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$7 fig trees for spring/summer delivery, around 150+ varieties

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Originally Posted by nunuorig
If James is legit, he won't get taken down and you and many other people will get their trees. If he is NOT legit, then you and many others will NOT get their trees, and we would have stopped a crook from ripping other people off. If I start seeing posts with a majority people getting their trees (not just a few friends of his), my view will change and I will offer a public apology. If I should get my trees, I will post as such, update my complaint to law enforcement noting I received delivery, and still post a public apology. And yes, I am new to figs, and I'm hooked. I just ordered black Madeira cuttings and I-285's off eBay. :) I hope I can get them to root like my black mission.


This is off-topic, but make sure you are buying from a trusted seller.  A lot of people claim to sell rare varieties on ebay, but 12-24 months later you may find the fig is nothing like what they said it was.  When in doubt, you can post a thread asking about a specific seller.

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You make silly analogies/ arguments that dont fit the situation, in order to keep the heat off James W Sperman. THAT to me is a defense of James W Sperman. What is the nature of your relationship with James W Sperman?
Good point Lewi! The things that make you say Hmmm!?!

Since it appears that James is getting ready to ship, all of this legal mumbo jumbo is an exercize in futility.

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Since it appears that James is getting ready to ship, all of this legal mumbo jumbo is an exercize in futility.


I once saw a YouTube video of a leprechaun riding a flying purple unicorn dropping gold coins on people. I sure hope that leprechan comes my way!

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Since it appears that James is getting ready to ship, all of this legal mumbo jumbo is an exercize in futility.


Not at all.  I would contend the following:

1.  Calling James out with defining possible illegalities has put a fire under his butt and magically healed his pinky toe.  And, you're welcome.  

2.  If you actually look at his newly and conveniently posted YT shipping videos, you'll see that the subject trees certainly did not take 1.5+ years to propagate.  I have newly propagated 2017 trees that have substantially more growth than his shippable inventory.  


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Not at all.  I would contend the following:

1.  Calling James out with defining possible illegalities has put a fire under his butt and magically healed his pinky toe.  And, you're welcome.  

2.  If you actually look at his newly and conveniently posted YT shipping videos, you'll see that the subject trees certainly did not take 1.5+ years to propagate.  I have newly propagated 2017 trees that have substantially more growth than his shippable inventory.  




Oh, he definitely did not ship trees as they were grown.  From the reports he gave, he was using air layering and other methods.  First gen trees were used to grow the inventory further, rather than fulfill orders.  He basically said as much.  If it were a one year deal then I would say his plan was to grow the inventory "exponentially" until he could fulfill all orders, no matter how long it took.  Since there are other years being sold, though, it's anyone's guess how big he needs the inventory to be before he feels comfortable parting with the first generation's quantity of trees.

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Oh, he definitely did not ship trees as they were grown.  From the reports he gave, he was using air layering and other methods.  First gen trees were used to grow the inventory further, rather than fulfill orders.  He basically said as much.  If it were a one year deal then I would say his plan was to grow the inventory "exponentially" until he could fulfill all orders, no matter how long it took.  Since there are other years being sold, though, it's anyone's guess how big he needs the inventory to be before he feels comfortable parting with the first generation's quantity of trees.


Hmm... That's certainly a speculation, however, not what Post #1 or the order page on his website advertised and that's a problem.  


I guess I will say something about myself since Lewi and JMRTSUS have made downright fallacious accusations about me in an undying attempt to chop James down. Then again, you guys can decide if I was here to intimidate people or warn people from taking the advice of people who have obvious tribal alliances and will stoop to such lows as to lie about the legal risk of filing false reports to trick people into repeating false information or leaving out valid information....

I am an Iraq veteran who used the GI Bill to better myself, I studies Agribusiness Management and Entrepreneurship. I have been growing figs fr over 10 years and planted and manage a small orchard. I have no business with James currently, nor in the past. I'd like to see a stable fig market so dishonest people will not have an incentive to mislead new members, because they are destroying the community for their own gain.

Ask yourselves why a new member, who lies and puts others at legal risk, gets more respect from these viscious ignoramuses than someone with my qualifications. Ask yourselves why they stoop to personal insults rather than express valid opinions with supporting facts. 

Everybody needs to take a deep breath here. Whatever James is doing is what James is doing. But we have good people pitting themselves against each other for no good reason. Leave it alone for a  few days. If you really feel you need to respond then take the time to craft a response that will not escalate things. 

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I guess I will say something about myself since Lewi and JMRTSUS have made downright fallacious accusations about me in an undying attempt to chop James down. Then again, you guys can decide if I was here to intimidate people or warn people from taking the advice of people who have obvious tribal alliances and will stoop to such lows as to lie about the legal risk of filing false reports to trick people into repeating false information or leaving out valid information....

I am an Iraq veteran who used the GI Bill to better myself, I studies Agribusiness Management and Entrepreneurship. I have been growing figs fr over 10 years and planted and manage a small orchard. I have no business with James currently, nor in the past. I'd like to see a stable fig market so dishonest people will not have an incentive to mislead new members, because they are destroying the community for their own gain.

