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I wasn't referring to you but to "figavenger" who turned up 20 hours ago like you came out of thin air just to humiliate others. Why don't you guys grow up and use your real ID?.. 


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*UPDATE*

Lately I've been rigging up lighting to help the fig trees grow faster and better over the winter months.  The tunnel greenhouse below has 28 shop light fixtures, each of which is 4ft long and holds two T8 bulbs.  The bulbs are 32W, so their combined power usage in this tunnel is just under 1,800 Watts.

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Most of the bulbs are 6500K, some are 5000K, and two fixtures have purple "Gro-Lux" bulbs.
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The big tubs that I use as humidity bins, like the one with black handles below, hold around 40 figs each.  I currently have around 50 of these tubs filled with around 2,000 total cuttings in various stages of rooting.
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After the cuttings in the humidity bins start to show roots, I move them into shorter tubs that only hold 24 cups; that way the baby fig trees can get a bit more space and light, and the humidity bin can be refilled with the next batch of cuttings.
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Now I need to upgrade my breaker box so that I can set up grow lights in my Banana House/Pool House (the one with all the floating figs) and add more heat to some tunnels.  Last year I upgraded the greenhouse/shed/orchard area from 20 Amps to 100 Amps, and tomorrow I've got an electrician coming out to upgrade it to 200 Amps. 

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Hey James, Great update!  I see you have got everything covered! Thanks so much!
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Thanks for the update! Please try and check in from time to time. I can't wait till your up and going so I can add rare figs at a fair price. I myself refuse to pay big bucks just for figs. To me they are far from my top fruit. So many other fruits I grow are much more important to me Still I would like to try some that at present are overpriced. No hurry on my side though. I like to wait till many try the figs and I can get reports on how good they really are or are not. If you decide to import figs, please follow the proper guidelines to do so. We are plagued with invasive species already. Many of our fruit industries, like citrus are close to being non existent due to selfish people failing to follow import rules.
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Thanks for the update James, PLEASE KEEP THE UPDATES COMING ON A REGULAR SCHEDULE. Regular updates on the forum is the best mass communication that you have. This will help everyone sleep better at night, alleviate all the individual emails and PMs from us, and keep all the negative comments and responses from appearing on the forum. Good luck, hopefully all members will experience a nice source for purchasing varieties that are selling for out of reach prices. We appreciate what you are doing, trying to get as many varieties out in the community for ALL to enjoy, that's what it's all about.....FIGS 4 FUN!!!
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My greenhouse has had freezing temps at least 6 times this year and some of my potted pomegranates still have some leaves. There are weeds growing in the pots too. I am not even doing much and what I have is not much better than James has, although it's gets colder where he is. He could have added heat for all we know, I have not done much to add heat, then again I was not trying to keep the plants growing, and it's warmer here.


Alan, 

I don't want to hijack this thread but I'm curious about your greenhouse set up because I will be moving to 7a/b next year and will be making one myself. I'd like to learn from others. Maybe you could post about your greenhouse in a new thread? Or is there already a thread on it?

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Thank you for the update, James!  I have both 2016 and  2017 orders for your trees.  I don't mind so much that they're running a bit behind schedule, but it is nice to see the updates and that you're making some real progress.  
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I know James is incredibly busy so it's unlikely he will post much other than updates on the figs in the near future. Earlier this year I sent James an email asking about his greenhouse and here's what he sent back. I know this isn't very detailed, but it gives you a general idea of what he did. It sounds like a simple, fun project!

"All my greenhouses, including the new one, have a double layer of film with the space between the layers inflated.

I get 10' lengths of metal EMT conduit, cut them in half, then sledgehammer them into the ground (not straight up and down, but angled inward); those serve as the footers for the pvc to slide onto.  The film holds everything down, as it's buried along the long sides, and no wind can move the weight of all that dirt."

There is also a description on his blog with lots of pictures:

http://www.greenfingardens.com/p/semi-pit-tunnel-greenhouse.html
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So, finally another update.

