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memphis_fig_grower

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Is the Texas Everbearing and Brown Turkey the same tree with different names or are they different trees?
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I actually saw some side by side today at the nursery and the leaves look completely different.
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The reason I ask is I often see it listed as Brown Turkey Texas Everbearing.
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I'm not sure I believe what I saw for that matter. Who knows what's labeled what at most nurseries.
I have also seen them called the same thing.

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Originally Posted by memphis_fig_grower
The reason I ask is I often see it listed as Brown Turkey Texas Everbearing.


The very first fig I purchased (something like a year ago and nine varieties later!) was from Home Depot and was listed as a "Brown Turkey - Texas Everbearing".  As I started learning more about figs, this created confusion for me, too, since many people speak of them as if they're different varieties and, the truth is, I still don't have the definitive answer, but I do believe they are two different varieties and I surmise that the Texas Everbearing may even be a specific type of Brown Turkey.

Here's some information that may help:

1)  This page (http://www.texasgardener.com/pastissues/marapr08/Figs.html) is specifically about Texas figs and here's what they say about the Texas Everbearing:

"'Texas Everbearing' With this variety there are a lot of conflicting opinions. Some say it is the same variety as 'Brown Turkey' and some say that it is similar but not the same variety. My experience is that it is a different variety, although somewhat similar. There are three differences - the flesh is more amber in color as opposed to the reddish-amber of the 'Brown Turkey' pulp, the leaves have three lobes as opposed to the five lobes of 'Brown Turkey' and the shape of the tree is more upright instead of broad-spreading. 'Texas Everbearing' is a slightly better fig in my opinion than 'Brown Turkey' for many areas of Texas. It has the same cold hardiness and the fruit are nearly the same in taste. It bears well and with good growing conditions will bear two crops a year. The early crop (breba crop) ripens in late May to late June and the second crop in late September to early November."

2)  This site sells BOTH the Texas Everbearing AND the Brown Turkey and suggest that the BT is cold hardy in zones 7-11 and the TE in zones 8-11: http://www.mrjacksfarm.com/dnn/FruitNutTrees/FigTrees/TexasEverbearing/tabid/687/Default.aspx 

3)  Just to throw an "educated" opposing opinion on this, Texas A&M University published this paper that refers to a Texas Everbearing as a/k/a "'Brown Turkey', 'Ramsey', 'Everbearing'": http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/fruit-nut/files/2010/10/figs.pdf

4)  To throw more confusion on the mess, this site says the BT is a/k/a "Everbearing" (see #3) and gives a different description entirely for the TE:  http://www.durionursery.biz/figs.htm

I hope that cleared things up! :D


 



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That cracked me up, thanks for the chuckle.
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Reply with quote  #7 
Well I am as clear as muddy water on those two.  Who am I to argue with Texas on that. 
I guess it depends on who you talk to. 

Thanks for all of your input and research and links.

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I'd like to say I was happy to help, but I don't really feel like I helped. :)

The only thing I was able to figure out after doing much research (prior to your post) is that, even if they're two different varieties, I didn't want to have BOTH the BT and the TE on my wishlist since I would never be certain which one I actually had or needed!

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Well, the part about the Fannick's Blue Giant was interesting.  In other places, I've read it splits in the rain and has an open eye, but in the article here, it says the eye is closed.

 "'Blue Giant' A fig developed in Texas by private interests that has extra large figs with purple skin and amber pulp. It is good fresh or dried. The best growing area for this fig is not yet known, but it does grow well around San Antonio. It is not quite hardy enough for North-Central and North Texas and should be limited to southeast coastal areas and South Texas. This is one of the best fig selections if you live in these warm-winter areas, being such a nice, large fig."

Note how it says, "The best growing area for this fig is not yet known, but it does well around San Antonio."

Where's that thread about the TBG?  I have to add that there, as well.

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Today I saw someone from Alabama selling Texas Everbearing fig trees on eBay. His figs do not look like my Texas Everbearing fig that I purchased  from Home Depot right here in Texas. My figs look totally different from his figs.
My figs are coming out elongated while his are more flat.This perhaps tells me that Texas Everbearing could include many types of fig of unknown origin.

