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Just curious to get feedback.  This is at a friend's house.  I assume it's Marseilles/Blanche, some leaves are 3-lobe, some 5-lobe, here is a picture they took and sent to me of the fruit both closed and open, with a 5-lobe leaf, with quarter for reference. 

The pulp looks more orange than tan in this picture, not sure if that's an error or if that's the way the fruit is.  The figs are literally just starting to ripen this week, you're seeing the first of the crop.

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No Way!
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This is Green Italian, which is the same as Portland 3, which is the same as White Marseilles here>
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Owner has a few Celeste trees and this is the one oddball on their lot. They have no clue where the tree came from, it was there long before they were. They said they like the flavor more than the Celestes they own, it is much sweeter and more complex.

Jon, how do you feel about this variety? Taste, production, etc?

I can no doubt get ample cuttings from this tree. I will post more pics of the fruit when a good crop can ripen off.
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IMO, that might be a Marseillaise fig....but, it definitely is not a Marseille fig. Marseillaise figs are about that size and reportedly they are of desert quality much desired in France and get rather ugly when they ripen. Let us know what they look/taste like when they ripen a bit more.

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Jason, I would definitely get cuttings, if I were you. It looks like a nice fig.
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Ditto what Jon said...good looking fig and cuttings are a must.
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Sure looks allot like PIngo de Mel and no I dont mean Gilette.
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I keep coming back to these pictures. The fruit looks very glossy and round. I really like it.
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It also looks like an underipe Mary Lane Seedless fig to me......will check later to see those that are on my tree that are now ripening.

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Jason, I'm not a betting man.  But I'd say you have an Italian Honey or Peter's Honey fig.  Those figs look exactly like mine on my tree and my figs from last year!  I know some call Italian Honey and Marseilles are the same but my research has proven that Marseilles White and Italian Honey are not the same.  You have an Italian Honey aka Peter's Honey.  See pics below.  cheers,

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I have grown both marseilles and peters honey, they look more like peters honey to me.
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it does look similar to Peter's honey now that you guys mention it.
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ditto Ed!
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More pictures of the fruit.

I tasted both of these.  The one that is cracked was nicely ripe.  The other wasn't quite there, and was only slightly sweet.  The cracked one was good, it tasted like a nice sweet peach, but without the tanginess and bright flavor you get in a good peach.  It was very sweet, very juicy, but not overly "honey" ish.  Lots of seed crunch in this, but the seeds are small and hollow-ish, they didn't add a nutty flavor like you get with some figs.  Insides are like jelly, no texture at all other than the seeds.  You could probably slurp the insides out with a straw.  Skin is very thin and supple, prone to cracking when ripe.  The eye on these is open at approximately 1/4" (~6mm), forgot to shoot it.  I noticed two of the immature fruits (not pictured) that had honey and/or oozing at the eye of the fig, but didn't check to see if it was hard, sappy or juicy.

Still entertaining guesses if anyone would like to confirm previous suggestions or venture a new guess.

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You cut the fig the way it should be cut.......right through the center of the eye and through the center of the fig neck/stem. However, you forgot to put a coin in the picture for a size comparison. Your picture clearly shows a path from the exterior of the fig and into a "small" interior cavity. Hopefully, the honey drips are sufficient to block that entrance and keep the bugs out. It really is a pretty fig without all those brown sugar spots so many yellow figs seem to develop.

Because you did NOT find a noticeable "seed crunch" in those figs, that rules out Mary Lane Seedless. There is no seed crunch to a Mary Lane Seedless fig. I took pictures of one from my tree and will post tomorrow after I take a bunch of other pictures of my rooting experiments and download them to my computer.

The figs in the first picture look too small to be the Italian Honey fig that I am familiar with. Too, the IH I know has serrated edges to the leaves. I don't recall if it has a pulp cavity or not. I do know that it is a very sweet fig and the skin will surface "crack" when ripe. And the skin "texture" is similar to that of a LSU Gold fig.

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Because you did NOT find a noticeable "seed crunch" in those figs, that rules out Mary Lane Seedless. There is no seed crunch to a Mary Lane Seedless fig.


I don't think you meant for that "NOT" to be there.  


The figs shown are the exact same size as the prior shown.... didn't think a coin was necessary in light of that.  Just scroll up to the pic in the first post for size comparison.  These figs I show most recently are about the size of an old school silver dollar - only slightly larger than that.  Overall, a fairly medium sized fig.

The abundance of seeds ruled out Marylane and Jelly as an ID.

This fig reminded me of Italian Honey in flavor, but it was a little more fruity than IH I have had in the past, and the Italian Honey I've seen locally tended to be more yellow with a penchant for sugar spots, not as pervasive on splitting the skin before the eye.
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Agree.....drop the "NOT".

I will go check out a couple of very large IH trees that are in my area.....I need to make more observations and get more data from them anyway. I checked them out a few weeks ago and they were loaded with unripe figs. The breba figs from those trees taste good. There may be some pictures still in my camera of their main crop figs on the two trees.

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