Unfortunately, many questions remain.

What happened to all those young tender plants put into the ground in October?  No pics of those.

On October 9 he said "As of right now it looks like I'll be able to finish the trees for about 1/3 of the 2016 orders by sometime in November".  Anyone get their trees?  

On November 7 he answered macmike with "Your order for $7 trees should ship within the month, and your order for 2017 trees should ship in spring of 2017."  Did macmike's order arrive? 

Back on September 10 he answered mfehmi's question of "If the 2016 project is very late in schedule, I would assume that the 2017 march project would also be late ... I want to know how this change could impact the 2017 march order (how many months could be delayed?) and what options could you give to us, the ones who ordered fig trees for 2016 and 2017?" with "It all depends on whether I line up land over the next couple of weeks for more winter greenhouses.  If I do, then the timeline is doable; if I don't, I'll need to change it."  

So two months later by November 7, when he answered macmike, he presumably knew he didn't get any new land and would have to use the existing greenhouses and hoophouses for the 2016 project.  So why was he still saying "2017 trees should ship in spring of 2017"?   Especially given this https://web.archive.org/web/20160909183449/http://www.figcuttings.com/p/custom-fig-tree-orders.html from Sept 9 vs this snapshot https://web.archive.org/web/20161229172259/http://www.figcuttings.com/p/custom-fig-tree-orders.html taken December 29.  

Also there was no mention of this change of delivery date in his latest update, maybe he just forgot?  Didn't hear anyone else mention it on the forum either, perhaps because no one noticed?

Given Jame's history, I think the answer to Akrouus post of "I have no doubt James will deliver, the question is just when.  I do want to start growing specific varieties this spring, and if James believes Spring is not feasible, i would like to start pursuing contingency plans/sources. Right now, I am in a quandary. I know James is hard at work and a "schedule" update would be awesome." would be another question, "Why would you believe any schedule you were given?"  My recommendation at this point would be, if it's important to you that you start them this Spring, find another source.

To Tony who wrote "I think that James is a straight shooter who is working very hard to climb the mountain that WE built for him when he made such an attractive offer for 2016 and compounded it with offers for 2017."  No, I must respectfully disagree about your point here.  He built his own mountain.  And continues to do so.  You can go on his website and order 100 trees of each of the most troublesome varieties he's listed, and he'll gladly take your money.  No inventory limits.  No guarantees you'll ever get your plants, either.  Like I said in my first post here, if you find yourself in a hole, the first step is to quit digging.  James seems quite happy to keep digging away.

So much as I hope this ends well for those of you who have invested your money and lost the time waiting for a delivery that hasn't happened yet, I must admit I'm glad I resisted the temptation to jump in on a deal that seemed to good to be true.  I can accept James was over-optimistic in the beginning, and ran into unexpected hurdles.  But his more recent posts and actions are more deliberate, and his credibility with many people I've talked to online elsewhere is not what it used to be.  I can understand continuing to wait on your previous $7 / tree order, but with the advantage of a year's hindsight, I'd be hard pressed to understand the thinking of anyone who jumped in now.

There is a limited time window of fig cuttings availability each year.  I suggest you take advantage of it while you can.
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Case well stated.

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THEN spring it is...
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Doug, I've also compared this to chickens.  It would be like a guy selling a couple thousand baby chicks starting out with 10 hens and a rooster.
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What happened to all those young tender plants put into the ground in October?  No pics of those.

I planted my orchard long before October, and the only trees I put in-ground around that time frame were planted indoors in heated greenhouses. 

None of the potted or in-ground trees in any of my greenhouses are dead, they're all fine.  The only issue I've had is that small pockets of them went dormant at all sorts of various different times.  That creates a problem because I need all cuttings ready at the same time for shipping purposes.  So when something like that would happen, I would prune the dormant section and immediately root and grow those cuttings in order to continue growing and to maximize wood and plant production for shipping time in February/March.  For example, some of the cuttings I rooted in late October are already over a foot tall.  Not all of my trees are dormant yet. 

