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Dieseler

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In asking Yahoo where to get plant DNA testing.

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hello everyone, so want you to know that I do not sale cat for rabbit, I have black madeira figs tree, and also green Also ,  you guys give or use different names for the same  fig tree, we here have lots of diferent fig trees, PS: jennifer feel free to make the DNA AND TELL ME THE ANSWER LATER ONE , I DONT RUN WAY DO NOT WORRY IF IS NOT A BLACK MADEIRA I WILL REFUND ALL YOU MONEY BACK TO YOU....THANK YOU VERY MUCH ....OBRIGADO
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How about you posting (here&ebay) this stolen Jon's pic of a 'Black Mission' fig and claiming

"THIS IS ORIGINAL BLACK MADEIRA FIG, LOOK THE PIC,..."

http://figs4fun.com/fpix/FP953-56.jpg

(repeat: row2.pic3)
http://figs4fun.com/Thumbnail_Black_Mission.html


Black Madeira fig is NOT a Black Mission fig!

I think that you came here with only (green) USA $$$'s in mind (as your very first post suggests/indicates).

Thank you God; I do have a true Black Madeira.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by gluglo
<span class="hps">hello</span> <span class="hps">everyone,</span> <span class="hps">so</span> <span class="hps">want you</span> <span class="hps">to know that I</span> <span class="hps">do not</span> sale <span class="hps">cat for</span> <span class="hps">rabbit, I</span> <span class="hps">have</span> <span class="hps">black</span> madeira <span class="hps">figs tree</span><span>,</span> and also <span class="hps">green</span> <span class="hps">Also ,</span> <span class="hps"> you guys</span> give or u<span class="hps">se different</span> <span class="hps">names</span> <span class="hps">for</span> the same <span class="hps"> fig</span> <span class="hps">tree, we here have lots of diferent fig trees, PS: jennifer feel free to make the DNA AND TELL ME THE ANSWER LATER ONE , I DONT RUN WAY DO NOT WORRY IF IS NOT A BLACK MADEIRA I WILL REFUND ALL YOU MONEY BACK TO YOU....THANK YOU VERY MUCH ....OBRIGADO </span>


Francisco,
This is purely out of fun and research. Muchas gracĂ­as. No refund is necessary, keep it. If it is not and turns out to be something else, i am fine with that too. Francisco, of course I will let you know. Though I am curious, DNA testing seems so high tech these days, I want to see if a "simple" woman like me could do it.

Martin, if the DNA tests turn out have a heavy price tag, I will definitely grow it side by side. If I do spend a wade they better throw in a dictionary for me to understand it in laman terms


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gluglo, 

there is always question regarding if the fig is right fig. even when we trade. however, thing that bothers me most is that you only post to sell your figs. why not get involved with forum and share some of you stories and some of the wonderful things about figs in Madeira? this forum is not only about selling figs and cuttings. after all, it is sponsored by a very generous man who actually owns one of the biggest fig orchard in US. 

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IS ONLY A PIC , SINCE IT BEGAN TO SELL BLACK MADEIRA Cuttings MUCH CHEAPER THAN SOME PEOPLE, THAT THIS SEEMS TO AFFECT SOMEONE ON THIS FORUM AS TOLD BEFOUR YOU PEOPLE  USING DIFFERENT NAMES FOR THE SAME THING....THANK YOU
newnandawg

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 I am anxiously awaiting my cuttings to root. I hope they grow up to be something really nice.
Dieseler

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This is a Black Madeira from UcDavis .
One is a baby i airlayered from my larger one last season from my backyard.

These are my pictures only so with respect there not to be copied.
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gluglo, 

Black Madeira is freely available from University of California Davis scion repository. most of the members have started their trees from that source. so.. no, it's not about money. i never sold my cuttings or air layers. it's freely given to other members and traded with no need for any money.. so.. you are wrong. once my Black Madeira is grown enough to share the cuttings, once again it will be freely shared. money is good, but not that good. 

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"don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill
"the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher

***** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. *****
***** and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...*****
newnandawg

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Very nice Martin. Maybe my little one I have rooting will eventually look just like that.




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gluglo, Black Madeira is freely available from University of California Davis scion repository. most of the members have started their trees from that source. so.. no, it's not about money. i never sold my cuttings or air layers. it's freely given to other members and traded with no need for any money.. so.. you are wrong. once my Black Madeira is grown enough to share the cuttings, once again it will be freely shared. money is good, but not that good. 


