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chuckchuck
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Thanks Dan. I will add from my experience with peat pots is that you should go for Jiffy pots , I've tried 3 or 4 different brands and roots have a very hard time penetrating the pots with the other brands and might die (my exp. with strawberries)
Dan_la
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Chuck, I have only used the 3 inch Jiffy pots that are shown in the picture. From my experience these work very well and roots have no problem in penetrating the wall. So, I would not know about using other brands of peat pots . Thanks for that info.......that other brands might not work so well. Dan Semper Fi-cus
TucsonKen
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Looks like a great system for providing aeration and protecting the rootball. Thanks for sharing your experience.
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nypd5229
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I screwed the system up so badly this year. My mistake was misting and saturating the peat pot. Lost every single one done that way.
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rufusmd
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Thanks Dan for your great explanation! Your fig pics look just like my figs did.
I read your description after planting about 1/2 of my cuttings for this season. The next half I used your technique. With this method I had nearly 100% success getting them to root in the peat /cups and then grow well in their 1 gallon pots . Now I've got too many fig trees! (not complaining)
For me, transplanting to the 1 gallon pots was much easier and more successful using this method.
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rafed
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Dan, Just a couple questions. Are these cuttings pre-rooted or just straight cuttings into the peat pot? And drainage, I see in one pic you only have two or three holes on the clear cup. I this enough? Thanks
snaglpus
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Thanks Dan! This year was my first time using this method and let me tell you....it works so good! I also agree, the long peat pots work better than those short ones at Lowes and HD. I am so glad I tried this method. Thanks again Dan.
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Dan_la
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Rafed, I usually start my fig cuttings in baggies. There are many good reasons for starting them out that way. My personal preference is to move my cuttings from barely moist paper towels that are within baggies whenever I see a small root emerge on the cutting and/or one of the leaf buds or terminal bud begins to open. There are reasons for doing that too. FYI, use Kleenex VIVA brand paper towels because they are MUCH BETTER for use in the baggie method.....and there are reasons for that too. Yes, there are three holes only in the bottom of those 16 ounce plastic cups. Those are recycled cups from a couple of years ago. When I root fig cuttings in just the plastic cup without a peat pot inside .....three holes in the bottom and two on the side work fine for me. However, when using 24 ounce plastic cups it is important to put more holes in the sides of those bigger/taller cups. If you don't, it can take much longer for roots to form and once they do form.......they can easily get damaged from inadequate venting of the carbon dioxide gas that forms during the rooting process and within the rooting mix. However, when working with 3 inch peat pots inside of 16 ounce plastic cups there is enough venting going on between the walls of the peat pot and the walls of the plastic cup.......where only the three holes on the bottom are needed. Just be sure to put your cups on a WIRE RACK. Those holes are not just for drainage....they are needed for getting "air to" the roots and getting "carbon dioxide" out of the rooting mixture. Bad things can happen to your cuttings if your rooting zone does not "breathe" air in and exhale CO2 gas out. The better ventilation that you can get to the "root-zone" area of your cutting...... THE FASTER ROOTS WILL GROW AND DEVELOP and the less likely they will get damaged from CONDENSATE (not talking about perched water here) and damaged from acidic carbon dioxide. Bottom line.........three holes in the bottom of a 16 ounce cups using a 3 inch peat pot.......works just fine, if you put them on a wire rack. Give it a try and see for yourself. Bet you will like this method!! ------------------------------------------ Alan, Dennis, Rufus, Dominick, Ken, Chuck......thank you all for the feedback!! It is people like you that encourage others to share some of their work. So here's another rooting tip that I will share with just you guys (don't tell the other silent lurkers!!) Whenever you see one of your cuttings that is in a rooting cup going limp on you......put a kitchen match just barely inside of the drainage/vent holes and move it around a bit to make sure that the hole is still open for air flow. GENTLY till the top crust (surface) too with the match stick. Sometimes that is all it takes to revive a wilting cutting. It often is just a carbon dioxide venting thing........ -------------------------------------- Tomorrow I will take some "summer" cuttings from another heirloom fig tree that I have found. I'll be rooting those cuttings by another almost foolproof method. Will be taking pictures to document the procedure. Stay tuned....... Dan Semper Fi-cus
paully22
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Always a plus to know more about different methods in rooting. Part of the fun in figging is experiment.. Thanks guys for sharing your experiences.
