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Sphagnum Moss Clarification

Many of us use Sphagnum Moss for rooting because of it's anti-rot properties.  When you go to a big box store to purchase it, you will see a huge manufacturer of Sphagnum Moss front and center.  You will have to search for the real deal!  It will cost about half of the Scotts brand. 

Granted Scotts is basically Peat moss with some Sphagnum added and some Miracle grow, so you pay for that, but what you really want is just pure Sphagnum Moss.  A cutting will root in a damp paper towel, and you don't need the peat with the miracle grow until there is actually a plant to be fed.

You want this!


Not this!


The website for MosserLee will inspire you with all the uses for the moss.  I'm thinking Christmas gifts here.

Suzi

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Good thing to point out Suzi,  But I can't agree with the brand recommendation. I'm going to use moss for some cuttings this fall, and just the other day purchased a bag of the Mossier Lee sphagnum and it is the absolute WORST moss I have ever seen in my life. I am not new to sphagnum moss. This stuff is indescribably bad, complete with numerous strands of grassy weeds in it. I am planning on returning it to Home Depot where I purchased it. I am totally shocked at the poor quality of it. Maybe I got a bad bag, or what was swept off the company floor on a bad day, but it should never have passed their quality control. But because it did, they lost me as a customer.

Fortunately I was able to find small bale of much better stuff at another location. Not the Scott's stuff as Suzi warned. If you are shopping in person, you'll often find the correct spaghnum moss not with all the big bags of potting mix, etc, but in the houseplant section, often inside the store. Make sure you buy a bag or small bale that has a clear section so you can see what you are getting.

You want the whole strands pictured on the left, not the ground stuff on the right: 

(10/25 - edit to clarify - this is a photo found on the internet to show the difference between 'long fiber' and 'ground' moss, not the mosses I purchased.)



Thanks Suzi and Gina for pointing out the correct product. It will certainly help out all the newbies.

Good job Suzi. I'm sure many are happy to read this post.

The key to buying SPM is to ask for "Long Fiber" SPM. Those small bags you get at Lowes and HD have lots of grass. And I am allergic to grass. So, I buy mine in bulk in cube form without the weeds.

thanks for the tip Suzi!

After Gina's post, I looked online for other brands.  There are a ton on Ebay!

Suzi

It wasn't just a bad bag.  there are seed heads and other nasty stuff in HD's Sphagnum.  If you go to Lowe's you can get orchid moss, which is good quality long fibered sphagnum.  $7 for 1.36L

I did my rooting experiment with rooting grapes in just a bit of wet newspaper for moist inside of a plastic tub with tight lid, those that come with greens for salad.. it has a half size wall in the middle, so I rested the  cuttings on that mid wall and the newspaper on their feet.  I opened for air every day and just rotated, one day with their feet up the next with feet down, literally they are full of callous, like I never seen before in my cuttings, they are very swollen now, so I think I will plant them... Seems that the moist and warm air beats any moss or peat.  Now that went well in less than a month, I am going to try with my own fig tree, just to see how it goes. Shall report.  

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After Gina's post, I looked online for other brands.  There are a ton on Ebay!

Suzi


I just looked at ebay too, and you are right, Suzi. There is a variety of it there. Also some at Amazon too if someone lives in a small town and needs to mail order it.

I had difficulty finding it in a small bag here. I went to 2 stores in town before heading to HD. The ag store who had sold their last bag, and a garden center that didn't carry it (what the?) and finally HD. Even HD had more than one type of s.moss - a large expensive bag that looked to be quite high quality, and the smaller bag I did buy. I just wasn't careful enough - it never occurred to me it would be crap. I noticed Lowe's carries the same low quality brand too. I would guess the big box stores carry different brands in different parts of the country, so be careful if you are looking to buy it.

The much nicer moss I ended up buying later was 'made' by a small local company and was $10 for 12 liters, so the price can vary greatly. The guy in the final garden center must have thought I was nuts as I kept comparing the various mosses they were selling, lol. They had quite a variety of mosses and lichens and Spanish moss and some weird kelly green stuff. Not that those would be good for rooting cuttings, but they were interesting to look at. :)

So can sphagnum moss be reused or should it be composted after use?

It all depends if you don't manipulate it too much, I guess, I let it dry out completely and start another round, now by the 3rd time, I check often for that mildew smell, the cutting sometimes get it first, so you wash it off with soap... and sometimes that is enough to stop the mold.  but it all depends on conditions, heat, moist, and air.

Grasa, I think you are correct.  Let it dry completely prior to recycling!  Gina, there were a few weeds in my batch, but I smoked em!  Feeling pretty fine about now.  Just put 7 varieties from my wish list into individual bags.  Weed, well, you know can be only used once.......

Suzi

I intend to use mine more than once - and as long as it physically holds up. I'm also thinking of solarizing or steaming it in between uses to kill any mold spores.

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I intend to use mine more than once - and as long as it physically holds up. I'm also thinking of solarizing or steaming it in between uses to kill any mold spores.


Excellent idea.

Thanks. In fact since I intend to start some cuttings in the next few days, I decided to steam some up before using it for the first time. Even though it is said to have anti microbial properties, it is from the forest floor and heaven knows what's on Bambi's feet. So I just wet and softened some of the new stuff, and put it on to steam. (understanding household, lol) It would be smarter to do this outside on a hotplate or solar oven of course, but it's dark here now. So far it does not smell too bad at all - sort of earthy. Steaming broccoli is stronger.