Maltese Beauty for Blk Madiera.. Saw your wishlist!

(I would do it, but MB is itty bitty, I will give you a cutting freely at end of season)

Jennifer

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And here is the end result...

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Oh Man. Can't wait.
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I just wish I knew how to get the leaves as thick and pretty as Martin's. Some secret herbal recipe probably.
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and to add to scotts lovely picures here are some with there clothes on that lasted long enough to get there snapshot for all others were not so lucky.
All i say is YUM and thanks Scott !!!

Some on tree Sept 9, 2012
Bakers dozen plus one on plate .
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That is one good looking fig tree and figs.
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Pertaining to any purchase you make "caveat emptor"  let the buyer beware!!

There is a time for spontaneous purchases - the checkout line at the grocery store!

If you are willing to purchase something on a whim for more than a $1.98, there is too much emotion attached to the purchase! LOL (OK maybe I exaggerated a little;)  )

I wouldn't be surprised if some people take longer to decide which brand of butter to buy then they take to buy a plant for $100's or whatever the prices are for these, especially since you will not know for sure for at least 6 months - most likely longer.

I'm with Pete, I have sent cuttings as gifts or trade - I have/had agreements with about 26 members to date.  I have paid a nominal amount for S&H, there was/is a trade agreement or I have sent as a gift with no S&H paid - a GIFT.  And, I don't have much to offer!! 

Would I like a black Madeira?  I don't know!  My sampling of figs is very limited, but the way everyone talks about it, sounds like I would want one to experience the best (according to some).  I have received some beautiful cuttings that are rooting and am sure will do well.  I'll see how these work out for now!  LOL



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I was wondering. Does anyone know the back story of the Black Madeira fig? Its a very mysterious fig to me. How did it come to be known and highly sought after?
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Jon P the moderator mentioned it back in 2008 as far as i can recall.


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I notice someone from Portugal is selling this one on ebay?  Anyone buy from this guy and import issues?
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there are lot of black figs from Madeira. however, there is only one Black Madeira as we know it. it's the one from UCD. all the others.. are something else unless they have been proven to be same as one from UCD. it's the specific name given to specific fig tree that is growing in UCD.
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***** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. *****
***** and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...*****
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UC Davis (USDA) got it in 1988. So it was around before that.


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I was wondering. Does anyone know the back story of the Black Madeira fig? Its a very mysterious fig to me. How did it come to be known and highly sought after?

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That Black Medeira fruit looks soooooooooo good:)  I can't wait to get one. 
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I think I'll wait to get some cuttings locally from forum members when the timing works
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So, UCD acquired it from someone? And all "true to name" Black Madeiras come from that single tree? That's pretty amazing. But that still leaves me asking where did the original come from. Still seems to be a mystery.
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Now that is a torture ! it is still cold in Canada you know.
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The Black Madiera (DFIC 144) was donated on 15 January 1988 by C. Todd Kennedy of the CRFG to the NCGR. He sourced it from a collector in California as I understand it. Jon or others may have more of the details of the history of this cultivar.

The ARS-GRIN.com web site lists the donation history for all the ficus carica accessions at the Davis NCGR. It also lists the actual molecular typing data/results for the DNA typed accessions. In the case of Black Madeira, 14 SSR loci were typed. The PCR primer sequences are also listed as well as the exact PCR reaction conditions. So, it would be very easy for any DNA typing lab to type any sample you provide them. I do not know if anyone has gotten a quote from any of the labs out there, but I bet it is fairly expensive. The costs are all up front for a typing lab. Assuming they have PCR machines and the proper electrophoresis equipment to resolve the DNA fragments generated in the PCR reactions, their costs are buying the plant DNA isolation kit, the PCR primers, the Taq polymerase to run the reactions and the labor. You can do dozens of typings from the original reagents purchased. As I said, all their major costs will be up front. Of course any cultivars found to be synonyms by DNA typing will generate a lot of debate about the resolution of the DNA typing and whether 2 synonyms are really the same. My personal approach is to not collect multiple synonyms by DNA typing even if others' experience is they believe they are different.

Anyone who knows more about the history of Black Madeira should feel free to jump in!
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Closet related fig on the UcDavis DnA chart is Gazir maybe i mispelled the name its been a while since i last looked and have CRS.
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DWD2 - there is some thread here by Sue in SD about the Madeira figs.  A lady who immigrated from Madeira is the source of the original 'Black Madeira' offered by the USDA repository at Davis.  Another lady from Madeira in the SD area is the source for Figo Preto (similar or identical to Black Madeira), Abebereira, and Figo Branca (which I assert should be named Figo Branco to use a masculine adjective with a masculine noun).

