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$7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties

Please get a person with some knowledge to explain to you what it takes to prove these things under federal law since you want to go fed, most of all get them to explain "knowingly and willfully" as you seem not to be able to comprehend the term. Those three words are used to qualify all verbiage below them by basically defining "intent". 

Who on this post has stated they intend to lie on a complaint? Did I miss that somewhere? Or do you have a reason to imply all these people are going to lie on their complaint? Please let us know which it is, inquiring minds would like to know. It seems you are accusing a forum member of lying to me. Am I wrong? 

Filing a valid complaint has zero to do with any of these continuing attempts at intimidation. It is a right, not a privilege. You cannot be charged in any way for filing a valid complaint.

Interestingly a person can be charged for denying people their civil rights through intentionally intimidating them....funny how the law works isn't it? It has always been there to protect the innocent not the guilty.

You have nothing to fear from filing a complaint.

I wish all states had Civics as a required subject, it is amazing to learn how the Justice system works especially the basic tenets of law since we have the U.S. Constitution, Fifth Amendment (“Nor shall any persons be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law”). We have a legal right to demand due process to recover property. Why would some people imply you will break the law in doing so? I am soooo confused by this attitude. 

Why will you not answer the question, why are you trying to protect him?

If this is what appears to be a rip off, scam, deception, fraud or what ever term may be applied it seems to me it is time for law enforcement to get involved. But strangely not to you........... 

What is your motive in this? You don't by any chance sell cuttings do you?

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Excuse me, sir, click on the second link and read what it says. Are you saying the FBI is making a hollow threat?


You are making assumptions or accusations that people are lying, I seriously doubt anyone is lying about James W Sperman not delivering figs or cuttings ordered from his website under his full control.

The only one making threats is you.

JMRTSUS-You still have not provided a credible source for "malicious intent", we have nothing to talk about, you and I.

OK Lewi, your friend nunuorig said he ordered trees 2 years ago.


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You could provide some evidence to support your claim. But you didn't, why?

From the IC3 website:



This thread has plenty of false information. And people certainly do have malicious intent.


By saying, people with "malicious intent" are bent on filing "false information"; you are saying that Bobkelly1 and others are lying.

And now, you have launched into a useless tirade of circular logic. You deflected my questions...

So I ask again, what relationship, kinship, or association do you have with James W Sperman, and/or figcuttings.com?


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OK Lewi, your friend nunuorig said he ordered trees 2 years ago.





IT FEELS LIKE IT! when you order in 2015, and it's now 2017, it feels longer!

That is not malicious intent, I am sure he will give accurate dates to our esteemed F.B.I.

You don't need to move the goalpost, Lewi. As to your other questions i decline to answer, since we are currently at odds it seems.

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OK Lewi, your friend nunuorig said he ordered trees 2 years ago.


No I didn't.  I ordered 3 tree's March 9.

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2. It's been over 2 years, and the offer was for delivery within this growing cycle. He should have returned the money instead of telling me to F-off.


What is that? 

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I keep seeing false claims, the only false claims have been made by James. If I can get arrested for filing a report when I was ripped off, I'm leaving this country. A government that punishes the victim?  Sounds like a very bad place to live.

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What is that?


Where do you see me saying I purchased the tree's 2 years ago??  That is a reply to how long it's been people have been waiting for their tree's.

Why are you so argumentative looking for any glimpse to call people out??  Are you that so removed from people, you need to find anyway to make yourself feel better?  Do you really believe if you flight tooth and nail for your point, anyone is going to recognize you as intelligent?  You think James is going to send you your tree's above other people?  You just continue to alienate yourself from the community with your far out comments and reaching, coming off desperate.

Just Chill Hoosier.  I appreciate your compassion, but take a pause and look at people's complaints at face value.

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1. I found James website through a Google search, which looks like a regular store front with no mention of special offer to members.

2. It's been over 2 years, and the offer was for delivery within this growing cycle. He should have returned the money instead of telling me to F-off.


OK, line #2 looks like a poorly worded sentance...

Maybe the first part is refering to the original offer of 7 dollar trees (from 2015, actually about 1 year four monthes ago) not being delivered. The second part MUST be refering to his order, because he mentions "this growing cycle".

So long as he can prove when he bought trees, and that they were not delivered by the agreed upon date, he has a case. BUT he should thank you (hoosierBANANA) for making sure he does not make that calender error when he does file with the nations highest law enforcement agency.



Drew, try harder to see the finer points of my argument. Unless you provide false information or omit important information you have nothing to worry about. But if someone files a complaint and says "people have been waiting 2 years" and they know full well that is impossible, haven't they opened themselves up? Can't you see that this guy is here for revenge and doesn't care how many people he takes down along with James?

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Drew, try harder to see the finer points of my argument. Unless you provide false information or omit important information you have nothing to worry about. But if someone files a complaint and says "people have been waiting 2 years" and they know full well that is impossible, haven't they opened themselves up? Can't you see that this guy is here for revenge and doesn't care how many people he takes down along with James?


