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$7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties

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Originally Posted by Frankallen


Who in the Hell are you? You have posted one comment and then you try to tear down a person's reputation! Did  you order any trees? If  not, you need to  stay out of this you Idiot! You have been a member here 5 hours!


I'm sure he is a forum member afraid to use his real screen name. That's a shame.

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Originally Posted by Nickdef


I'm sure he is a forum member afraid to use his real screen name. That's a shame.



I believe you are right and sounds like it could be someone who is a competitor!

No he is not a competitor, I figured who he is...just Probably somebody who invested a lot of capital...
Mark

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Originally Posted by Frankallen
I believe you are right and sounds like it could be someone who is a competitor!


I suppose you have some proof for that, Frank?

I've been silent here about this although many people have asked my thoughts about this.  This is my only post on the matter under any ID, FYI.

I wish everyone the best, seriously.  I don't mind competition one bit.

Regardless of the back and forth, some good points were made and now I am more concerned than ever.  What we really need is for James to make a 100% honest post about where he is the process, and when things are going to actually start happening.  Many of you don't want the trees you ordered just yet due to heat and personal reasons, I on the other hand would like to receive the goods I paid for and was promised in early July.  As a business owner I fully understand that things happen and sometime you have to shift the schedule to the right.  When this happens, it is imperative that there be great deal of communication going on particularly when the funds have already been received on promised goods. 

I know he is very busy, but to busy for a quick update? When I clicked on his user name it said he had not logged in for 11 days and had not posted for a month.

James, Please let us know how things are coming.

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Originally Posted by Nickdef
I'm sure he is a forum member afraid to use his real screen name. That's a shame.


Competitor whose business of selling cuttings/trees on eBay will be killed with prices GreenFin can provide.




I've been following this thread almost since I joined the forum earlier this summer. I don't have any skin in the game for 2016 although in all honesty, I also have now made nominal purchases of both cuttings and rooted plants for 2017 as I am also looking to make additional cutting purchases from some of the other members / sources as they become available. I surely hope that James is able to fulfill the commitments that were made by accepting the purchase orders. I guess in hindsight, the only thing at this point, that we can be certain of is that James perhaps overestimated his ability to convert his mother stock into additional marketable stock. Perhaps as a first effort in this space, he should have set an 'end of sale' counter that would have been triggered at a preset value so that the orders did not just keep on coming in until the end date. Looking in the rear view mirror is easy, executing against a deliverable when all the chips don't fall as was optimistically expected... not so much....

In any case, I am rooting for James to be successful even if he is late. I am also rooting for him to be able to also manage his 2017 orders that have been accepted to date; perhaps even shut down any additional orders if that hasn't happened yet so that the 2017 mountain to climb doesn't overwhelm what appears to be an already strained operation.

Not sure what recourse anyone would have if the worst case scenario plays out and James is unable to fulfill 100% of his 2016 orders; will he be able to refund those unfulfilled 2016 orders? What about the 2017 orders already in the bank?  What does it mean for his future in the nursery business if things go south? Once burned, twice shy as the saying goes.... Let's all hope that that scenario doesn't play out....

Even though I have only been a part of this forum for a relatively short while, I am certain that folks on this forum are a very generous people and most everyone will gladly give James the extra latitude he may need to complete his phase 1 project(even above and beyond the latitude already given on the deliverable slippages); he should take the opportunity to clear the air, bare his soul and let everyone know what is happening since we are in September; I hope everyone finds satisfaction in the end game.

T

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Originally Posted by pofigist
Competitor whose business of selling cuttings/trees on eBay will be killed with prices GreenFin can provide.


It's quite possible some sellers did lose business due to the $7 trees.  On the other hand, we don't know that any more than we know when we will get those $7 trees.  If the $7 trees are a pipe dream, though, it would be unfortunate that sellers lost sales because of it.  So, even if they are sellers that are questioning the situation, they a) are in a good position to know how feasible what he's doing is, and b) would reasonably be concerned if it's not feasible, both for their businesses and the buyers.