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Back on September 10 he answered mfehmi's question of "If the 2016 project is very late in schedule, I would assume that the 2017 march project would also be late ... I want to know how this change could impact the 2017 march order (how many months could be delayed?) and what options could you give to us, the ones who ordered fig trees for 2016 and 2017?" with "It all depends on whether I line up land over the next couple of weeks for more winter greenhouses.  If I do, then the timeline is doable; if I don't, I'll need to change it."  

So two months later by November 7, when he answered macmike, he presumably knew he didn't get any new land and would have to use the existing greenhouses and hoophouses for the 2016 project.  So why was he still saying "2017 trees should ship in spring of 2017"?   Especially given this https://web.archive.org/web/20160909183449/http://www.figcuttings.com/p/custom-fig-tree-orders.html from Sept 9 vs this snapshot https://web.archive.org/web/20161229172259/http://www.figcuttings.com/p/custom-fig-tree-orders.html taken December 29.
 
The underlined portion is incorrect.  I had 4 existing greenhouses, and when I didn't get new land, I built 9 additional new greenhouses on my property in order to handle production.  Therefore, the reason I was saying that "2017 trees should ship in spring of 2017" was because I was building those 9 new greenhouses that I needed to make that deadline.  Failing to get new land didn't prevent me from building the necessary greenhouses, it just caused me to build all of the greenhouses on my own current property.

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Also there was no mention of this change of delivery date in his latest update, maybe he just forgot?  Didn't hear anyone else mention it on the forum either, perhaps because no one noticed?

The new order pages for Fall 2017 delivery are for new orders placed now and are for delivery at the end of next season.  They are for next season's plants/cuttings, not for past orders. 

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You can go on his website and order 100 trees of each of the most troublesome varieties he's listed, and he'll gladly take your money.  No inventory limits.  No guarantees you'll ever get your plants, either.  Like I said in my first post here, if you find yourself in a hole, the first step is to quit digging.  James seems quite happy to keep digging away.

The order pages that are currently up are for next season, as noted above.  I am no longer accepting orders for the current season.  If someone really wants to order 100 Black Madeiras for Fall 2017, I've got enough starting material and infrastructure to handle it, but they'll have a long wait since that's almost a full year away. 

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I need more popcorn.
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I need more popcorn.
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You are such a brat Will.


Not me, and you spelled his name wrong.
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Taking peoples money to build the equipment that will produce the cuttings or trees seems shady, at best.
Why not just refund the people their money, build the housing you need for your zone.
Then actually take orders for what you can provide?
It looks like everybody is paying to get you set up, so you can later fill orders. Or 100% profit?

I think the timing is off.
First you have to have cuttings available.
Then you sell what you actually have?
Meanwhile everybody s waiting for you to get set up, and you have anything in limbo.
I'm glad I held back ordering.
Good luck with your project

Doug


EXCEPT that a vast majority of us who ordered are willing to wait...it was not my prefference, but James offered (and AFAIK still does) a refund....

I chose to wait....

As I have stated before, previous purchases from James have ended quite well...I expect this will have a happy ending.

SPRING IS ONLY 2 MONTHES FOR MY ZONE....most of us will hack 2 more monthes.


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It's Will of SC, and you clearly have strong ties to Will's forum


"Our figs" that's treason! :)
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Someone asked for popcorn


Extra butter, thanks Lou!
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The owner of ourfigs is not a nice person, and based upon what I hear about him his is greedy as well! He can get nasty in emails jumping to nasty false conclusions about me when my forum was still new. He was trying to get some top fig collectors to stop supporting my forum privately. Babylon person who clearly loves ourfigs like his own, and loves Will (Wills) is clearly a very nasty person who loves to overlook the facts and to stir up trouble.


Sorry to hear that Alan. I find it suspicious that since "OF" came on the scene, this forum has been hacked a while back and "technical difficulties" posting pics is a persistent issue...

