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$7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties

Hey Frank, it's Frank from Alabama, I agree with you! It's hot as haties, here in Bama! I am sure NOT in a hurry to receive my little trees!

Sounds like the time has come, sure hope to see "the" email in the next few days.

Wow! Good job

Thanks for the great offer! My order is in. Since I haven't had much luck with rooting cuttings on my own, your generous offer solves my problem.

oops  I almost  forgot I orded  4 ? or  5 trees last year  Ha   I think it was 4  .. no hurry

Hello. Are you planning to offer thiss again this winter?

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Hello. Are you planning to offer thiss again this winter?


Hey Denise, I am not the Guy who's doing this but he does have a 20017 selection here:

Cut and Paste this site:    http://www.figcuttings.com/p/custom-fig-tree-orders.html

Hope this helps! ; )

Anyone had any contact with James recently about the trees?

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Anyone had any contact with James recently about the trees?


Good question!!

Anyone actually receive an email about shipping or receive any trees???

Not yet.

I've been following this since it was initially posted with curiosity. It seemed unlikely greenfin would be able to meet so many orders for such rare varieties. Now, 9 months later no one has received a thing and it seems greenfin is no longer answering emails or messages.

Sorry to say, but I think everyone bought into a Ponzi scheme but no one is getting a thing. He got his greenhouse heated for the winter and that's all. I'd demand my money back if I tried to buy anything. Besides, he bought cuttings on eBay to grow out without proving they are true to type (I know because he bought from me). One can hope all the sellers were honest, but we all know mistakes happen.

If you're thinking of buying for 2017, don't. He hasn't come through for spring of 2016! Take your money elsewhere. I can't believe the moderator has let this scam stay active for so long.

So what he is going to do with all this trees he has in his greenhouse? 

NOBODY should be making comments unless they have proof!! Several of us have dealt with James before with his cuttings! Unless you can prove what you are saying, it's best not to say anything that could ruin a person's reputation!

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It is not exactly true that greenfin is not answering emails. I contacted him with my concerns about the lack of updates and questioned the status of the project. This is an excerpt from his reply of September 2nd (I would not feel comfortable quoting from his email and posting here but because he did not post his update as he indicated and because of the amount of $ involved I think it is appropriate)...


"I've started shipping out some of the orders, but it's just a slow trickle. The hangup is that there are about a dozen varieties that have lagged behind, at first because of slow growth, but also because of difficult rooting which caused a lot (over half?) of them to fail. For example, whereas my propagation success rates for most varieties has been around 80-90%, my success rate with turning cuttings of the troublemakers like Black Madeira/I-258/Figo Preto/Maltese Beauty/Native de Argentile/etc into bonafide trees has been around 50% at best. That means I'm going to have to do another prune/root/grow cycle to further multiply the stock, which I think is going to add another 6-8 weeks.

I am very, very sorry about being so late! I feel horrible about these delays, they put my stomach in knots. I'm planning on doing updates on f4f tonight, and am absolutely dreading it. I hate letting people down like this.

The good news is that the project is still progressing and everyone will still get their trees, even if I have to heat all my greenhouses to keep them growing into the winter"

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I still have my concerns and he did not respond yet to my follow up question where I asked point blank if he can deliver the March 2017 trees on time. I have been concerned about putting in any more orders for myself before I see some orders fulfilled. I have not been able to understand how he can sell cuttings this winter of all the varieties he indicates he is having difficulty propagating and delivering that are past due (late August was the last update for the 2016 trees but now it looks like ???).
Anyway, it is not true that he is not responding to email and just because I do not understand his process does not mean that he is involved in anything but a well intentioned project that has encountered difficulties... I do have concerns but feel it is a little early to storm the castle.

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NOBODY should be making comments unless they have proof!! Several of us have dealt with James before with his cuttings! Unless you can prove what you are saying, it's best not to say anything that could ruin a person's reputation!


Exactly.

I haven't heard anything yet

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Originally Posted by Frankallen
NOBODY should be making comments unless they have proof!! Several of us have dealt with James before with his cuttings! Unless you can prove what you are saying, it's best not to say anything that could ruin a person's reputation!


No proof that he is mailing trees, either. Who are these people who he mailed to?

I do hope he comes through, but it is highly suspicious. The fact that he is pre-ordering for 2017 when he hasn't filled 2016 orders is insanity.

A fig in the hand is worth more than hypothetical plant not even being grown yet.

It looks like his plan to pre-sell trees before he even had the cuttings was a poor plan.  I hope it works out for the people who have paid all this money up front.

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Originally Posted by Frankallen
NOBODY should be making comments unless they have proof!! Several of us have dealt with James before with his cuttings! Unless you can prove what you are saying, it's best not to say anything that could ruin a person's reputation!


I would agree if you said "accusations" instead of "comments."  Certainly, even by his own statements, he was overly optimistic as to what he could accomplish.  He didn't take into account low success rates for rare varieties.  The comment that he was buying on ebay this year to propagate for cuttings sold this year is interesting, as well.  If any of those cuttings are the wrong variety, he won't know until after he's shipped trees.  This basically means we are buying trees from other sellers by proxy (albeit once removed), who we might not have otherwise trusted (since we don't know who they are, we can't say).

