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Long D'aout cold hardy?

I was wondering if the Long D'aout is considered a cold hardy fig?  I live in Connecticut and I want to try a fig tree in the ground and cover it for a few years and then see how it does with no protection I heard that the Long D'aout is a very cold hardy fig but am not positive..


Thanks Dave

I have that and the Melanzana Merdascola as well, said to be the same.
I have tasted a bit over ripe MM once and the taste was awesome!

Mine are in pots and in Michigan as you may already know.

If I can suggest one thing for you to do is that you have a back up in a pot.

Yes, figs are hardy and can spring back from the soil but that's not 100% sure thing all the time.

Good luck on your project.


The French seem to think it is one of their hardiest varietals. I plan on growing one in-ground here.

This past winter, I did not chance any freeze back on my tree. I bundled the branches with twine, wrapped the tree with several layers of thick burlap bags, and then covered the tree with foil insulation. It paid off. The brebas are few and tasteless but the main crop can be abundant and the figs are excellent IMO.

We started doing research into identifying, locating, and testing cold hardy figs, maybe 6 -8 years ago now.


The first thing that we noticed was that what the French consider to be cold hardy, is not cold hardy here, in our part of Connecticut.

From what I have been able to find on French cultivars of figs, is that the French consider cold hardy between plus10 degrees and down to maybe minus 4 degrees.

For Connecticut there are maybe a half dozen or so figs that might be considered cold hardy enough to plant out side without winter protection. Of course after they have become mature enough. Three to seven years is what most fig experts I have talked to consider mature.

It all depends on where your planting the fig. From what I can tell, most figs the French consider cold hardy, are only cold hardy through 6b. Even there it has to be planted in a protected spot.

If I remember right Connecticut has zones that run from 8, right next to the shore, to 5, were we are located.

Paul Tracesky tested Sal's EL about 30 miles north of us, back in the nineties. It was the only fig he kept from his collection of figs that he was testing for cold hardiness.

He told me that he felt that Sal's EL was even more cold hardy then Hardy Chicago. But, then there may be many more figs more cold hardy then Hardy Chicago. Even though Paul selected Sal's EL as the one fig to keep, after his testing, he still had it planted in a protected spot in his yard, and covered it in the winter with tarp.

The only figs we suggest to new growers in zone 5, for planting out side, with winter protection is Sal's EL. Which has become the gold standard for zone 5 locations in Connecticut. 

But, Marseilles Black VS in my opinion is even more cold hardy then Sal's El, and a lot more cold Hardy then Hardy Chicago.

We have only been able to identify maybe three figs that  might  be cold Hardy enough to survive winters in our cold zone 5, part of Connecticut. They are Marseilles Black VS, Hanc's English Brown Turkey, and LaRadek's English Brown Turkey.

We are in the process of growing and testing those three. Marseilles Black is the only one that we have been testing long enough, to think it might be even more cold hardy then Sal's EL.

Growth of less then one year old Marseilles Black VS, withstood a low temperature of 5 degrees Fahrenheit last winter, without any winter protect. Except for some leaves we raked over it's root system. The top 12 inches or so of the little whip, was not covered with anything. So far Marseilles Black VS looks very promising, for zone 5 locations in Connecticut.

Also, there are many factors that will effect how a fig handles cold weather. Such as, whether or not it's planted in a dry or wet spot. Whether it gets enough sun during the summer. How much fruit it was allowed to bear the last summer. How much winter wind protection it gets. How does it handle FMV. Did it originate in a cold part of the world? How much fertilizer was it given during the summer. How much fig experience growing does the grower have?

I think until enough fig growers have been able to test the other new supposedly cold hardy figs, Marseilles Black VS will in my opinion become the new gold standard for growers who want to grow figs in zone 7 through zone 5.

The biggest advancement that we made in growing figs here in zone 5, was to stop thinking that a fig could be grown like the apples and pears we grow.

Hope that helps.

Bob - zone 5 Connecticut   

As an FYI Edible Landscaping(the "EL" in Sal's EL) I believe feels that Hardy Chicago and Sal's EL are pretty much the same

I have both a Sals EL and HC EL and the leaves definitely look different. I bought the HC myself and got Sals EL in trade. I haven't seen fruit from Sals for comparison with HC because this is the Sals first season with me. I will post pictures if you like. 

I have 3 LdA trees. One in ground, one in a 10 gal pot and the other not inground & not in pot  --- all survived the winter outdoor. They were at least 20 ft away from the house. The one not in the pot performed amazingly well and I have top it as it is going to a fig member.

The LdA inground & in pot have been outdoors for at least 3 seasons. No protection. The one that is going to a friend was pull out from its pot since November last year and it is sprouting well with many new branches. No winter protection. It is a 3 yr old tree.