Who has motive....OF and OF affiliates have the motive.

BTW I have never posted on that "other forum", nor do I plan to on the future.

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I guess this thread "is" about people waiting on their order.
Isn't it?

Doug


That's deep man.

Please remember not to swallow the water in the kiddie pool.
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I may be wrong but it seems that members that have ordered should be the ones to be concerned, but correct me if I am wrong, are the persons who have not ordered the ones making the negative comments? The members who ordered knew the risk and concept of the future product. It's like buying stock in a start up company that needs capital, you could make out okay or you could lose your entire investment. So if you are one who ordered and are not pleased with the progress then contact James and ask for a refund, or wait like most who have ordered. Those who have not ordered, we appreciate your concern but we really would like to see you start another thread and be negative with the others who have not ordered. 
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People need to lay off the crazy pills. Hacking? Data limits? That's the forum owner not caring about this forum.
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For once I agree with you Alan.
I asked ourfigs owner to remove me from the forum, so
he locked me out of my own control panel,, emails,, pm's
everything.
It to me is just a wannabe f4f

Doug


so what was the actual problem on the "Other Forum"...

you seem to be the "popcorn" type .....so do tell. mmm
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There you go mocking the competition's forum!


What competition? There's no money at stake, except those tossing money at this scheme.
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There you go mocking the competition's forum!


Calling people "crazy" is a favorite way to try and delegitamize opposition....a propaganda tool you see all the time in the media.
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you know enough.
This thread is not the place

Doug


Fair enough...but why keep stirring the pot if you have no outstanding order?
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I am beginning to wonder why members of another forum would come here just to stir up trouble. Please administrator and moderators of the other forum, please encourage your members not to come to this forum for the sole purpose to cause havoc. As well, members of this forum should not go to your forum just for the purpose of disruption. I still believe that the majority of members of both forums are great people and want to do their best to promote figs. What Babylon is doing here is totally wrong. Please Wills, talk some sense into this person. This has happened before with an administrator from the other forum and I believe you convinced him to stop, because it did stop immediately. This is just soooooo not right. It seems that most of the problems caused on this forum are from no name new members trolling for reasons other than promoting figs and friendship. Please. 
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So a couple of weeks from now close to 100% of the 'non-troublesome' varieties should be growing in their shipping containers, and they would be ready to ship about 6-8 weeks after that.  The troublesome ones might take two more prune/root/grow cycles before I'd have enough for 100% to be in their final containers, which would mean they wouldn't be ready until sometime in January.


That quote was from september 9/6/16. The Non-troublesome varieties should have been ready to ship in November. What happened here??? No explanation about that.
In that same update, James said that the troublesome varieties "wouldn't be ready until sometime in January."

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; So when something like that would happen, I would prune the dormant section and immediately root and grow those cuttings in order to continue growing and to maximize wood and plant production for shipping time in February/March.


Today, we have this new update from James that the fig trees will be ready to ship in February/March.
My question to James, is February/March the real date for shipping the fig trees? Or we can expect another delay close to that date?

This is the fourth date set for shipping this fig trees.
1. Original date, July 1
2. First week of August
3. November for Non troublesome varieties and January for troublesome varieties
4. February/March 2017

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What competition? There's no money at stake, except those tossing money at this scheme.


LIAR.
PayPal buttons (on OF), possible future ad revenue, raffles (on OF), and nusery sales that is tied to this forum, and Willis C. Selling cuttings = Money.

Jelosy, anger, and Honor are just along for the ride.
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This is turning into a nightmare, guys just ask for refund. I don't think Babylon is wills as he got better things to worry about.
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Babylon is an Arseling...No idea other than that.

