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$7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties

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Originally Posted by mfehmi
James, I have two questions:

1. I ordered 10 trees for 2016, 4 of them maybe fall in the category of troublesome and 6 of them maybe don't fall in the category of non troublesome (Those 6 are not the types that you mention). If the problem are the troublesome species, why not ship to people who want the non-troublesome fig trees first? 

2. If the 2016 project is very late in schedule, I would assume that the 2017 march project would also be late ... I want to know how this change could impact the 2017 march order (how many months could be delayed?) and what options could you give to us, the ones who ordered fig trees for 2016 and 2017? 

1)  That's a good and reasonable idea, and it was what I had been intending to do.  But I ran into issues (explained in post #520 above) that caused me to pot up all of the potentially shippable mothers and put them outside under shade cloth, which took that option off the table.

2) It all depends on whether I line up land over the next couple of weeks for more winter greenhouses.  If I do, then the timeline is doable; if I don't, I'll need to change it.  I'm giving myself a couple of weeks, and will edit and update my website at that time if necessary.  I discussed one piece of property with a neighbor earlier this week, and discussed another with a business about a mile away; there's also a 3rd property I'm considering that is owned by a friend and already has water, power, and an electric deer fence around it, but it's about 25 minutes from my house.  I'll investigate some other properties in the coming days, too, and hopefully get something lined up and finalized in a couple of weeks.

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Originally Posted by Frankallen


May I ask you one thing? If you didn't order any trees why are so concerned with this issue? Do you just Nose in to people's business? Are you just a coward wearing the cloak of a person with no name? You are nothing but a coward and a pile of shet !


At least I'm not an abrasive asshole. If you applied some basic reading comprehension in this thread, you would know why I'm concerned.

James, I know that you are working very hard on this project and I beleive in what you said. I just ask that you consider to ship the non troublesome varieties to people like me that are counting on them. For the Black Madeira and Figo Preto I can wait. Also, I don't mind to pay 2 shippings, I don't want you to lose money. I sent you a PM with the details.
As you said, I ordered very early when you annouced the project. And there are some many members here that are expresing that they don't have rush to get their figs, in my case is different. So consider that posibility. Either way, let me know please. Thanks

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Originally Posted by brianm
So basically, any of the harder to root varieties will now be shipped next year?

It unfortunately looks likely.  They're growing slow enough that I don't think we should count on those varieties being ready until winter, so they probably shouldn't ship until it thaws out next year.

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Originally Posted by rayrose
James,
Is it possible for you to list all of the troublesome varieties?

I'll start a list here off the top of my head, and I'll come back and add to the list over time as I see what I missed.

The top group is the 'high demand' group, most of which has been troublesome.  The bottom group had low-to-medium demand and isn't necessarily troublesome, but I have a low supply for various reasons.

Black Madeira
Figo Preto
I-258
Abebereira - almost all cuttings leafed but didn't root
Maltese Beauty
Maltese Falcon -- growing fine now, but lost a lot of cuttings early on
Bourjasotte Grise -- my big mother died early in the spring, and many cuttings failed :(
Lebanese Red (Bass)
Native de Argentile - somewhat like Abebereira for me

CdD Blanc, Gris, and Noir - tons were ordered, but I've got a lot going (haven't been too troublesome), so they're behind but not way behind

LdA - most would leaf and start to root, but never get vigorous, and eventually die
Niagara Black and Nordland - same problem as LdA
Hunt -- weird, I know; I lost a whole gallon baggie of cuttings, don't know why
Negronne - have 3 plants, but they're growing soooo slowww
Peter's Honey - befuddled as to why most of my cuttings died
Sal's Gene - accidentally killed my big mother tree
St. Rita - only have a couple of these, didn't get enough initially
Verdal Longue - had trouble with moldy cuttings
White Triana - only have one, though demand is low

It's a shame that one person must keep rehashing what others have said and demanding that they explain themselves. Just let it go, man.

The worrying of not getting trees should be over with along with accusations. If you are worried, PM James for a refund....PERIOD. I doubt the negative posters will reach out for a refund because after all, they wouldn't want to pay fair market price for their trees. Nothing in this world is free and you must pay with patience.

  • TGO

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Originally Posted by Nickdef
The worrying of not getting trees should be over with along with accusations. If you are worried, PM James for a refund....PERIOD. I doubt the negative posters will reach out for a refund because after all, they wouldn't want to pay fair market price for their trees. Nothing in this world is free and you must pay with patience.


I just sent my e-mail asking James to refund both of my orders. I was willing to wait but in the end it was not worth it. I do not mind paying a fair price for quality items AND I do not mind waiting for deals... but there has been more involved in this instance. In this case being able to walk away from this thread will be priceless. The suggestion to PM James for a refund if you are concerned is a good suggestion... suggesting that you "must pay with patience" for all the things in this world that are not free, well that is a whole bunch of stupid that I have no patience for...

It's pretty sad that this great idea has come to this, a few impatient or nosey people have torn it down. I'm in it for the long run. 

KEEP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING JAMES!!! I appreciate the hard work you're doing...

Here's my idea for those who want a refund. Why not post what you ordered and I'm sure someone who likes your order will gladly give you what you paid, then a simple e-mail to James to rearrange the new shipping destination... Might be a long shot but I'm sure there are a lot of people who missed out and would love a shot at some nice trees...