I honestly believe GreenFin has every intention of delivering the trees, eventually.  I just don't know if it's possible.  I imagine with each delay, it becomes harder and harder for him to post here because he knows he's behind.  The problem is, that silence is feeding back into a concern that he's bit off more than he can chew--and if so, what will happen?

Again, I wish him luck.  And if it helps, I'll take my trees last or not at all.  I can survive without them.

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Originally Posted by GreenFin
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So, what he is going to do with all this trees, eat them for breakfast? Give him a break….

If I understand correctly, he's going to let them grow big enough to start new trees from those trees, so he can meet the orders.  This is expected to take another 6-8 weeks.  Well, actually, that picture is old, so he probably already did that with those trees.

Does anyone know how many trees in total were even ordered? I imagine quite a few people ordered 10+ trees.

I'm fairly new to this forum and don't post very much; but I emailed James
today in regards to my 2016 order. He promptly responded and apologized
for the unexpected delay, and reassured me that I would receive my plants.
He's determined to see this project through, and I believe him. As was previously
stated, he has to do one more propagation cycle, and he could not provide an 
exact delivery date, but he does not think they'll be ready to ship for a couple
of months. I don't know why he hasn't posted an update. I think he's just
overwhelmed with the amount of work involved and didn't allow for set backs
that every new business encounters. I think he's a stand up guy and will
deliver as he promised.

Ray

I personally would not buy from anybody else this season, probably next season too- his prices and trees are looking good. And list of varieties and starter trees just endless. I already posted his information on my Facebook and few garden forums- hope he will get many more orders and will be able to do more such projects.

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Originally Posted by pofigist

Give him a break….


Well I think the majority of folks here have given him a break. With the exception of a few critical posts most are expressing concern. Concern is warranted IMO not apologetics. As I have said it is a little early to storm the castle IMO, but to overlook legitimate concerns and substantive failures to deliver is not wise at this point. You might ask, what point are we at, what failures? OK, we have a failure to deliver trees that were paid for at a revised delivery schedule James himself posted (end of August). We have a failure to communicate, both the status of the project and any updated delivery projections (he responded to my initial email but did not post an update here as he indicated he would). We have a failure of the business model... not only has the initial phase failed to deliver by revised projected delivery dates but he has expanded his sales offerings by expanding beyond the 2016 and 2017 trees for sale by offering cuttings for sale this winter that includes some of the very same varieties he has indicated a difficulty propogating that has resulted in the failure to meet delivery projections... if you are having difficulty meeting the first phase of the project why open a third phase that utilizes resources that should be dedicated to ensuring phase 1 and 2 are completed and delivered successfully?

I don'the know all of the details and I have tempered my concern with a desire to give the benefit of the doubt, but the margins are slim and I do not think anyone can say concern is not warranted or that James should be "given a break". It is simple business, delivery is expected on goods that have been paid for... and when difficulties arise clear communication and honest effort is required. I too hope he can pull this together, but anyone who has paid $$$$ has a legitimate right to be concerned based on performance to date.

" but anyone who has paid $$$$ has a legitimate right to be concerned based on performance to date. "    


True, but seems like unknown   member, who started this storm , not even a concerned buyer..... 

       

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Originally Posted by Babylon
He hasn't come through for spring of 2016! Take your money elsewhere. I can't believe the moderator has let this scam stay active for so long.


He (Greenfin) is only less than 1.5 months as off the initial ship date...

Calling this a "scam" when the individual shows you his infrastructure and plants is really low and uncalled for.

Greenfin's cuttings from the early fall rooted well, and the leaves appear to match variety...my Hollier fig is now really too tall and whipy at over 7ft! :)

I expect the goal post will be moved one last time, and we all will get our trees.