A friend of mine who works in the profession of a geneticist has offered some advice to the folks at the Davis USDA repository recently and she's visited my farm a couple of times.  We were talking recently when walking through my pomegranate orchard (about 70 varieties) and she said the technology exists to allow for easy and immediate field testing to verify varieties.  She has encouraged development of such equipment at her business meetings.  Would be interesting to use!

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Great comment, HarveyC!  Talking about all fruits, in general, for variety-testing?
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Probable desired fig: Smith, St Jean, JH Adriatic, CddB, Gulbun, Pastilliere, Sucrette

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Yes, that's what she said.  She said that the technology has advanced without looking at applications on how folks in the field need tools to address their issues.  In our monoculture society of most ag, it's probably not much of an issue, but there are always mix-ups and it would be great to catch and eliminate those.
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Harvey,

I would be pretty interested to learn what technology your friend is talking about. I do molecular genetics in my professional life. SSR (simple sequence repeats) is currently the typing that gives the most discrimination, most cost effectively for plants. I think I am fairly current, but I'm always ready to pick up something new as plants are my hobby and not my area of focus. i am not exactly sure what she means by field testing. If she is talking about walking up to a tree, clipping some leaf tissue and getting an ID in a few minutes on the spot, I do not think that is currently possible unless possibly in a very specialized case. Certainly all the cultivar typing for figs and all sorts of other cultivated plants that I am seeing in the current scientific literature are based on laboratory DNA testing methodologies with PCR based SSR typing being the by-far dominant method.

I do think we all will agree a cheap, quick way to type cultivars and stop fig name explosion would be a real help. Like a lot of DNA testing, differences observed by SSR typing demand that the two cultivars are different. But identity by SSR typing does not insure that two cultivars are the same. Even if you observed complete identity with total genome DNA sequencing, that does not mean that two plants derived from the same ancestor will be phenotypically identical. Epigenetic effects are well known in plants (but not studied in figs to my knowledge) and silencing a section of one chromosome can have a significant impact on a plant. Isn't complexity wonderful?
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DWD2, my friend says that they do not have the technology/equipment yet, but it has been proposed and it certainly can be done.  They would rely on fewer markers than done in the lab.  Perhaps it's something that will get done in the next five years.  I don't understand much of the technical "stuff".
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Black Madiera and Preto are still very much misunderstood. Some folks say Preto is a Black Madeira that ripens earlier and needs less heat. No one I know of has done much to test this yet. I'm going to keep 5 Preto and 5 Black Madeira in the exact same conditions here in VA in z 7 until I can get some idea of their relationship. I will post about it. 
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I look forward to hearing about the comparisons in the future, Michael.  I have several Preto myself, and if it's similar enough, I'll never need a BM.
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I look forward to hearing about the comparisons in the future, Michael.  I have several Preto myself, and if it's similar enough, I'll never need a BM.


I decided to only grow Preto. From all I've read, several knowledgeable people think they are the same ("95% sure"), or extremely close. Someone (perhaps Herman) said any difference between the two could be the result of different strains of FMV that each variety might have. Or not have. If this is true, than growing them side by side while interesting (think of all the lovely figs), might not be the definitive test.

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i should have BM putting out a fig or two this year, and Figo Preto possibly doing something. FP is much slower growing for me. i started BM as cutting last spring and FP as rooted 1 gal from a member. will find out in next few years as they mature.
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"the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher

***** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. *****
***** and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...*****
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Maybe growing them side by side might prove interesting.

If anyone has a spare Black Madiera to send my way, I'd be happy to try that too.  ;)

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Gina, better update your wish list! ;)
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Quote:
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I decided to only grow Preto. From all I've read, several knowledgeable people think they are the same ("95% sure"), or extremely close. Someone (perhaps Herman) said any difference between the two could be the result of different strains of FMV that each variety might have. Or not have. If this is true, than growing them side by side while interesting (think of all the lovely figs), might not be the definitive test.


That's great.  I also heard Preto ripens earlier than BM, giving the colder zones an advantage.