Fatnsassytexan
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Hi Dan, thank you for sharing this method. As you say, a picture is worth a thousand words. I did do some this way and had mixed results. I did get one Black Madeira from UCD to root along with some others. I see what I did wrong, not leaving an air space between the cup and the peat pot. I looked today for some coarse washed builders sand to try your 1/2 & 1/2 with peat moss method as well, my Lowes didn't have it. I'll check at HD next time I'm in Beaumont. Have you used this method for green cuttings?
Dennis, what is the source of the tall peat pots ? Thanks
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Dan_la
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Tim, No, I have not tried the sand/peat moss method for green cuttings. I have been using a pop bottle method for my green cuttings. The reason being.....that pop bottle method never allows the fluids within the internal pipeline to ever dry and/or close down. Accordingly, cuttings will reliably root real fast. For small fig cuttings of any sort (green or dormant), where I am concerned about its internal energy reserve, I ALWAYS move them to peat pots in cups.......so they never have to go thru transplant shock. A small cutting just cannot afford to have any setbacks.......... Did you catch what Chuck posted earlier in the thread????? Namely, from his experience growing strawberries....the particular brand of peat pot can make a difference. You should use "Jiffy" brand peat pots because they allow the roots to better penetrate the peat pot. That is the brand I have been using since I developed the method. I have not tried any other brand. Been purchasing them at both Lowe's and Walmart. They usually go for real cheap on clearance towards the end of summer. Also, I DO NOT try to leave a void between the peat pot and the plastic cups. I try to fill that area too with potting mix. After your cutting is put in the peat pot.....it should look like the cup that is on the right in the second picture. Re the sand......Every Lowe's should have that particular product. It comes in plastic bags and is what they use to lay bricks. They should have it. If not......can also check to see if they have sand for children to play in. Usually that sand is coarse and has been washed several times. You do not want to use a salt laden beach type sand.
Dan Semper Fi-cus
sergio
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Great work Dan, thank you for this successful or fool proof method, I will try this from now on, take care, Sergio in NJ.
Dan_la
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Hello Sergio, this method is very simple to do once you see how it is done. Take care. Dan Semper Fi-cus
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TIM! Hey Buddy! I get my peat pots from Novosel Enterprises. Here is the link: http://www.novoselenterprises.com/products/jiffy-peat -pots .asp Scroll down and choose the 3" Deep Jiffy Pots . They also have 4" square ones too. I might play around with the 4" square ones next year. You can clearly see the roots is clear 16oz cups are used. Cheers,
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noss
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Dan, How do you get the growing medium between the plastic cup and the peat pot? I tried to do that and it didn't work for me. noss
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Dan_la
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Noss, Do it this way for the first time.... -Put a DRY 3 inch peat pot inside of an empty 16 oz plastic cup. (3 inch sized peat pot and 16 oz sized plastic cup IS IMPORTANT for a proper fit.) -Use a Sharpie pen to mark on the plastic cup where the bottom of the peat pot lies. -Remove the empty peat pot and fill the plastic cup with your "already moist" rooting mix JUST ABOVE that line that you drew. -With your fingers, work some of potting mix from the center to up the sides of the plastic cup. - Place your empty (but already damp) peat pot into the plastic cup. It should sit kind of high and not go all the way down inside because of the rooting mix that you worked up the sides of the plastic cup. -Now with a gentle TWISTING motion seat that empty peat cup into the plastic cup. As you do this "twisting motion" the potting mix will form nicely around that previous voided area. Try to end up with the "top" of the peat pot EVEN with the top of the plastic cup.....or just slightly below the top of the plastic cup. Keep "twisting" that peat pot until it lines up with the top of the plastic cup.....then stop. It should end up looking like the picture below. It is real easy to do this after you've done it a few times. It is not super-critical that "all" of the void is filled with rooting mix. But you definitely want to get as much of the void filled with rooting mix as possible. Those roots will penetrate the walls of the peat pot and want to grow in that void too. Have fun with this method and let us know how it works for you. Dan Semper Fi-cus
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dan, what do you use for rooting mix? i haven't root cuttings yet. will be trying in spring. pete
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Dan_la
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I like to use a 50/50 mix of Fertilime Ultimate Potting Mix and Perlite.