I don't think this is a deliberate scam, but I also think $7 was not realistic, especially for varieties that regularly sell for $50-$200 on ebay.  How can he possibly afford to buy a $50 tree on ebay and sell small trees for $7?  He'd have to get 7 successes out of a first year tree, which for an i-258 could be quite difficult (i-258 trees typically costing much more that $50 from reliable sellers).

I wish him luck--but I'm feeling that some refunds are going to be in order, and I'm not certain any of that seed capital is still available--unless you count money from 2017.

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I would agree if you said "accusations" instead of "comments."  Certainly, even by his own statements, he was overly optimistic as to what he could accomplish.  He didn't take into account low success rates for rare varieties.  The comment that he was buying on ebay this year to propagate for cuttings sold this year is interesting, as well.  If any of those cuttings are the wrong variety, he won't know until after he's shipped trees.  This basically means we are buying trees from other sellers by proxy (albeit once removed), who we might not have otherwise trusted (since we don't know who they are, we can't say).

I don't think this is a deliberate scam, but I also think $7 was not realistic, especially for varieties that regularly sell for $50-$200 on ebay.  How can he possibly afford to buy a $50 tree on ebay and sell small trees for $7?  He'd have to get 7 successes out of a first year tree, which for an i-258 could be quite difficult (i-258 trees typically costing much more that $50 from reliable sellers).

I wish him luck--but I'm feeling that some refunds are going to be in order, and I'm not certain any of that seed capital is still available--unless you count money from 2017.


Can you not read?? People are mentioning Ponzi Scheme and telling people to stay away from him!!!Comments are the same as accusations! You must have thought the prices were nice too and now you are condemning them because the price was too cheap! Why don't you ask for a refund and quit acting like immature, by degrading someone, when you don't even know the situation!! He will be on here tonite (according to the message above) then you can really let him have it!

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No proof that he is mailing trees, either. Who are these people who he mailed to? I do hope he comes through, but it is highly suspicious. The fact that he is pre-ordering for 2017 when he hasn't filled 2016 orders is insanity. A fig in the hand is worth more than hypothetical plant not even being grown yet.


Who in the Hell are you? You have posted one comment and then you try to tear down a person's reputation! Did  you order any trees? If  not, you need to  stay out of this you Idiot! You have been a member here 5 hours!

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Who in the Hell are you? You have posted one comment and then you try to tear down a person's reputation! Did  you order any trees? If  not, you need to  stay out of this you Idiot! You have been a member here 5 hours!


Manners, please. I have pointed out facts and drawn a conclusion based on the evidence in front of me. I assumed that $7 for rare trees was a pipe dream. Thus far there is no evidence to the contrary.

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Manners, please. I have pointed out facts and drawn a conclusion based on the evidence in front of me. I assumed that $7 for rare trees was a pipe dream. Thus far there is no evidence to the contrary.


Oh now you have 3 comments! Did you order any trees! 

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Originally Posted by Frankallen


Can you not read?? People are mentioning Ponzi Scheme and telling people to stay away from him!!!Comments are the same as accusations! You must have thought the prices were nice too and now you are condemning them because the price was too cheap! Why don't you ask for a refund and quit acting like immature, by degrading someone, when you don't even know the situation!! He will be on here tonite (according to the message above) then you can really let him have it!


I saw the comment about Ponzi schemes.  I did not endorse that comment.  I was just saying, everyone has a right to comment, especially after the delivery date has slipped multiple times.  As far as evidence goes, thus far there is no evidence that a single tree has shipped.  That's not good.

I don't know why you are so angry.  I feel like my comment was fair and politely delivered.  I have mostly kept quiet since I ordered the trees and have been patiently waiting for what I ordered.  I'll survive if I lose all my money--I'm not really stressing.

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You must have thought the prices were nice too and now you are condemning them because the price was too cheap


I'm not condemning the low price.  Heck, I thought it was too good to be true from the beginning, but I can't pass up a deal (for < $100, I can afford to lose my gamble).  I was just saying, maybe that price really was too good to be true.  And at this point, empirically, what was promised has not been delivered.  That is indisputable.  I only hope for the sake of other buyers (and Greenfin!) that it is only the schedule that has been compromised.

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Why don't you ask for a refund and quit acting like immature, by degrading someone, when you don't even know the situation!!


It's not immature to hold people accountable for what they promise.  I did not degrade anyone (unlike you, just now). Why should people who invested in this deal be silenced if they are unhappy? 


This kind of thread is bound to happen when the date has passed and there's nary a word. It will become an echo chamber.  Let's try to keep it civilized!

"The goal of this Forum is to provide a fun and friendly arena for the exchange of ideas and plant materials by connecting people to one another."
 
The above statement from the Forum decorum section is why I am a member of this forum.  I want to learn more about figs by sharing with other people who love figs.  Personally, I applaud James for undertaking such a big project.  I wonder how of us on this forum would have the energy, drive and entrepreneurial skills to handle something like this.  It seems we should all be "rooting" for James to be successful not critiquing him.  Also, I have a commercial peach orchard and there are times the commercial nurseries will have to modify or reduce an order due to unforseen circumstances.  I have ordered trees for 16 and 17 so I have skin in the game.  I think the spirit of this forum is to give members the benefit until proven otherwise.  Just my 2 cents

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