Ask yourselves why a new member, who lies and puts others at legal risk, gets more respect from these viscious ignoramuses than someone with my qualifications. Ask yourselves why they stoop to personal insults rather than express valid opinions with supporting facts. 


No worries, Brent. You're still a good guy in my book, and if well people disagree.. then the hell with them, right?

Anyway. I agree with Brett. Can we please leave this thread alone? Based on this past year.. you could probably rename this forum to, "A Place to Talk About James' $7 Trees."

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Hmm... That's certainly a speculation, however, not what Post #1 or the order page on his website advertised and that's a problem.  


From James:

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The variety I get asked about more than any other is Black Madeira, which was the #1 most ordered tree, so I'll use it as an example to demonstrate.  My potted Black Madeiras started waking up a couple of weeks ago, and my in-ground ones just started waking up a couple of days ago.  My current Black Madeira inventory is as follows:  5 in-ground in greenhouses, 5 in 7gal pots, 10 in 3gal pots, 18 well-rooted young trees that need up-potted, and 11 more that are rooting in humidity bins and are looking good.  Combined, that's 38 trees with a good shot at up to 49 very shortly (let's conservatively estimate 45).  That total is far short of what is needed to satisfy all of the Black Madeira orders to date, but that is about to change drastically in the next few months.

Since the growing season for these Black Madeiras has already begun, and since I should get 30+ cuttings per potted plant and 50-100 cuttings per in-ground tree over the next 4 months, I'm on pace to have enough Black Madeira wood to provide around 1,500 cuttings by the last day of spring.  I won't put all of that wood toward cuttings, since some of it will be air-layered off along the way to help create more trees as quickly as possible, but the point is clear:  very soon we're going to cross a threshold and have more than enough material to fill all orders for trees and cuttings.  That's the power of exponential growth.  


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Cuttings season was further complicated by the fact that our trees slipped into dormancy at many different times due to having about 6 or 8 different types of environments (outdoor versus indoor; heated tunnels versus unheated tunnels; pit greenhouses versus above-ground greenhouses).  Since all cuttings have to be ready at the same time for them to be shipped out together in orders, and since I want all cuttings to be fresh when they're shipped, the options were to either leave them all on the trees (where they could be damaged, depending on the environment), to prune and refrigerate them (which contradicts my desire for freshness), or to prune them and plow them back into the propagation operation.  I decided on the last option because it seemed like a good way to save and create more wood while still preserving the original cutting; that is, once the green top of the resulting rooted tree is air-layered off, the original lignified cutting (now a baby tree trunk) can be reclaimed.


Not sure which part you say is speculation, but if you read the above quotes from James in this thread, you can see he has some BM inventory.  He's not shipping it.  And he's air-layering the ones he has and not sending out any cuttings.

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Originally Posted by hoosierbanana
I guess I will say something about myself since Lewi and JMRTSUS have made downright fallacious accusations about me in an undying attempt to chop James down. Then again, you guys can decide if I was here to intimidate people or warn people from taking the advice of people who have obvious tribal alliances and will stoop to such lows as to lie about the legal risk of filing false reports to trick people into repeating false information or leaving out valid information....

I am an Iraq veteran who used the GI Bill to better myself, I studies Agribusiness Management and Entrepreneurship. I have been growing figs fr over 10 years and planted and manage a small orchard. I have no business with James currently, nor in the past. I'd like to see a stable fig market so dishonest people will not have an incentive to mislead new members, because they are destroying the community for their own gain.

Ask yourselves why a new member, who lies and puts others at legal risk, gets more respect from these viscious ignoramuses than someone with my qualifications. Ask yourselves why they stoop to personal insults rather than express valid opinions with supporting facts. 


Brent,

Not to worry, the malicious behavior of these negative nellies is not earning them any respect, it is fear mongering at its worst. Add in the usual personal attacks when you don't agree with them as you pointed out.

And for some to take credit for the apparent movement in shipping! That it is due to their "pressure"! Hilarious!!!

Commence attacking the exclamation points boys!

Sorry, I know that is feeding the trolls...couldn't help myself. LOL

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Brent, Not to worry, the malicious behavior of these negative nellies is not earning them any respect, it is fear mongering at its worst. Add in the usual personal attacks when you don't agree with them as you pointed out. And for some to take credit for the apparent movement in shipping! That it is due to their "pressure"! Hilarious!!! Commence attacking the exclamation points boys! Sorry, I know that is feeding the trolls...couldn't help myself. LOL


"Negative Nillies, Trolls...."

Your off your rocker GIRL.

Go bark up another tree. I have a 50 USD order that is not shipped, delivered, Etc.

James allegedly ripping off people to the tune of thousands of dollars with non delivery shows intent. I have had broken ribs ( friendly fight with a lion/giant of Judah:) , yet I continued working...never went to the doctor.