If you have access to a fig tree.....you can root some now. Dan Semper Fi-cus
Fatnsassytexan
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Hi Dan, yes I did catch Chuck's experience with off brand peat pots . I used the 3' Jiffy pots . Lowe' did have the Play sand. I'll check it out. Thanks
Dennis, thanks for the link!
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noss
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Thanks Dan, for elaborating on how to seat the peat pots into the cup. :) I also got the wrong kind of peat pots . I'll have to go get some Jiffy Pots . I can use the other pots for something else. noss
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theman7676
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Thank you dan - that looks great.if i have already started with another method (well just placing it in a potting mix last week after it was in water for 2 weeks before) is it worth changing up for this method?
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bullet08
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dan, few more questions. 1) after you set up the rooting thing, do you put it in "greenhouse" environment to control the moisture? or leave it under shade without any covering? 2) looking at the pictures, you are putting whole thing with peat pot into the 1g pot for up-pot, is that true? 3) what should be the temp around the surrounding area? above 70 but below 90? pete
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Dan_la
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theman, In the past, I have started some cuttings in baggies and started some in water........just until I see roots initials develop on the cuttings. Then I put them in the peat pots /plastic cups as seen in the picture. There are several advantages to this technique. I've listed a few reasons in the OP. The biggest being.....you will not lose any rooted cutting to transplant shock and/or to roots breaking off when you later move them (up pot) from the 16 oz plastic rooting cups to a larger container (gallon). This technique WILL INCREASE your rooting success rate......I guarantee it. FYI.....this is my go to fig rooting method when I am working with very rare cuttings or small cuttings which do not have much energy reserves. I can successfully root tiny fig cuttings by this method. This method was especially designed by me to overcome some of the obstacles that "indoor rooters" face. ------------------------------------------- pete, 1) Yes, I do put them in a green house environment (i.e. a plastic bin...with NO ADDED HEAT). I have not tried in an outdoor environment under shade. That should work too. One day I will be giving a try using the sand/peat moss outdoor rooting method. If you try it before I do.........please give us a report. However, I have not seen a need for using it in the outdoor rooting methods that I have used. The roots that form by outdoor rooting methods are usually stronger than those that form in indoor rooting methods. 2) Yes, you plant the whole peat pot in the gallon container. That is the BIG ADVANTAGE to this method. The roots will continue to grow right through that peat pot as though it was not even there. You will not disturb or break off the roots when you plant the entire peat pot. 3) The normal indoor temperature at your home will work just fine. The temp in my home is usually 70 to 80 deg F. Dan Semper Fi-cus
noss
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Dan, Do you use the 3 x 3" peat pots , or the deeper ones like those shown in the link Dennis gave us? (Thanks Dennis.) noss
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Dan_la
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Noss, I am using the ones that are 3 inches deep and 3 1/4 inches across the top. These fit "perfectly" into a 16 oz plastic cup. IMO, you DO NOT WANT the peat pot to go deeper in that size plastic cup. There are several reasons for that. One reason...........you WANT TO have a void between the bottoms of the 2 cups that you FILL with rooting mix. This is an important part of the design of the method. This will prevent "air pruning" of the roots that will penetrate through the peat pot. Nice roots will form in that space between the bottom of the peat pot and the bottom of the plastic cup. So, you DO NOT want to use too deep a peat pot.....in order to get rid of that void on purpose. When rooting mix is put into that void....it becomes a good thing!! Look again at the pictures below and see how nice those roots are that have penetrated through the peat pot wall and which grew in the space. Notice how well those roots hold on to the rooting mix that was placed in the void. Look at the picture of me holding the peat pot after I removed it from the plastic cup. To me that is the desired "ultimate root ball" and what I strive to obtain when I root my fig cuttings. It WILL NOT get damaged when you plant it.
