I appreciate the fact that you guys don't mean harm! I feel much better now. I have been growing fruit tree's since the early 70's actually, which include the figs i mention before. In the times that i live in the Chicago area it is mostly pears,apples, peach,cherries, and that sort of things, now it is asian persimmon and pears,paw-paw's, more varieties of figs,plums. I only like to grow about 5 or 6 of each variety. Because i have so many american persimmon started from seed collected in 2002 and 2003 that those tree,s are good size now i am forged to graft the asians on to it. I am getting a whole lot better at grafting, thanks to the CitrusFormup.org group tutorials.I am building my little heaven on earth. When i cleared my 2 acres out of 5. i dump most of the branches in the lake by my boatdock and now i can eat fish all year long. I got a bassboat that i bought in 1996 to be used when i retired and it now has about 60 some hours on it, do not need it anymore. How about grilled walleye for dinner guys?