Those who sought a refund got it. The rest will be patient and get their fig trees.
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I am happy to wait for my order. If it doesn't come then I will worry about it. Why worry now? That's just dumb.
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So this is how old farts spend their time?!?!Lol
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I haven't seen this much pissing and moaning since the presidential debates.
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Ah come on Grant, you responded, you just joined the club. LOL
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I ordered four trees in December of 2015.  Please can somebody just tell me when I might be able to expect delivery?  I couldn't seem to find it with all the bs and the man hasn't answered my email inquiry. I already have what I ordered but would like them anyway for other purposes.   
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I just checked, the last time that James mentioned a shipping time for the 2015 orders was October 8th 2016, he said then early Spring, yet I am looking at this like waiting for a music album to be released, the release date keeps getting delayed because if unexpected problems. If none of us started to get notices by at least mid June then I'd be surprised.


Thanks for the straight reply Alan. 
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About 20% of replies on this thread(topic) should be deleted, have absolutely nothing to do with the topic.
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20% sounds low.
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I just checked, the last time that James mentioned a shipping time for the 2015 orders was October 8th 2016, he said then early Spring, yet I am looking at this like waiting for a music album to be released, the release date keeps getting delayed because if unexpected problems. If none of us started to get notices by at least mid June then I'd be surprised.


I'm sorry, but that's not true. James is very clear in this quote of September 6 2016, for the reference, this is the post #469 and here's the quote:

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So a couple of weeks from now close to 100% of the 'non-troublesome' varieties should be growing in their shipping containers, and they would be ready to ship about 6-8 weeks after that.  The troublesome ones might take two more prune/root/grow cycles before I'd have enough for 100% to be in their final containers, which would mean they wouldn't be ready until sometime in January


So, he's clearly gave the date of November as a date of shipping for the Non-troublesome varieties and January for the troublesome varieties.
Today, he just changed the shipping date again to February/March. So I'm just giving the facts, no drama here, just facts and I'm quoting James words.
All I want to know if James will not change the shipping date again, because as I said before this is the fourth shipping date for this project. I want James to be clear with us, that's all.
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Hi James, thanks for responding.  

To any others who wonder why I care, I'm genuinely interested in what's going on.  I have my own reasons that I needn't go into, they're not relevant to the discussion.  I genuinely hope the project succeeds.  I just have serious doubts.  They haven't gone away.  Questions I ask are those others are asking as well.  Not everyone is as sanguine about waiting as others posting here apparently are.  And the sale of cuttings will finish in the next couple of months; if people don't buy them now, they may lose yet another growing season waiting on what the computer industry calls vaporware.

To James 

I note you skipped over the first two points I raised.  That doesn't make the questions go away.  

[ On October 9 he said "As of right now it looks like I'll be able to finish the trees for about 1/3 of the 2016 orders by sometime in November".  Anyone get their trees? ]  (I'm guessing the answer is no)

[ On November 7 he answered macmike with "Your order for $7 trees should ship within the month, and your order for 2017 trees should ship in spring of 2017."  Did macmike's order arrive? ]  (I'm guessing the answer is no)

You'd previously gone down this road with your post of 9/10, about changing your mind of shipping mother plants.  Two months later, you're apparently doing it again?  So what happened in the 3 weeks from Nov 7 till the end of the month that caused you not to ship as planned?  Given you couldn't predict issues 3 weeks in advance, it seems a quite a stretch to expect people to have faith in your predictions now.  I'm not attacking you here, though it may seem so.  But it's a question others have raised, and goes to your credibility.  It also doesn't speak well about your promise to be more communicative.

To your response:

"The underlined portion is incorrect.  I had 4 existing greenhouses, and when I didn't get new land, I built 9 additional new greenhouses on my property in order to handle production.  Therefore, the reason I was saying that "2017 trees should ship in spring of 2017" was because I was building those 9 new greenhouses that I needed to make that deadline.  Failing to get new land didn't prevent me from building the necessary greenhouses, it just caused me to build all of the greenhouses on my own current property."

OK, on Sept 7 you did say "I say 'probably' because I could set up a couple more greenhouses on our property and expand a third one, which *might* give me the capacity to meet the deadline even without any extra land."