There is a picture below in the OP of the box/packaging that they come in.....14 pots to the pack. Look for the words "Jiffy-Pots 3" on the package. I've seen them in the gardening section at Walmart, Lowes, and many other retail nurseries. Soon they will be on clearance in many stores. ----------------------------------------- Update to the original post. FYI, the little tree that was depicted being up potted in the pictures below is already receiving a good dose of "early" morning sun.......no wilting/drooping/etc. No energy loss....no setback whatsoever. This is the norm for this method and not the exception. Give it a try and see for yourself. I am calling it the "Peat Pot Method". Dan Semper Fi-cus
Fredfig
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Dan.. I am fairly new and more of a "lurker". But, I have used your info on this forum and it has worked excellently for me! When you first mentioned the 3in. Jiffy pots , I started using, as the "not distrubing" roots seemed so logical. Anyway, we people in the background listen to you knowledgable "old-timers"!!!! Fredfig
Dan_la
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Fred, Good to hear that some of this information is helpful to others. Thanks for the feed back. The simplicity of the method is very deceiving. It solves several of the issues that we "indoor" rooters face. Dan Semper Fi-cus
noss
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Thanks again, Dan. Did you post a thread about how you root green cuttings? If not, would you do so, or at least tell us what you do and what success you have? noss
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Dan_la
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Noss, I took a bunch of summer cuttings the other day for conducting my rooting experiments......still big into fig propagation research. Took quite a few pictures of the mother trees. Each was loaded with figs. I almost got sick from eating all of those delicious figs. I am now in the process of rooting those summer cuttings. I am taking pictures as I go along and will post pictures of one of the methods that I normally use. The rooting success rate is pretty high and almost foolproof. Too, summer cuttings will root faster than dormant cuttings. Now is a real good time to take summer cuttings in our area. As it is right after their first flush and just before the SECOND flush. Earlier in the season I broke a small branch off one of my Rond De Bordeaux trees (lawnmower accident again) and rooted it without any problem. Trimmed a small branch from my Beal tree (which did not come from UCD BTW....so no FMV) and it rooted too. Also rooted a couple of trimmings from an heirloom black Italian fig that I discoverd a couple of years ago and only recently planted in the ground......should have taken pictures of these recent rootings.
..........give me a call to discuss the details if you want to start some green cuttings right now. Dan Semper Fi-cus
noss
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Thanks, Dan. I'll give you a call, then. noss
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bullet08
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dan, one more question. you mentioned following. "In the past, I have started some cuttings in baggies and started some in water........just until I see roots initials develop on the cuttings. Then I put them in the peat pots /plastic cups as seen in the picture." does that mean you no longer use baggie/water to start the root initials now? just go straight to peat pots /plastic cups with hardwood cuttings? i have number of hard to root cuttings coming in on feb. from different sources. i want the best possible way to root them and turn them into trees. i would be ideal to cut out baggie/water and go straight to soil mix. but not sure if that's what you meant. thanks, pete
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Would love to get some fig cuttings for rooting that will do good in Zone 5, 50 miles south of Chicago.
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Dan_la
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There are many ways to root a twig. And yes, you sure can skip the baggie and/or water steps for initial root formation and root them straight into whatever material you want.....including potting soil, potting mix, peat moss, spag moss, perlite, vermiculite, sand, regular dirt, etc. etc. etc. You will lose some level of control during rooting under those conditions......and that is perfectly fine for many people. However, I like to "optimize" the rooting conditions and rooting parameters that are within my control to insure a higher success rate. When I have a rare cutting or a limited amount of wood, I want to use a very simple, almost foolproof, and very reliable rooting method.......that is what I am working on. Most people are quite happy with a 60% success rate (as measured by actual "trees" that are ready to be planted into the ground)......I am not satisfied with that success rate. I want 100%.......and IMO, that definitely is possible whenever you have a source of good quality cuttings to begin with. This particular "Peat Pot Method" eliminates the root shock that often occurs whenever you move your cuttings from their rooting cups and into their final larger container. IMO, this is a breakthrough technique and WILL SAVE a lot of cuttings from dying from transplant root shock. There are other advantages to using this particular technique that I will not get into. IMO, it is a VERY GOOD rooting technique. FYI..........I am now rooting actively growing SUMMER fig cuttings and not dormant "winter" cuttings. There is a difference and the choice of rooting method can vary. All will be clear when I post those pictures that I am now taking. As I just recently stated in another thread, IMO Clonex rooting gel MIGHT BE beneficial (don't know for certain yet) for rooting "SUMMER" cuttings. I saw no advantage to using it for winter dormant cuttings. There are very good scientific reasons why it might work better for summer cuttings than it does for those dormant winter cuttings. I am experimenting with this as I type this info. More later......... Right now my personal preference for rooting winter dormant cuttings still remains starting in baggies and/or water just until roots initials form....then place them in rooting cups (with peat pots where deemed appropriate). That personal preference may change based on some of what I am now seeing. I do not want to go into any more details until I post pictures.... Also FYI........a very reliable SUMMER cutting rooting method is very very important to me in my fig research activities. I am an ardent and determined fig hunter who finds most of his new heirloom figs during the summer months when the fig trees are fruiting. I want to take cuttings whenever I find a promising tree and do not want to have to go back months later to take winter cuttings. Besides summer cuttings ARE MUCH EASIER TO ROOT and much less problematic. Much more on all of this later......... Dan Semper Fi-cus
Dan_la
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Hello MacMike, I see that you joined this forum today. Welcome to this discussion group of people who truly love their figs. FYI, sometimes people appear on this forum, ask for cuttings, get them, and are never heard from again. You may or may not get a response to your request. After you have been "active" on this forum for awhile, generous forum members may be more prone to honor your request. Dan Semper Fi-cus
Dieseler
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Dan i also do the summer cuttings. Not to impose here with pictures i start thread for all to see if interested.