We have a fig that was sold to us as Hardy Chicago, from a reputable nursery.


The Hardy Chicago that we grow is not the same, as the Sal's EL that we grow.

Yes, it is said that at one time Michale at Edible landscaping thought that maybe Hardy Chicago and Sal's EL was the same. Michale has been growing and selling figs long enough to know something about different figs.

But, in my opinion this is what has happened with his Hardy Chicago, and why Michale may have been wondering if they were the same.

Michale, like a lot of retailers, was buying his figs from a wholesaler who was in the south. Once Hardy Chicago got into the trade it was propagated by wholesalers. Some where along the line, the wholesalers became aware of the fact that Hardy Chicago was an Italian Ever bearing fig. Growing hundreds of different plants, if not thousands, most wholesalers do not have the time for in depth research on the plants they sell. At least not as well as fig collectors.

So once Hardy Chicago was identified as Italian Ever bearing. The wholesalers started to propagate large numbers of Italian Ever bearing, from different sources for cuttings. I think they may have done this because they did not realize that Although all Hardy Chicago figs are Italian Ever bearing, not all Italian Ever bearing figs are Hardy Chicago. Then some how they started cuttings of Sal's EL. Because some one told them it was Hardy Chicago.

In my opinion figs tend to mutate rather easily. So, somewhere alone the line an Italian Ever bearing fig became more cold hardy then others. Maybe from growing in a cold climate like Chicago, for a long time. 

Our hardy Chicago has been growing in ground here somewhere between 6 to 8 years. It was our first fig, and our first attempt at growing figs in a cold climate. All though the fruit, and leaf looks just like a Italian Ever bearing and other Hardy Chicago's that we have seen and tasted, it is a dismal performer here. Although planted in a micro-climate here, in the V of our chimney. It dies to the ground just about every year. It does not produce enough fruit to be worth the effort. It ripens to late in the season. But, it indeed does taste good. 

When there was no other cold hardy figs to chose from, it was the best fig for northern gardeners. But, now there are at least a dozen or so figs that can be grown through zone 6.

As to Long D'aout, we have no experience ingrowing it. So do not have any information that we can offer. But, I would imagine that long D'aout has to be tested by others in cold areas before we know what it will do. So, try it and post your findings. We, for one, would welcome your postings as to how it performs for you.

Hope that helps.

Bob - zone 5 Connecticut


Thanks everyone for the information you gave me . 

Is Sal's  EL a hard variety to come by? 

I guess the french figs are not as hardy as I read, I have an unknown Italian fig tree that has been growing locally unprotected "no covering at all" for the past 30 plus years this tree is 10 ft from the road and gets blasted every year from the snowplow trucks and the salt that they spread and the tree is in perfect condition they let it grow all summer and then trim it in the Fall I didn't choose this one at first because I don't know what kind of figs they are but obviously this is the best choice for what I want to try 

Here's some photos of the tree I am talking about and some photos of the trees I have does it look familiar to anyone?






Looked at all nurseries and noone even heard of such fig.  Where did you guys get it? How can I put my hands on a cutting or a plant? 

  • PHD

Grasa, I believe the Nordland fig sold by Raintree Nursery is very similar to Long D'aout. I could be wrong,perhaps other members with more expereince can help clarify

 Peter

I didn't notice this topic back in June when it was started.  I just read through it now.  Bob in Connecticut has some really good insight from his years of experience growing figs in a cold climate.  Thanks for posting all that Bob.

I've always wondered about the relationship between Hardy Chicago and similar looking cold hardy figs.  It seems like there are several varieties out there that look very similar to Hardy Chicago but are slightly different in one way or another.  I wonder is it because of mutations or changes in gene expression that occur over time in a line of cuttings?  Is it because these figs all originate in the same region and have very close genetics?  It is a fascinating topic to me and I always enjoy hearing what other fig growers have to say about this topic.

Peter, I have several trees from Raintree, I never saw this name Nordland in their catalog either. I just looked at it, and there is a couple of new ones for this year ( Pastillere, strawberry) Curious is their arborist told me that Madeleine of 2 seasons is the one to have here  as it grows well in this area, but they don't sell it either. I would love to get a cutting of these two figs. 

Anyone out there willing to share? Trade? Sell? I just acquired several little suckers and cuttings from a marvelous Kadota tree.  Have many rooting Desert King and a mystery unknown 22 y.o. tree with purplish figs (could be brown turkey, but I am doubting )

The Los Lunas has proven itself here out of all my trees. The three that I have planted all have given 2X the crops from previous years from full die backs. Longe D'Out has been OK, but for zone 7 has not proven itself cold hardy here in the high desert.

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