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Originally Posted by Elfarach


Here's my idea for those who want a refund. Why not post what you ordered and I'm sure someone who likes your order will gladly give you what you paid, then a simple e-mail to James to rearrange the new shipping destination... Might be a long shot but I'm sure there are a lot of people who missed out and would love a shot at some nice trees...


Why go through all that bother, he is still selling ALL varieties for a March 2017 delivery... It is quite clear that not everyone has thought this through...

I am for sure in for the "Long Haul"....James has explained his problems, if I was him my explaining would be over with! I've bought 32 orders and not  worried in the least! Appreciate your effort James, anyone can run into problems.....! Spring is a very good time of the year to receive plants!.....I am a very patient person! : )

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Just wanted to post that James refunded both of my orders and he did so extremely fast. I wish him all the best and hope everything works out for him!

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Originally Posted by HarveyC


Scott, why on earth speculate who Babylon is and throw out a name with zero evidence?  I had communication with "Babylon" a day or two ago and won't disclose who it is but it surely is not Wills.  It's not a competitor, just someone concerned for the welfare of others.  I would suggest a different approach but everyone is entitled to express their own thoughts in the manners they chose.


Harvey - how the heck am Ii supposed to know that you've been talking with Babylon?

It was just a question. Not a statement of opinion. And there is enough bad blood between the two that the question deserved to be asked.

So this is a planned out operation? People coordinating with each other? How on earth would anyone know who this mystery person is without knowing what they would be doing?

no  worries no stress..............  from me 

when my trees are done any time is  fine ...........with me

thanks James ............ take your  time brother

Austin..

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Originally Posted by alanmercieca
...Yet for some people like me cancelling does not make sense. I can have patience, and I expected a major delay when I bought. I did not know the delay would go in to 2017 yet that is ok with me. I save a lot of money, I did not have to root them myself, and they will be quality plants...



My orders are for 2017 but otherwise I agree with all the above points. To me, everything has its costs, intangible and tangible. Right now, the opportunity costs of longer time until delivery is still worth it and I like to support James in expanding his fig operation. Having bigger and more reliable fig sources will be good for the community.

On the other hand, I also understand different people have different point of views, needs, and risk/cost limits. To each his own. Happy figging!

I've been cupping up cuttings into humidity bins and doing air-layers.  Here are some pics of the air-layers that were set today:

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You're drawing conclusions without knowing the facts on why we ordered from James. I, for one, could not have bought a couple of cuttings or potted plants at the beginning of the year because the varieties I ordered I cannot buy elsewhere. If the plants I ordered do become available elsewhere I can't say "regardless of the market price" since they often go for over $100 and I simply can't afford that only to find out it's the wrong plant or dying. If you have that much disposable income I'm glad for you but I'm taking my deals where I can find them at prices I can afford to take a loss on.

Just for fun looked up the post with the most replies....https://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/encanto-farms-fig-cuttings-2014-6750952?trail=600
Just 30 more to go to get to the record!!!  Looks like this one will shatter that.

James, a very sincere thank you for the updates...much appreciated.

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Originally Posted by ThaiFig
As someone who is not eligible to order since this was a USA only offer, I have no skin in the game, but a couple of observations.



The 2017 orders are international.

Despite all issues, I have placed 2017 orders on 32 cuttings and 30 plants and put my faith in you James. keep it up.

James, I just want to reach out to say thank you for being honest & open always. I know its been a tough road for all. There are worse things in life, right?! I can see you are doing your best.
Blessings,
Meg


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Originally Posted by GreenFin
I just read back through the last 2-3 pages, and I feel sick about having caused all this stress and frustration.  It's awful seeing folks venting at each other and knowing it's my fault.  Let's turn the page and get back to talking figs. 

There were a number of posts with questions that I hadn't seen and addressed yet, I'll try to work through them now in some ensuing posts.

Before anyone further criticizes / accuses, or discussions turn ugly, or before anyone even posts; I suggest you go back and read James' original offer on page #1.  He details out his entire plan and offer.  He estimates the dates but makes no guarantee he will be able to fulfill.  Here is a excerpt:

"This is a special offer to sell you trees for little more than it costs me to produce them, but only if you pre-pay to cover those expenses.  Doing things this way allows me to know how many of each variety I need to grow, and it gives me the money in advance to cover the costs of growing them. "

Is this an interest free loan - Yes, but there was nothing underhanded as James fully explains that up front.  $7 for much more expensive trees based on the fact they do not yet exists.  If you ordered trees, you agreed to these terms.  James has so far honored everything he said he would.  On top of that he is still honoring his original refund offer:

"If any of the trees you order aren’t ready by July, perhaps because of slow growth or excessive demand, I’ll ship the ones that are ready and give you the choice to either get a refund on the others or to wait and receive them whenever they're ready."

From my understanding of the original arrangement, James can hold his head high and has not deviated in the slightest.

Andrew

Thank you, James, for doing this and continuing to post the pictures.  I have faith that everything will work out.

Great post Andrew, exactly right and we all knew this would probably happen. Good name too, Andrew!

Drew (Andrew).

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