50 U.S.D. give or take...

James let me change my order, based onwhat he had plenty of, and to take off what I aquired already. I had bought really fresh and nice cuttings from him before, so I felt confident in my initial tree purchase...


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Let it go? Hell no! We want our trees. ;)

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Sure, I will address that bit.  You didn't quote the whole sentence, leaving off the part "accomplished by satisfying initial investors..."  I realize he has posted pics, etc. to try to keep people appeased, so you might say that qualifies.  But at the same time, he's over 1 year late which is pissing a lot of people off.  That's not a very good way to satisfy initial investors.  The value of a rare fig tree drops quite a bit each year, as it starts to spread.  And to fig collectors, a year of lost progress can be worth as much as the tree.  This is why a tree that cost $400 last year might go for $50 this year.

Anyway, it's not like I don't see the parallels.  I listed many myself earlier in the thread.  It does seem like pretty poor Ponzi execution though to be over a year late for people who value growing seasons as much as figs.  For example, the $20 Ponte Tresa I didn't get from James was worth more to me from someone else because I could get it for this season.

He took a bunch of orders and didn't deliver yet (and maybe never).  There's no need to invoke Ponzi to confront the problems with that.

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Sure, I will address that bit.  You didn't quote the whole sentence, leaving off the part "accomplished by satisfying initial investors..."  I realize he has posted pics, etc. to try to keep people appeased, so you might say that qualifies.  But at the same time, he's over 1 year late which is pissing a lot of people off.  That's not a very good way to satisfy initial investors.  The value of a rare fig tree drops quite a bit each year, as it starts to spread.  And to fig collectors, a year of lost progress can be worth as much as the tree.  This is why a tree that cost $400 last year might go for $50 this year.

Anyway, it's not like I don't see the parallels.  I listed many myself earlier in the thread.  It does seem like pretty poor Ponzi execution though to be over a year late for people who value growing seasons as much as figs.  For example, the $20 Ponte Tresa I didn't get from James was worth more to me from someone else because I could get it for this season.

He took a bunch of orders and didn't deliver yet (and maybe never).  There's no need to invoke Ponzi to confront the problems with that.


Again, you're drifting away from the basic structure and your own point in order to invalidate.

That's not a very good way to satisfy initial investors.  

This is about the "key component of encouraging future investment by creating the appearance of high rate of return."

Stay on point.  You can't flip flop between initial and future investors simply to drive your circular logic.   



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The crazy prices and sudden drops are driven in part by:

Periods of high demand: Bad winters, new markets emerging, want list copycats, and even the high prices themselves spur demand from buyers who see it as a business investment. As a matter of fact I remember seeing an ad not long ago that had no real information about the variety other than it would be in high demand for a long time, which is something that seller cannot even control anyway. 

Low supply: With sellers fighting to be near the top of the pyramid (uh-oh) on varieties that have been identified by members of the community (without conflicts of interest and bias, lets hope) as superior AND not readily available, then it takes away the opportunity for some of the more "generous" members you read about to get their hands on it and work their magic.

New information: As varieties get into the hands of more experienced growers the beans get spilled- splitting, shy bearing, synonyms, unflattering photos, realistic comparisons, etc. 
Good luck finding a variety that works well in all climates, is attractive, healthy, tasty and not already spread all over the place.

Low demand: Member turnover has increased due to a whole bunch of things: animosity, conflict, reality setting in, competition, distrust, and so on. Average growers cannot justify the prices sellers pay, but they are the ones which lower (on the pyramid) level sellers rely on in order to recover their investments and turn a profit. Wishlists are also a factor here, while the demand is there some people know they can pay nothing at all if they brown nose the right person or support them in a fight or something. 

High supply: In the event demand increases or supply decreases and prices raise as a result there are now more sellers waiting to jump in quick and capitalize resulting in a price drop, and more availability throughout the year. 

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Get a clue lewi. I was talking about people attacking each other for trivial reasons. Not about getting trees or not getting trees.
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Does anyone have any idea how many trees are on order?  How many of you would be interested in starting legal action?  $7 per tree + $3.50 per tree for legal action would mean that you would still only have $10.50 per tree invested, a great buy if the trees exist.  I would bet that there is an Attorney in James' county that would start the proceedings.