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I do have them both growing side by side.  But my BM is much larger.....a 4yr old tree.  My FP are in 5 gallon pots.  This year will be the year to see if they are related.  For those who never tasted a Black Maderia, to me...notice I said to me...it's in a class all by itself.  It has a superb amazing flavor.  But I also think Smith in a blind fold taste test could inch out Black Maderia!  But another amazing fig to taste is White Triana.  To me, it the sweetest fig I've ever tasted and Toni's Brown Italian is in a close second!  There are so many other figs out there that are just as good when picked at the ideal climate, temperature and ripeness. 
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For those who never tasted a Black Maderia, to me...notice I said to me...it's in a class all by itself.  It has a superb amazing flavor.  



Real nice....torture those without it:)   

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yes, it's a tortoue. i just have 6, 7, 8 or more months left to see if i can taste one.. so close.. yet so far away.
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"don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill
"the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher

***** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. *****
***** and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...*****
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My baby BM has very deformed leaves and dark green spots! Should I let it live with its handicapness or should I destroy it- not to pass the virus to others?
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all and any figs from UCD will have some sign of FMV. give it chance and see if it will grow out of it. my BM had that typical mosaic issue on the leaves, but they actually looked better than some others. leaves were not deformed and figs looked great, before i knocked 'em off.
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"don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - sir winston churchill
"the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - the baroness thatcher

***** all my figs have FMV/FMD, in case you're wondering. *****
***** and... i don't sell things. what little i have will be posted here in winter for first come first serve base to be shared. no, i'm not a socialist...*****
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Gina, better update your wish list! ;)


Lol, just did. :)


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My baby BM has very deformed leaves and dark green spots! Should I let it live with its handicapness or should I destroy it- not to pass the virus to others?


To ease your mind, you should pass it on to me. ;)

Or let it grow out of it.


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HarveyC,

Are you referring to this post by SueV? If not, will you please point us to the post where she identifies a woman in San Diego as the source of the UCDavis Black Madeira? As I read your post, I got the sense that you were referring to the Preto of the Madeira Trinity (of Abebereira, Branca, and Preto); and not referring to Black Maderia. Hopefully, Sue will chime in to reconcile the information attributed to her.

Until a few days ago, I had Preto and Black Madeira side by side in a large trade pots. I can independently confirm what Dennis has noted and that is a) Madeira grows better here than does Preto, b) Preto grows slowly (not as slow as Coll de Dama), and I will add c) has not been cold hardy, and d) never fully ripened a fig (it tried unsuccessfully to ripen one). My hypothesis includes that my 8B climate crosses a humidity and rain threshold that is not acceptable Maderia and Preto to flourish. Madeira has ripened a few for me and the figs were not memorable.

FYI. I sampled Preto from the mother tree on a fig trek with Sue. Work brought me to Point Loma regularly and I eventually got to sample ripe fruits from each of them. Preto, from a mature tree like that, is in a class of its own. To date, Abebereira is also very good. It has shown to be more inclined to grow better here than Preto and Madeira.

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For me it is a medium vigour fig that doesn't show the virus until mid-late summer (mid july to august) It is going into it's third year and it is about 3 feet tall (or would have been if I didn't try to take an air layer off the top)  I got 3 figs from it last year at the end of september to start of october, they were good, not too sweet, some distinctive flavour but only subtle, probably too cold for full flavour, but it was syrupy (like a watered down honey) and I am happy to grow it again and again even if I get a dozen figs this year (maybe more like 20) I will be happy to know that I will likely get 100 figs a year from it when the weather co-operates (it is in a 30 gallon tub now and may go into the 50-60 gallon later on)

I also trippled the fish fertilizer feed on it and that pushed it to really grow the first year and last year, I have 1 cutting for someone else and it shows the virus right away, mild, but still there so I hope it will survive.

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JD, it took me a half hour of searching.  I've discussed this some with Sue and with Jon before and with so much going on, I get some things mixed up about where I read them and who said what.  Anyways, Forrest has also had discussions with Sue, etc. and posted this a while back http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1275837181&postcount=60  I'm too tired to do more searching, but you can write Sue or Jon for more details, if you want.

In this post of mine http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1276381654&postcount=16 I wrote some of the same after I had read some of the posts and had some of the communications, etc.  I don't remember all of the discussions but I remember Sue saying she wondered if maybe I and the lady with the Point Loma owner where you visited were related, but I won't publish why.  I'm pretty sure we are not.

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maybe it's the east coast thing. it seems jd and dennis noticed the same thing as i did. Figo Preto grows slower here. as to whre the Black Madeira came from, i read somewhere that it came from some lady in CA somewhere and it has been in CA for last 50 yrs or more. it was collected by someone at CRFG and donated to UCD.
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