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FIg ID Please

Can somebody please  ID this fig, or at least point to the general type.
From the many (fruited) figs I have, it looks different.

I was given a couple of rootings from this tree,
which belongs to a local gardening club. Was
originally donated by a visiting master gardener.

Observed:

Earlier :  Young red eye (indicating  a dark kind of fig), also very prolific.

TODAY:
Season: Rather a  late fig (wonder how it was pruned)?!
Fruit: 1.75" (across) x 2" (long) roundish, with a rather long (~1") neck.
Colors:  Purple/brown/green skin with a light-strawberry pulp.
Taste: Juicy and very, very sweet (almost made me jump!) .
Eye: Big, reddish and somewhat splits (the famous 3-5 star shaped shallow kind).

George (NJ).
P.S. Since nobody has answered since my initial posting, I did some editing...

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Have you weighed,it.If it is 40 grams havy,then it is very similar with Sal's #2
Fruit and leaves + interior +shape,is very similar+ it splits.
Also,Color,and the fact is very sweet is similar too.The larger,cut open,fruit is Sal's#2

ps.Disregard third picture!!

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Yes Herman,

The weight was 54 gram = 1.9 ounce.
And it does look like the one in your picture. Cannot compare leaves
with my specimen, since it was butchered and is still very small.

If it really is a Sal's #2, that would be something! Considering what I went
through to get it (from BelleClare). This one was hidden under my nose all
this time. I use a community GH less than 50 feet away (not the one shown
in the background). But then again, we wouldn't have known that it was a Sal's...

Now I have to find out who the donor master gardener was.

George (NJ).

Well George:I swear mine was weighing 50 grams but i use my wife kitcheen scale so i thought it show more,not being accurate,so conservativelly i said 40 grams.
The leaves in your picture look exactly like the ones on my little tree here,in my backyard.

Herman,

Then a Sal's #2 it is!
Although I am still mesmerized  that this fig was so
close to me, and yet managed to elude me all this time.

Even the thick white rind (under-skin) is consistent with your pictures. Also it
being very prolific. The little specimen (BC#31) that I gave you, was not bigger than
a 2" x 1/8" rooted green  tip by this late-winter/early-spring, and yet through your
expertise, you made it produce some fruit same year.  Amazing indeed!

I do not like the fact that it is a late fig. My initial thoughts are that the mother fig
was pruned to ground. Have to go and re-examine or ask. Considering  that it
is a very sweet fig, the shallow star-like eye splitting, does not  worry  me that
much, I have seen much, much worse before.

As I said before, NONE of my fruited figs look anywhere near to it, and
also these 2 Sal's are 2 different fig beasts (like comparing apples with oranges).
Not sure how the names came about (maybe because the name Sal  is very
common in South Italy). And there may be more other  Sal's figs too....
I prefer the name for Sal #2 as 'Fico di Capo'  or  'Corleone' better.
Corleone, Sicily;  is known as the birthplace of several (dem) mafioso bosses.
Wonder which one owned this one, very possibly Al Capone?!

Useful links:
Sal's #2 (Corleone)
http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/figs4funforum/vpost?id=2235614
Sal's #1 (EL)
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/fig/msg101415465988.html

George (NJ).

Ciao,  Corleone, Sicilia was the town used in the movie the godfather, it became famous as the birthplace of Vito Andolini in the movies.  The town Corleone was actually a very convenient place to shoot alot of the movie simply because of the fact that Al Pacino  the actor had a large extended family still there in that town!!! Many of the crew and filmteam stayed with actual members of the Pacino family,  Thats what made that town particularly useful, just simply as being the ancestral home of Al Pacino's family.  The Mafiosi were very previlent in the area of Western Sicily especially around Palermo.  Also on the mainland of Italy around Calabria and Campania ( Napoli ).  But most credit for the Mafia term which is used much for Corleone comes from The actor Al Pacino. My friend who lives about 7 miles outside of Corleone says she gets angry when the people always want to refer to their village as Mafia, mostly from U.S. people mainly.  I will check out the godfather and see if theres any good fig tree's growing there, I bet their lovely.  I would imagine Don Corleone most likely had a Sal's fig in his back yard,  Naturally!!!!!  Ciao Ciao 

Sorry George, (S)al Capone wasn't Sicilian.  LOL
How late is this fig?  You just getting it now?
How late is the EL Sal's?

George: Give it some time:When they are young they are late like that,Once they get older and stronger,they produce ripe fruits much earlier.
I can say this fig will be a middle season,when it matures(by forth year).
And you are right ,it does.nt split badly,and it did not sour,at all.
Also when it ripe in the right time Let's say Begining of Sept,(When Mature),then the tendencies to split,is lower.
PS.So we will call it "Corleone,Fico di capo".
How about Sal's #1?.How was Belleclare calling the other Sal's?

Gene,
I just accidentally ran across a picture of some of  your (unkown, but so called)
St. Jerome fig fruits. The fruit shape and leaves (my specimen)  look somewhat
similar (not same). Pulp color and white rind (under-skin) seem different.
Can you please comment? Pay particular attention to the eye (not visible in your pic);
 my #17's have large red eyes (~1/4" dia.;  not open, but tend to shallow-star-split).
I can email your org. pic. if  ' not found'...
Regards,
George (NJ).

Hi George,
Yes, I agree that the fruit and leaf shapes are very similar to my "St. Jerome" - while the rind appears thicker and pulp color is more red.  The fruit shape and skin coloring are amazingly similar.  Can't comment on the eye.  I removed my yard tree of St. Jerome to open up the canopy.  The yard was becoming too crowded.  I still have this variety in my orchard out side of town though.