So I'll grant you that point.  But at some point you changed the delivery date for 2017 orders to "Fall" without mentioning it in any of your posts.  It now says: "Advance order your fig trees now for Fall 2017 delivery! You can now advance order fig trees for delivery around October 2017."   But your order form still lists March as the estimated ship date for each variety.  - Need to update that -  Question is, if you already know it won't be possible to fill those orders for another 9 months, why take advance orders now when last year's orders and this Spring's orders are still unfilled?  I think we know the answer to that one...

The clue to that is in your first post on this thread : "So what's in it for me?  A large part of the cost of growing the fig trees will be heating my 4 greenhouses, where I also grow lots of fish and bananas.  Heating is really expensive, so I usually only heat half my space, and I only heat it a minimal amount.  But I would crank up the heat for your fig trees, and that would have the side benefits of making my fish and bananas happier and helping them to grow faster.   So in a nutshell, in exchange for hooking you up with cheap trees, you’d help to pay my heating bill and allow me to grow bigger fish and bananas. "

Now the bananas have apparently moved out, and you've added all this new polytunnel space.

But more significantly "Last year I upgraded the greenhouse/shed/orchard area from 20 Amps to 100 Amps, and tomorrow I've got an electrician coming out to upgrade it to 200 Amps."  So I'm guessing without the cash flow of future promised sales, that electrical bill, on top of refunding people who've given up, would be a bit much to handle?  What about the shipping charges?  Have you escrowed those for use when the time comes to ship, or have you had to use that money for your running costs and expansion?  Without the continued cash flow of future sales, would you be able to ship all the orders even if your fig plants are ready?

"I need all cuttings ready at the same time for shipping purposes" ... sorry that's unrealistic.  I have trouble getting two air layers to mature at the same time growing them on one tree.  Cuttings all mature at different rates, even of the same variety, let alone multiple varieties.  I think that's at the core of your problems.  People ordering many different varieties with different maturation rates making it impossible to get a complete order together for anyone.  Adding one or two layers of poly cuts down the light available by half.  Add to the shorter winter days, colder temps, and sunlight coming in at a low angle, it's no wonder that you're now growing under shoplights. Whatever growth expectations you have for in ground figs during these next couple of months are just not going to happen.

"None of the potted or in-ground trees in any of my greenhouses are dead, they're all fine.  The only issue I've had is that small pockets of them went dormant at all sorts of various different times."  Probably uneven heat distribution contributed to that.  Not an uncommon problem in a polytunnel with no fans.  Not dead, *yet*.  Winter is just getting started. Hope that's still true once it turns to Spring.

"I planted my orchard long before October, and the only trees I put in-ground around that time frame were planted indoors in heated greenhouses. "  Not according to the pics and post of Oct 9 where you said "Not all of the orchard has been planted yet, and a few of the empty planting locations that we had marked earlier will need to be moved slightly to get them inside the tunnels, as you can see in the first picture." or the pics you posted on Oct 10.  Look like small plants being planted in your new tunnels to me.  According to your last update they may have some heat but are in need more.  Which obviously weren't enough to prevent dormancy, which was my original point.  That projections of growth in December, let alone January, in those tunnels were unrealistic.  And such young plants with limited root systems are going to have a hard time surviving if it gets cold enough.

In short, I think you're innovations are admirable, but your expectations are still unrealistic.  Be happy to be proven wrong.  

And to the rest of you, could we please try to stay on topic?  On second thought, nah, that's also unrealistic...

- Dieter aka ThaiFig(s). 
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Is the link for $7 fig trees broken? I was trying to get check on the progress but all I see are random posts with people fighting about everything from other forums to who is allowed to post to favors to politics and videos of martians?!? I really did like the Martian video.

I think we've all lost faith in James' ability to estimate a ship date. I don't think everyone has completely lost faith that he will deliver at some point whether it be next year or maybe the year after and hopefully with the true varieties. Hopefully, it isn't a Ponzi scheme and he can get everything in order. Regular updates would be nice but I think it's just a matter of waiting and seeing what happens at this point or requesting your refund and pursuing other options if you want to grow your ordered varieties next season. February shipping seems unlikely and a bad idea at least in my area with temps in the negative teens and twenties.