 

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It's really very simple.

See, according to Jon, not all BTs are really BT.  If he likes them he re-identifies them or renames them, for example Maryland berry.  ;)    Some BTs are other things, some are different types of BT (Ca, Southern, EBT, LaRadek's EBT, etc, etc.).  And we know there are at least 2 different kinds of TE, regular and white, maybe others.  White TE may or may not be TX BA-1.  And from a recent thread we see there are at least 2 different TX BA-1s.  And Jon has often told us he can prove a green fig is identical to a purple fig via synonyms.  You just have to get over your need for logic and believing what your eyes see.

This is why all figs are genetically identical to all other figs for certain subgroups of figs at any given time.

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Bill,
I don't know anything about the Texas everbearing brown turkey, but I've contributed comments and pictures to another topic on southern brown turkey figs. That Topic has pictures and comments on three (3) different identifiable brown turkey figs, California, Southern and English. To date I have not seen any good pictures of leaves or figs of the Brown Texas Everbearing. I'm currently growing a plant that was purchased as Texas everbearing, and the leaves at this time resemble the California brown turkey. IMO its relatively easy to use leaf and fig pictures to get a basic ID even with the multitude of growing variables (location and plant culture).

Does anyone have pictures (leaves and figs) of the Brown Texas everbearing that they can post?


Sas,
IMO your picture looks more like an LSU Purple. You can post pictures of the leaves and a cut fig for better ID?
Compare your fig to the following links... Note, caprified figs have darker interiors (varieties page).
Posted: Topic LSU Purple
Posted: Topic Unknown Help ID
Varieties Page:LSU Purple



Bob C,
Actually that is a better approach to the problem of naming confusion. If it's given another name, there is no confusion as to what it is. The new name basically states that it's unknown or new.
White Texas everbearing would never be confused with Brown Turkey, and it has already been linked to the Kadota family from earlier Topics. And that linked post speaks for itself the pictures and OP say...not TX BA-1  : )

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Bob C,
Actually that is a better approach to the problem of naming confusion. If it's given another name, there is no confusion as to what it is.


That's why Jon did it.  And I'm in complete agreement with both of you.  But the key to the OP's confusion is acknowledging it's confusing by showing why it's confusing.

And that last post snuck in after I read the thread so it doesn't count.

Clear?   :)

And Now I want a Red TX BA-1.  Red figs - gotta have 'em!

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Here's my first Texas Everbearing fig as labeled. I purchased a small plant from Home Depot in Texas about two months ago!

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Pictures of the leaves.

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Hi Pete,

This fig was soft and had a normal fig flavor. It was not too strong of a flavor nor the sweetest I've ever tasted. It felt almost seedless when I tasted it.
I noticed that of all the figs I'm growing this first year, it's the most aggressive when it comes to production and it looks like it loves the Texas heat. It produced my first fig this summer.
Again I'm a beginner and know very little about figs. Are you saying that it's an LSU Purple?

 


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If that's the case, then Texas Everbearing is another synonym for a fig tree over here!

Or perhaps this makes it my second mislabeled tree by the retailer!

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=1278472432&postcount=3


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I like Jon's and Bob"s interpretation. Please understand this, The name Brown Turkey is so common that nurseries will slap that name and any photo on it just to get you and I to buy it. Despite what some may say, Brown Turkey figs at least the Southeastern Brown Turkey figs are excellent. I do believe Brown Turkey and Texas Everbearing are not the same fig. Figaro references a nursery called Mr Jacks Farm. I personaly know Mr Jack. I've been over to his home and business several times. He is a personal friend. He is an 85 year old millionnaire. Great person to talk to but knows absolutely nothing about figs. He's a businessman and orders all his trees from Dave Wilson. I'm not bad mouthing Mr Jack but telling you the truth. Most nurseries and farms are in business to make money and nothing is wrong with that. But please understand this, these nurseries get their information about figs from their wholesaler. So take what you read from some of these places with a grain of salt. It's passed down to hundreds of businesses and a lot of words in the descriptions are altered because they want to be different.