RE: Sal's(C?).
Happy thanksgiving to all!
I am particularly thankful to all you fig-crazy-nuts
(you know very well who all are)
that helped me built up my (becoming unmanageable) big fig collection...

I am happy to say that I just managed to salvage some good wood
trimmings just from the jaws (I mean literally) off a wood-chipper!

I would like to offer some;  you pay postage
(or send some good-fig-twig as a a trade).
One short/fat/good twig each person (or maybe 2, depending on the response).

I recommend that if you already have a KNOWN Sal's (Corleone), or if you
do not know how to root a fig-twig;  just not to respond at all...

Though one can never be 100% sure that this is the real Sal(C); all properties
indicate it being 95+% as such a fig - I am still in pursuit for the original source.

ONLY private emails (together with any different FF alias ID ) will be honored...
Please include the ship-to address.

And not knowing how exactly a private email works with this FF
(I  had some dismal  results with the other GW/FF),
one may use his/her own email server addressed to
gorg2[at]att[dot]net
[at] = @
[dot]=.





Adriano said that the fig shown in the 1st post (GM17),
looks like his Schar Italian.
Anybody has a picture of the Schar Italian fig?



Gorgi,
Your fig is very similar to my Brooklyn Dark in the photo. Which is an unknown that I collected from Brooklyn. It ripens late, usually october when it rains a lot. The figs do split when it rains. Not the best fig for the Northeast especially if grown in ground. Last year it ripened a decent crop and it wasn't raining when it was ripening. The figs had a very tasty sweet and unique flavor.
Your photos are very similar to mine


Yes Bass,

It looks that we both found the same unknown fig!
The big question: What is the heck is it?
Thanks for the picture.
These unkown figs are a real nightmare.

It is very different from any of my other figs
(that have fruited).
Looks like a painted round golf ball attached to a "tee"
(stem) from a fig tree.
It is a very sweet and prolific fig, but LATE (here in NJ
and it does somewhat eye-shallow-split.

I still have some wood left.
Recommended for long/dry summer regions (else possibly potted).

gorgi,

you wrote that you 'still have some wood left'.  does that mean you still have some cuttings available?  if so, how do you think this late unknown would do in my hoop?


moshepherdess,
I have zero/nada experience with hoop-houses! However, I can only
repeat saying about a (somewhat) similar experience last year. I tried
to ripen some late Black Madeira figs in a community greenhouse. I had
mentioned this on some fig forum before (somewhere). The result
was dismal; the fruit was tasteless and split. One IMPORTANT factor
I had forgotten to mention back then, was the fact that there was an
automatic overhead watering/misting system running, which probably
contributed to those ill effects.
You are welcome to try [this fig in the hoop house] for yourself...

LAST CALL!

I still have some (GM17) wood available for anyone.
First come, first served. Else, all is going compost...
Will get 3 (free) cuttings for postage (USPS Priority Mail ~$5).
Sweet, unique, prolific, but rather LATE (recomended/better suited
for long hot summer regions).


Georgi, I will gladly adopt these for use in my orchard if you have extras.


Hi George,
your opening comment of the Sal's #2 so called, I have experienced it myself.
I met a Greek fellow in Shop Rite one fall day buying a box of figs. I walked over to him and asked him point blank if he had fig trees, and in his broken
English he told me that he had  3 fig trees and if I wanted that I could go  and pick a shoot of each. Cutting to the chase, after they grew last year, I was so surprised to see such a beautiful looking fig, yes it is late but the color the taste and hardiness it is well worth it, and your pictures are exactly
the same as mine. I tried to visit him last year but I was not successful in seeing him. Having said all this I have a back up plant in my garage with breba figs on it and was wondering if you do too. Thanks in advance,
                                     Serge, zone 7 in south Jersey

Hi Sergio,

My (unkown) GM17 is just 2 year old. I will go and look at the mother
plant for any breba. I do not expect any, as I noticed that  it was
trimmed down to ~4-5' for winterizing. BUT, who knows,  some of
last year's wood might have been spared(?).

So far this specimen as been initially ID'd as:
Sal's (C),  Schar Italian and (really an unkown) Brooklyn Dark;
and now, as your own find...

But I still wonder about the true ID of this fig?!

I have found a similar unknown fig in Harrison Twp South Jersey zone 7. The fig I ate this morning was dripping honey from the eye. here are some pictures of the progress.I would rate the taste at a 4 little sweet but this is a small tree that is 1.5 years old. first fruit so it is unfair to the tree at this point. There was very little seed almost no crunch at all. Very similar to above cultivars but again unknown only identified as a red italian fig.

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Hi Al,

Welcome to this mistery fig!
Thanks for the additional info.
It sure looks like the one I/Bass already have.

BTW, the  name "Red Italian" is already taken,
and it is of them "Brunswick" type figs.

Thanks for the info did not realize the name was already taken sorry.  I will change the name Probably just start a number system.

How about a (fancy/funny)  " (x) Golf Ball" (on-an-upside-down-tee [stem]) for a name?!
I am still looking for a pic of the "Schar Italian" fig fruit
(it could be SO), of which last year, I did aquired some cuttings... 



George the fig this guy call red italian,is not red italian,but Sicilian Red.
The leafes are Identical to Sicilian Black mfrom JR,I compared them closelly,and I arived t this conclusion.
Sal Corleone is very Similar in Fruits but have a diferent leaf.
Sicilian red and Sicilian Blk,has more of athree lob leaf,while Sal C has Positivelly 5 lobes. 

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