I Sprained Ankle that made it painful to walk for weeks...yet I did with a Staff in hand all over Jerusalem, still did not go to the doctors.

when i was 10 i broke my nose ( still crooked) in a sledding accident...what did i do...I packed SNOW in my nostrols for hours because i WAS MORE AFRAID OF MY DAD and navy doctors that the pain and blood.

I was REALLY wild and young at 19, got drunk jumped into bonfire by accident (misjudged distance)
I put sea water ( mistake) on it, then later HONEY ( the best burn ointment, use seran wrap and you have the best burn dressing)....I was asked to go to a doctor because the oozing honey was attracting flies in class...:)  The Docs said if i did not use honey i would have needed a skin graft...

I have been hit by 18 an wheeler truck in a fiat 127 ( my fault)...

So you may now proceed to LAUGH :)....but what is the point of all this?

I have never USED FRIGGIN PINKEY TOE AS AN EXCUSE.

Lewi, you remind me of a glass, real hard and rigid but no match for something as tough as reality.

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whatever BH. The point is what James W Spermsn did, or is doing (figcuttings dot com) is just wrong...

I suspect you know that.

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Lewi, you remind me of a glass, real hard and rigid but no match for something as tough as reality.


And easily broken like your fantasy...please read my post above, ok?

BTW never said i was Super Strong ...:) Just well spirited.

 

Just to add I sled full speed at at a 10" bar of steel others had built a ramp of snow on, the old sears sled had steering and you layed face down on it...so no I am not exactly glass. ;)

Point being I did not let it slow me down..a broken pinkey toe, sorry no sympathy here.

Lewi, none of that has anything to do with growing figs. I shared something about myself that adds credit to this discussion: an education in Agribusiness Management and Entrepreneurship and experience growing figst. I was not a Marine, Wendy is not a boy, If you don't understand my reasons yet you never will.

I don't always drink beer, but when I do...

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ok My bad, Misread your post. Your not a marine. (Edited my post , or will)


So in your opinion will 40 odd figs (Many very small) make 1500 if they are hard to root and and tissue culture is not an option?

Whatever branch of service you were in, did they teach you to keep going, or give up at the slightest pain? 

Would you run a Business the way James does? Sounds like a good way to piss people off!

 

I was my platoon's combat lifesaver Lewi, they trusted that I wouldn't just save myself when SHTF.

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So in your opinion will 40 odd figs (Many very small) make 1500 if they are hard to root and and tissue culture is not an option?


Where are you pulling these numbers from? If people are making reports to the FBI that is exactly the sort of statement that could get them into trouble.

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Would you run a Business the way James does way? Sounds like a good way to piss people off! 


Your impression of how James runs his business is your own, and only your own.

The 40 to 1500 number probably comes from Jame's comment that he had 38 BM trees and planned to have 1500 cuttings by the end of spring.  Some would go to cuttings orders, some to rooting trees.

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No worries, Brent. You're still a good guy in my book, and if well people disagree.. then the hell with them, right?

Anyway. I agree with Brett. Can we please leave this thread alone? Based on this past year.. you could probably rename this forum to, "A Place to Talk About James' $7 Trees."
Yes! and we can rename ourfigs to the traveling pink pony!! What about all of the drama over there with the Genovese nero seems Willis C has the only real one and anyone contest him they get their priveledges revoked.Wow I want to go there.This is a free forum and a lot of good people has spent good money not just $7.00 but hundreds even thousands and this is our way to vent out.If you do not get upset when someone steals from you then that's your business,but this is between James and his customers

Thank you adipose. I see that was from March and am sure I read it but didn't remember the specifics or re-read it when you re-posted it.

Lewi, sorry for misunderstanding the situation, you were making an accurate generalization. The tissue culture part threw me a little bit. But what about it? Isn't it worth asking James about tissue culture? If we were using this thread to talk about growing and James was comfortable maybe it would have already come up a long time ago. If that is his #1 seller it might be worth the initial investment, as long as Agristarts agrees to give him sole propagation rights. I don't know the specifics about that stuff though so maybe you are right and it is not an option, or one that nobody would be willing to believe anymore.

I don't understand exactly what James means about propagating that many trees/cuttings that fast or what his plan is. There is no question that James is behind and has been over optimistic before. I can't say it is impossible, he is right though that figs can be multiplied exponentially. If he learned to bud graft and did some of the extra plants that nobody wants anymore would that work for anyone? It is a real bummer that communication is shut down, especially now that things have gotten really serious.

So I just got off the phone with PayPal. They said my dispute was resolved in my favor. They said, PayPal has tries calling the merchant for 10 consecutive days without a response.

PayPal said if they receive enough complaints, this merchant will be banned from PayPal.

Good luck guys, I got my money back!

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So I just got off the phone with PayPal. They said my dispute was resolved in my favor. They said, PayPal has tries calling the merchant for 10 consecutive days without a response. PayPal said if they receive enough complaints, this merchant will be banned from PayPal. Good luck guys, I got my money back!
Was that for a recent transaction or did you get a refund from an old order?

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