Peat moss (sphagnum peat moss is one variety) is a complex media component whose properties can vary a lot from bog to bog and even within a bog. A place to start learning about peat moss is here:
http://www.peatmoss.com/

Two scientific publications discussing the variations found between different sources can be found here:
http://hortsci.ashspublications.org/content/42/2/349.full.pdf+html
http://repository.lib.ncsu.edu/ir/bitstream/1840.16/5254/1/etd.pdf

Gina - Your picture looks like you simply bought 2 different grades of peat moss. Different grades, when used properly, can give you terrific results in my experience. I am curious. What criteria other than visual inspection caused you to reject the peat moss on the right? If you plan on doing a side-by-side test of used, steamed SPM versus fresh SPM to root cuttings, I would love to hear what you observe! 

Good luck with your trees!

Gina, I purchased the same brand - Mosser Lee and it looks like the pile on the left.  If you haven't discarded the bag yet, try contacting the company with a picture of the product to voice your complaint.  It might have been a packaging error.  I am certain any company wants to know of any dissatisfaction with their product - they want you to be a customer, and they want to make sure the products they package are indeed in the correct package.  Who knows, they may surprise you and you may become their biggest fan ;)

I'm having better luck with just rolling in damp newspaper in a plastic bag than I had with the moss. For me, it's easier to see the roots and no gnats. With the moss, I had to dig thru to find the cutting and see if there are roots.

I enjoyed the Mosser Lee website with so many suggestions of ways to use the moss.  I had no clue that it makes a good mulch!  Just mulched my thirsty avocado tree with it.  It's water retention properties could be an essential part of mulching in the hot and windy desert.  I hope the wind doesn't blow all my mulch away :-(

Suzi

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Gina - Your picture looks like you simply bought 2 different grades of peat moss. Different grades, when used properly, can give you terrific results in my experience. I am curious. What criteria other than visual inspection caused you to reject the peat moss on the right? If you plan on doing a side-by-side test of used, steamed SPM versus fresh SPM to root cuttings, I would love to hear what you observe!


I'm sorry, I did not make it very clear. The picture I posted was something I found on the internet to illustrate two different types of moss, and not a picture of the mosses I purchased. (I'll edit that so it is more clear).

I wish I could post a photo of how seriously bad the moss from Mosser is. It was nowhere as nice as in that photo. I would have been very happy with the moss in the photo, but the moss I got had far too many large pieces of weeds, was a bad color, and was seriously fragmenting. It was literally trash. It was only a few $ so it's not just the money, it's the time and gas wasted and the disappointment.

As to steaming the moss, as mentioned, I did that last night and then just let it sit in the steamer to cool and drain overnight. This morning it is very soft and inviting, lol. Any cutting should be happy to nestle down in it to take root.

I don't intend at this time to do a side by side comparison of steamed and non steamed moss. I do hope however that if moss has the anti microbial properties that I've read about that I haven't denatured them with heat.

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If you haven't discarded the bag yet, try contacting the company with a picture of the product to voice your complaint.


I'm taking it back for a refund and am also intending to write the company - which I don't often do but the quality was so very bad. Bad, bad, bad!

i have block of that stuff from about.. i don't even remember. i got it for orchid and all my orchids have died over 10 yrs ago. baggie and paper towel works for me so far. my rule of thumb is.. don't change things that's still working well. of course that might change and i might have to start looking for SM.

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I do hope however that if moss has the anti microbial properties that I've read about that I haven't denatured them with heat.


I was worried about that when you said you were steaming it.  I guess time will tell.  I have 3 bags of the Mosser stuff, and I just pick out the weedy stuff.  Working with a lot of cuttings today, and no time to be choosy!

Good luck with your steamed moss!

Suzi

Mosser Lee sphagnum is real crap, not spongy at all. At Home Depot and Lowes you can find Better Gro Chilean long fibered Sphagnum, 

http://sunbulb.com/info/?page_id=454

I'd stay away from Mosser Lee. The price is also similar. 

Some probably would not like the Better Gro as much as expensive New Zealand premium Sphagnum, to me is good enough. I use it to root cuttings, make a mix for some orchids or use it as a top dressing for orchids in hydroton sometimes.


I looked at the only bag I have purchased in years and yes it is Mosser.

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Originally Posted by Gina
I do hope however that if moss has the anti microbial properties that I've read about that I haven't denatured them with heat.


I was worried about that when you said you were steaming it.  I guess time will tell.  I have 3 bags of the Mosser stuff, and I just pick out the weedy stuff.  Working with a lot of cuttings today, and no time to be choosy!

Good luck with your steamed moss!

Suzi


The Mosser stuff can't all be bad or they still wouldn't be in business. 

As to the steamed moss, I am just loving its texture and can hardly wait till the mailman gets here this afternoon - and that he'll be bringing some cuttings. Fingers crossed. And since I would have steamed the moss to kill any mold spores between uses anyway, there was no reason to not steam it before the first cuttings go into it. :) Even if I changed something, it's still nice and fluffy and will allow both moisture and aeration of the cuttings.

This is like waiting for Santa. I'm very excited to get things set up, lol.

Figs... who knew?

I get mine in compressed bale form from Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Long-Fiber-Sphagnum-Moss-Quality/dp/B00423F8NA/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1351180984&sr=8-7&keywords=Sphagnum+Moss

It is very clean and fluffs up nice and yes, I reuse mine every year.

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