Has anyone even considered legal action?, probably not, because of the small amount of money invested by individual buyers.  Most credit card thefts result in less than $2000 because thieves know the banks won't pursue recovery on that small amount due to legal costs.

MY FINAL POST TO THIS THREAD!

Jon, this needs to end!!

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i am one of the people who found james' site and submitted and order before being fully aware of the situation. I then found this thread, asked about his reliability and decided to submit another order for cuttings.

James' last update was telling us about his toe. He mentioned that he could really only water the plants and regulate the vents and the shipping would be delayed by a week or two. That was six weeks ago.

I have 2 questions. If he couldn't get much work done in the greenhouses, why not use this forced downtime from the injury to catch-up on emails? Second question, broken toes typically take 4-6 weeks to heal, is he back up to speed now? And if so, why has shipping not started?

After this last delay and seeing even faithful supporters doubting him, I decided to request a refund. I have send 4 emails over the past 3 weeks requesting a refund with no response. I feel for him, I do. But the silence is what is causing all the frustration. It would literally take a few minutes to just post something anything every few days.
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i am one of the people who found james' site and submitted and order before being fully aware of the situation. I then found this thread, asked about his reliability and decided to submit another order for cuttings.

James' last update was telling us about his toe. He mentioned that he could really only water the plants and regulate the vents and the shipping would be delayed by a week or two. That was six weeks ago.

I have 2 questions. If he couldn't get much work done in the greenhouses, why not use this forced downtime from the injury to catch-up on emails? Second question, broken toes typically take 4-6 weeks to heal, is he back up to speed now? And if so, why has shipping not started?

After this last delay and seeing even faithful supporters doubting him, I decided to request a refund. I have send 4 emails over the past 3 weeks requesting a refund with no response. I feel for him, I do. But the silence is what is causing all the frustration. It would literally take a few minutes to just post something anything every few days.


Submit a complaint to PayPay to get your money back, protect others, and to shut James down.
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Over 6 months since I placed my order, no trees have arrived. 7 weeks ago sent e-mails - to date, no answers. 10 days since request for refund - to date, no refund. Sent another request for as directed above by sending private message. Will update if anything happens.
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Wow, if true, that would change my mind. Over 4K invested in this...I still hope James delivers, but my confidence has been shaken. It would be very foolish (or desperate) to defraud so many people, corporate veils can be lifted (esp. Small biz. With sole proprieter). He could loose everything... Again, if true, you did the right thing by calling. How many figs did your soul mate order? What was her intent with so many trees? (Resale? Nursery?) Did you get the 7 dollar tree offer? Or was this a more recent order? Forgive me for asking, its just a very large figure. IF true, what business would take on such a large order W/O having the ability to satisfy it reasonably close to expectations? If true, it would signal something sinister. Grant calls it "greed", but IF true, it is much worse... I personaly purchased 5 trees, on the 7 dollar offer, so about 50 U.S.D. give or take... James let me change my order, based onwhat he had plenty of, and to take off what I aquired already. I had bought really fresh and nice cuttings from him before, so I felt confident in my initial tree purchase...


To specifically answer your questions:

James will most likely BK if I go to court and get a judgment. (After he has rat-holed as much money as he can)

Why did my wife spend so much money?? (Don't wives always?) She bought 1 or more of every variety he offered. Yes she had some $7 trees, but a lot of rooted plants as well.

She has a farm in Thailand, wanted to try and grow them there, see what worked and sell cutting locally.

A member I met on this board talked with James in the past week. James, was "nasty" and belligerent, complaining about receiving almost 500 emails a day. Stated he had 5000 customers world wide..He did not have time to deal with all the emails when he could be in the nursery working.

 What does the tell me?? Probably he has taken in over $1,000.000 yet does not have a staff to do normal business functions? Look on the Green Fin web site under help wanted....he is looking for a part time worker to help with his fish.

James is either monumentally stupid, or it is a great scheme to defraud the world and go and hide.....

If you have an alternate conclusion, post it. For me not being an emotional person, logic says my latter conclusion is correct.

After I return from my trip next wee, if I do not have a refund, I will start my action to put an end to this. When it is over I will explain what I did,


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I placed my order over 6 months ago, so Pay Pal can't help. I e-mailed with questions 6 weeks ago, to date no answers. Requested a refund 10 days ago, to date no refund. I requested a refund through private message as advised above. Will update when a refund comes through.
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