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Originally Posted by pofigist
" but anyone who has paid $$$$ has a legitimate right to be concerned based on performance to date. "    


True, but seems like unknown   member, who started this storm , not even a concerned buyer..... 

       

Well I am a concerned buyer, and I was so concerned I contacted James directly. I am still concerned. The issue at hand is the performance of James to deliver to paid customers products he has committed to deliver and provide clear communication when difficulties are encountered. While I really want to give him the benefit of the doubt, that is the issue at hand, and there is a clear basis to be concerned based on performance.

You were not the one who started this conversation with a rude and strange tone.

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Originally Posted by pofigist


Competitor whose business of selling cuttings/trees on eBay will be killed with prices GreenFin can provide.






Not that anyone will believe me, but I am not concerned about fig prices. I have sold some cuttings but am not in the business and am not a competitor. Merely a hobbyist concerned that people may lose their money.

Besides, a legitimate business does not sell fig futures but rather plant material on hand.

Edit to add: once again, I sincerely hope he comes through may order next year if he does. But there is no evidence he had come through for anyone despite claims of shipping. Some pictures from a greenhouse mean nothing to me. In fact, it makes me more wonder how he can keep these dozens/hundreds of varieties straight. I have experience in nurseries, keeping things organized is critical to preventing mistakes. But hopefully greenfin will arrive and dispel any doubts shortly as repeatedly promised.

Babylon, since you created a 2nd ID to post your concerns it takes away validity to your motive. However, I do think this discussion needed to happen.

Uh....Nickdef....

Considering the way some have been treated here for raising concerns in the past, I don't blame Babyln one single bit for using a sock puppet account for this.

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Originally Posted by pofigist
" but anyone who has paid $$$$ has a legitimate right to be concerned based on performance to date. "    


True, but seems like unknown   member, who started this storm , not even a concerned buyer..... 

       


Regardless of who did or did not say it first, we have all been thinking it!!  I for one am glad that the elephant in the room is being addressed.

Missing a self set dead line... or two is one thing, the lack of communication is one of the loudest bells here.  There is time to add updates the website for 2017 but not add a few quick notes here?

Not say that James is or has, yet this where the lies start to CYA.  Claims have been made that James has stated to some people that emails have gone out and the first wave of trees was already shipped.  Okay, to whom?  There has been NO posts here from anyone stating that they received an email or trees. We all know how exited we would be to get either and a post would DEFINITELY follow it.  I know I will post when I get my shipping notification.

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Originally Posted by DBJohnson
Uh....Nickdef....

Considering the way some have been treated here for raising concerns in the past, I don't blame Babyln one single bit for using a sock puppet account for this.


Uh...DBJohnson.....
It shows a cowardness and lack of integrity. I know all I ever need to know about Babylon and now you. Bunch of candy asses that act like school girls talking trash behind someone's back. I have no problem about anyone speaking their mind even if it has cruel intentions. But put on your big girl panties and stand behind your words and not hide behind a fake screen name.

Fair enough...I see you're one of the ones here is that advocates crucifying folks for voicing their opinions.... Have fun with your future Ponzi schemes.

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Originally Posted by Nickdef
Uh...DBJohnson..... It shows a cowardness and lack of integrity. I know all I ever need to know about Babylon and now you. Bunch of candy asses that act like school girls talking trash behind someone's back. I have no problem about anyone speaking their mind even if it has cruel intentions. But put on your big girl panties and stand behind your words and not hide behind a fake screen name.



Hey Nick..Thanks, for commenting like a Man, instead of a Girl!!

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Originally Posted by DBJohnson
Fair enough...I see you're one of the ones here is that advocates crucifying folks for voicing their opinions.... Have fun with your future Ponzi schemes.


Please re-read my comment. I don't have an issue with anyone speaking their mind. It can also be as mean spirited as you like. My issue is with creating a 2nd screen name to carry it out.

@Frank...thanks

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