I filed a complaint of my own situation. No-one else's, and provided the receipt.

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Where do you see me saying I purchased the tree's 2 years ago??  That is a reply to how long it's been people have been waiting for their tree's.

Why are you so argumentative looking for any glimpse to call people out??  Are you that so removed from people, you need to find anyway to make yourself feel better?  Do you really believe if you flight tooth and nail for your point, anyone is going to recognize you as intelligent?  You think James is going to send you your tree's above other people?  You just continue to alienate yourself from the community with your far out comments and reaching, coming off desperate.

Just Chill Hoosier.  I appreciate your compassion, but take a pause and look at people's complaints at face value.



Aha! Thought so...well you saw 2015 and made a small error. It sure seems like longer though.

I dont get upset at people like Frank Allen, or my friend Siveradocanman, they just want what they paid for! Their was a few warnings in the begining that many of us mistook for competition bad mouthing James.

JAMES PULLED THE PLUG. James used his pinkey toe as an excuse, James told us he could make 1500 trees of hard to root Black Madera from around 45 small trees (if he even has that many). James allegedly took an order for over 4000 dollars of fig trees from just one foriegn customer when he could not even fill orders for Forum Members.

James has no Honor.

No matter how this turns out I can hold my head up. If you guys want to invite a dishonest and vindictive person into the community whose only goal seems to be to control people, just because they serve your cause then please don't speak of honor.

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Drew, try harder to see the finer points of my argument. Unless you provide false information or omit important information you have nothing to worry about. But if someone files a complaint and says "people have been waiting 2 years" and they know full well that is impossible, haven't they opened themselves up? Can't you see that this guy is here for revenge and doesn't care how many people he takes down along with James?


YOU WERE ALREADY TAKEN (down).

IT will be the lady with the 4000 USD + complaint that will spur action, maybe if ENOUGH complaints add up to some large amount, that may also trigger action on the behalf of those who lost smaller amounts of money.

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No matter how this turns out I can hold my head up. If you guys want to invite a dishonest and vindictive person into the community whose only goal seems to be to control people, just because they serve your cause then please don't speak of honor.


I dont remember inviting you. ;)

Get James W Sperman to deliver the proper cultivars, packaged to arrive in good shape, to everyone he took money from...and we will reconcider your application to our country club.

HONOR IS DOING WHAT YOU SAY ( Doing more than you say is optional).

The guy whose wife wants her money back has a plan, and he's not trying to get anyone to file criminal complaints or peppering the thread with misinformation, he seems much more genuine and a real cause for concern. I hope things work out for everybody, how's that sound? If James does get shut down what happens to the tree's you guys ever think of that?

Maybe I just want to snipe you's newbies trees though ;) this is too fun.

I fail to understand anyone that advocates ripping people off....seems to define insanity to me. This thread reminds me of many Hearings I did in Corrections and listened to one gang banger defending another in any way they could dream up without truth, reason or logic. They felt they were obligated to back their own. Do we have people that have personal reasons to try to stop legal complaints? I sure can't figure out why, can anyone else?
 
My training mentor often said "you can teach the ignorant, but not the stupid."  As I get older I understand that statement more each day. File your complaints folks...........the wall has a dent in it and my head hurts.....out of this train wreck.

Keep on Figgin'

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HONOR IS DOING WHAT YOU SAY ( Doing more than you say is optional). 


OK, should I expect my written apology in the mail then? You did not rise to the challenge of showing proof that i have defended James. Hey was that what those questions were about? You trickster ;)

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The guy whose wife wants her money back has a plan, and he's not trying to get anyone to file criminal complaints or peppering the thread with misinformation, he seems much more genuine and a real cause for concern. I hope things work out for everybody, how's that sound? If James does get shut down what happens to the tree's you guys ever think of that?

Maybe I just want to snipe you's newbies trees though ;) this is too fun.


If James is legit, he won't get taken down and you and many other people will get their trees. If he is NOT legit, then you and many others will NOT get their trees, and we would have stopped a crook from ripping other people off.

If I start seeing posts with a majority people getting their trees (not just a few friends of his), my view will change and I will offer a public apology. If I should get my trees, I will post as such, update my complaint to law enforcement noting I received delivery, and still post a public apology.

And yes, I am new to figs, and I'm hooked. I just ordered black Madeira cuttings and I-285's off eBay. :) I hope I can get them to root like my black mission.

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OK, should I expect my written apology in the mail then? You did not rise to the challenge of showing proof that i have defended James. Hey was that what those questions were about? You trickster ;)


I quoted you attacking victims of James W Sperman, and trying to scare them into not reporting it to the proper authorities...Using straw man legal arguments.

You never answered IF YOU HAVE HAD ANY TIES TO JAMES W. SPERMAN?

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OK next time an order from Amazon is late, I will call the FBI.  Sound right?


You make silly analogies/ arguments that dont fit the situation, in order to keep the heat off James W Sperman. THAT to me is a defense of James W Sperman.

What is the nature of your relationship with James W Sperman?

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