bullet08
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martin,
i know your post was to dan, but i'm interested.
pete
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AnnieBee
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Dan, thank you for sharing your method here. Very detailed information, eliminating some of the guesswork for a summer rooting technique.
Dan_la
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Martin, I am finding the rooting of summer cuttings to be quite easy and very very reliable for many reasons which I will get into detail whenever I post the method. IMO, it may turn out to be the best way to root cuttings whenever you have access to a mother tree. IMO, it is quicker and at least as reliable as air layering.........maybe more-so. Still developing data and experimenting with the technique. Part of the reason why it works so well is that you are preserving the "internal" pipeline that already is established in an actively growing cutting. This internal pipeline has to be re established when you are working with "dormant" winter cuttings. Another IMPORTANT reason......absolutely no mold issues to contend with.....and fewer hardening-off issues. Like I've stated, I really like what I am seeing. FYI......Black Beauty 10, special Celeste, special Southern Brown Turkey, and a new found Golden Celeste strain are all rooting real well by this method. I am taking pictures of their rooting for later posts. Took pictures of their moms too.
Dan Semper Fi-cus
Dan_la
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No firm data on how much faster the method is over traditional methods. I've rooted so many dormant cuttings that I know that it is much faster. I sometimes change so many variables in an attempt to learn as much as I can, as quickly as possible...... that I get lost in some of the important details. Summer cuttings HAVE MORE ENERGY RESERVES than dormant cuttings. Also fyi in case you do not know......I am working on the development of a relialbe single node rooting technique. Dan Semper Fi-cus
Dan_la
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No. Dan Semper Fi-cus
saramc
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Interesting dormant technique Dan. Will definitely try this for the next batch of dormant cuttings. Was actually thinking last night that it would be nice to have a method that started in a cup rather than a baggie. Though the baggie technique (1 and 2) worked wonderfully for this beginner! Martin...if you have not yet posted your Summer Cutting technique and any photos, please do...I need to learn about it. Thanks, Sara
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Thanks Dan!
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BIG Big hint folks............on my latest development on the "Peat Pot Method" for rooting dem figs. I will be using these to root some very late season "summer" cuttings. Of course these will work well for dormant cuttings too.http://cgi.ebay.com/120757615547?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp4712.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D120757615547%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1 Rafed........I believe newly rooted cuttings (that were started in these peat pots ) will keep in these containers over the winter. These pots are construced of both wood fibers and organic peat . And are lime treated to neutalize the acidity. The added wood fiber gives them extra strength while still allowing the roots to easily penetrate. (Personally, I would plant them in a larger container before storing for the winter.) I will know for sure about performance in a few more months. They should "air" root prune the starts until you can get them planted in a larger plastic pot. (Can wrap with aluminum foil or burlap to minimize air pruning ...if desired.) These won't take up much room in the house....if you choose to overwinter them under grow lights. These starts should ship easy and cheap too. Anyway........ when the time comes, just plant the entire peat pot in a larger plastic pot or in the ground......without any transplant shock whatsoever............from twig to planted tree.
IMO, this is a neat breakthrough technique in the rooting of dem figs. Dan Semper Fi-cus
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bump. there has been few questions regarding this method lately.
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