Brown Turkey has a red eye at an early stage until ripe. TVB does not. My TEB is my tallest container fig, has huge figs, brown exterior white eye, amber pulp and is either sweet tasting or very bland. You have to pick those fig at the ripe time or you'll be cussing the tree. Southeastern Brown Turkey figs are not that large, very sweet, red center. There are some Brown Turkey figs that are just huge crappy bland tasting figs. Some Monrovia BT figs taste like crap. California Brown Turkey figs.....those that have been caprified are super rich and amazing. BUT, I don't know how they taste in my climate yet. I have one growing now. There is also an Improved Brown Turkey. I don't know what this fig is but I do have one along with a Callie BT. One day, I will be able to test all 4 or 5 of these together. Probably next year. I also have Vern's Brown Turkey and a Tilsbury Brown Turkey.

But geting back to the original question, I think TEB and BT are different. This is my opinion. Others may differ but I have several different sources of the same fig. Buyers need to beware and only buy from those folks who really have true knowledge about figs unless they just don't care what they are buying.
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Originally Posted by Sas
Here's my first Texas Everbearing fig as labeled. I purchased a small plant from Home Depot in Texas about two months ago!


Your fig looks like it could be a breba fig judging by the size and growing on what appears to be last years wood. You will probably have to wait until next year for a taste of the main crop unless there are some figs on this year's growth.

I like the purple red skin color ! :)

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Sas, your TEB fig looks amazing. I'm with Barry! That fig looks amazing! What's size and age of your tree? And where did you get it? If I may ask....
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Oh, you got it from Home Depot! Great find.
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Hi everyone,

I already picked 3 figs of which I picked two today and they are huge and very seedless. They get sweeter the last couple of days after the outer skin starts to crack.
The eye is almost closed. It was selling in a one gallon pot. I only had it for a couple of months. But the figs on it are unbelievably large for its age.
Dennis you are right about the way they put tags on those trees. So I'm calling it TEB/LSU Purple Austin. LOL...

The best time to look for fig trees at Home Depot or Lowes is early spring. As it gets warmer they stop bringing fruit trees until the fall, but last year unlike other fruit trees, I did not see them bring back any fig trees in the fall. They only showed up this past spring. One individual told me that if you see a special plant at Home Depot this week and you want it, you should grab it as it might not show up again and you don't know when and what they bring in. I always check them out during planting season at least once or twice a month.


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Hello,
I am actually still curious. Can anyone else post pictures of leaves and figs of a named Brown "Texas Everbearing" fig tree? I'd like to compare it to my small plant, when and if it starts to produce.
Thank you.

The best available information currently on this website?...

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There are some pics of my "Brown Turkey - Texas Everbearing", as it was labeled when I purchased it (from HD, also!), in this post:

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/Little-Texas-Everbearing-BT-Puttin-Out-6330275

For whatever it's worth, the pics in that post are from, what I was assuming, was the main crop, and they've already been harvested.  The breba's were harvested back in March/April (documented in this post: http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/My-First-Almost-Ripe-Fig-of-2013-6238214).  Now, I have a third crop forming that should be harvestable this season and appear to be another main crop.

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Reply with quote  #25 
Sorry Pete no pictures but just this info. At the LSU fig Trials in July we received a handout that listed Souteastern Brown Turkey and its synonyms. They were

Eastern Brown Turkey
English Brown Turkey
Texas Everbearing

Obviously there are a few more varietal BTs but they were not included in the list.

I'm just passing this on however I do believe that LSU should have a bit more credibilty as they have no way to profit from misinformation like some nurserys that would change the name to increase the sales or reduce inventory.

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Figaro,
Thanks for the link and pictures.
How large was the eye, and was there a distinctive hollow center in the main crop figs?
<edit> Saw the cut fig pictures in the second link...Thanks
Thanks again for posting.

Charles,
Thank you for that information.
I'm able to differentiate English BT, Southern BT and California BT. I do have a suspicion that the Brown "Texas Everbearing" maybe misnamed.

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