I'm rooting for James to succeed even if delayed and I'll keep my order since I'm not in any hurry.

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You helped to prove my point, what you quoted happened before what I mentioned not after.


You're wrong again. In September James told us that November and January were the shipping dates and in October 8, the one that you are referring to James told us this:

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*UPDATE* As of right now it looks like I'll be able to finish the trees for about 1/3 of the 2016 orders by sometime in November and will have the rest ready by early spring. .


So, as you can see nothing changed here. The 1/3 of the orders were the Non-troublesome varieties.

What happened here? Why James didn't ship the 1/3 or the orders in November?


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Monday James mentioned that the 2016 ordering that is supposed to be for 2017 should be shipped February/March. He did not even mention the 2015 ordering that was supposed to be for 2016 Monday. If you actually read his post yourself rather than just going on gossip you'd know that.


Here's James response to ThaiFigs about the young tender plants put into the ground in October in obvious reference to the 2015 Fig Order that was originally supposed to be delivered on Summer 2016.

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I planted my orchard long before October, and the only trees I put in-ground around that time frame were planted indoors in heated greenhouses. 

None of the potted or in-ground trees in any of my greenhouses are dead, they're all fine.  The only issue I've had is that small pockets of them went dormant at all sorts of various different times.  That creates a problem because I need all cuttings ready at the same time for shipping purposes.  So when something like that would happen, I would prune the dormant section and immediately root and grow those cuttings in order to continue growing and to maximize wood and plant production for shipping time in February/March. 


As you can see Alan, I did read the post and I'm not going into gossip like you are saying. In fact, I'm reading every single post in this thread. Unlike you, I'm using quotes to support my arguments and just to be clear I don't want a discussion with you or with anyone. When I posted my questions, they were specific to James, not to anyone else. I want to hear from James who is the owner and the founder of this project.




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@alanmercieca "When he said 'Your order for $7 trees should ship within the month, and your order for 2017 trees should ship in spring of 2017.' That is very vague, think he meant within a month before the orders for 2017 are supposed to go out yet that is only a guess."

No, it's I don't think it's vague at all. When he said that on November 7, I take it to mean in the month of November. Don't see how you can read it any other way. And it's consistent with what he was promising on October 9. Something may have forced him to change his plans again in the weeks following. But he hasn't said what. 
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This series of negative comments from members who have not ordered and those asking for refunds may be a blessing the those willing to wait, more cuttings and plants available to successfully fill the orders. These people may be helping more than hurting the project???
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Alan Mercieca you should be ashamed about attacking Wills in this thread. It is most ungentlemanly of you. Wills was once here, now he's gone. He does not have a voice to defend himself. Whatever your beef is with him, take it somewhere else. It sounds like sour grapes. You are the last person I would expect to smear a defenseless individual.
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I'm not sure stating a position over and over again is very productive? It is what it is, and we are all adults, quite simple.
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ThaiFig,
in my opinion you are either one or two...

you are either a Fig Merchant in your country...and the $7 fig if it comes through is not good for your business and that called CONFLICT OF INTEREST, regarding you giving us your opinion..... your handle in both this forum and Rafed is thaiFig...that is a marketing name...

or you are fighting for a U.S. Fig merchant FOR some goodies or favors...and that is not nice...what do you teach exactly...

rafaelissimmo, I do think willy owns a forum to defend himself, I think he already did...he does not need a nice lawyer (oxymoron) to defend him...and he is not the nicest to defend...never believe in somebody who licks his spit...

look people I invested here in 2016 figs...and in 2017 figs, and I have no worry that he is going to come through ...the only one who doesn't want him to come through are Fig sellers and they know that with time he will deliver...any one ordered $7 Black Maderia or expansive fig plant should be patient you are trading your time for the money you saved...if you want your cake and eat it...then GROW UP...
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