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activated charcoal...lots of it!

I have acquired four 22lb. bags of the stuff with the ability to get several (20 more bags) if i want them for free. They are the medical grade, small grained water purifier type.  I placed several bags in the raised beds to break up the clay.  I dont know if thats a good thing to do or not, we'll see.  I filled some small root bags and am having success with cuttings (no gnats!).  Otherwise, what to do with it?  Any suggestions?

I recall reading somewhere that if you want to add it to soil, it's best to "pre-charge" it with nutrients. 

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Originally Posted by smatthew
I recall reading somewhere that if you want to add it to soil, it's best to "pre-charge" it with nutrients. 


I remember reading the same thing.. Only I can't remember now if it was about activated charcoal or bio-char.. Are they one in the same?? Anyway, if I recall correctly if its not pre-charged with nutes before mixing with soil then it will actually absorb the nutrients in your soil first, taking away from the vitality of your garden.. I'm not 100% sure though.. I've gotta find those articles again, I just read them not long ago at all.. I'll have a look & see what I can find :)


It would make sense to have to charge it. The charcoal itself is nothing but carbon so it's not really fertilizing the plants by itself. I may be getting mixed up with biochar here, but in order to charge it, I believe the simplest way to do it is just to pee on it.

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Originally Posted by smatthew
I recall reading somewhere that if you want to add it to soil, it's best to "pre-charge" it with nutrients. 
I remember reading the same thing.. Only I can't remember now if it was about activated charcoal or bio-char.. Are they one in the same?? Anyway, if I recall correctly if its not pre-charged with nutes before mixing with soil then it will actually absorb the nutrients in your soil first, taking away from the vitality of your garden.. I'm not 100% sure though.. I've gotta find those articles again, I just read them not long ago at all.. I'll have a look & see what I can find :)


Right.  The charcoal will adsorb small molecules and hold them.  You can soak them in fertilizer first for potting soil.

Figglet. Pee on it... Really? Is that how you fertilize things? There may be 10,000 other options, but sure, go ahead and pee on it. Lol.

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Figglet. Pee on it... Really? Is that how you fertilize things? There may be 10,000 other options, but sure, go ahead and pee on it. Lol.


As crazy as it sounds, urine is actually high in many of the nutrients plants need. It has an NPK value of around 11-1-2.5, giving it a suprisingly high Nitrogen output. You have to be careful with it though, it can have high levels of salt depending on the persons diet and health aswell as exesive use putting the PH out of ballance. Along with it's nutrient content, the bacteria present in the urine adds to the microbiome, aiding your plants abilities to absorb nutrients from the soil.

Maybe next time you have to go thing twice and grab a bucket!

Urine is typically sterile.  There are bacteria that will grow on it once it's outside your body.

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Urine is typically sterile.  There are bacteria that will grow on it once it's outside your body.


While relatively sterile inside the body, urine would still be something you wouldn't want to clean a wound with. Like you said, once in an environment surrounded by organic matter, provided it's able to survive outside the body and break down the soil, the minuscule amount of bacteria present should multiply. Your body, much like the soil, needs to have a balance of bacteria inside of it. Too much you die, too little you die.

This is a subject that's near and dear. Charcoal is wonderful stuff and I'm tooling up to make it.

My wife is a potter and I want to make her a catenary arch kiln (and a wood fired pizza oven). It's going to take a lot of fire brick and the only way I can afford them is to make them. One way to make them is to mix sawdust with clay, form bricks, and fire it. When it burns out it leaves a porous brick that's made insulative by the holes formed where the sawdust was. Only, sawdust has a lot of moisture and organic compounds that make it hard and messy to fire out. Charcoal, however, is pure carbon and burns out quick and clean so it's a lot better than the sawdust that all the books tell you to use. You just need it in sawdust sized particles. For a more heat resistant brick there are other materials you can mix in along with the charcoal. One is called grog. It's a pre-fired clay that's expensive to buy but you can make it by crumbling up the bricks that you made with just clay and charcoal mix. You just need to mix in more charcoal so it's a weaker and more crumbly brick than you'd want to use structurally in the kiln. . . So, that's one use for charcoal.

There are health benefits to eating it. . . that medical grade that you have. That's another whole subject that I haven't gone into deep enough, yet, to separate out the wild claims from the real science.

And, of course, you can use it in a filter. Do you live in Flint? The bad news is that Flint is just the tip of the iceberg. Chlorine and fluorine are both toxic, and you know that they get added to city water supplies. If you don't do your own treatment you don't know what's in your water. Buy bottled water and chances are it was just taken from a city system. do the research and it will scare you. I take my water off the roof then filter it. You can't get completely away from city water without becoming a hermit. But, you don't have to drink only city water.

For the garden the term you want to search is terra preta. Here is a place to start. My wife is convinced that the pottery shards in terra preta is because the natives were ground firing pottery and discovered the agricultural use of the charcoal made during that process as a side effect. There is some controversy as to whether it's terra preta if it isn't made with a charcoal that's made at a low temperature. Biochar is the term for any old charcoal that you add to your soil. But, like so many have pointed out here, it does need to be activated with microbes and nutrients to get the full benefit. Run it through your compost pile before you put it on the garden. And, BTW, adding leaf litter from a local wooded area is a good way to inoculate your compost with the good soil microorganisms that thrive where you live.

The sawmill where I've been getting slabs for firewood has installed a chipper and they chip all their waste now, so I can't get slabs. . . but I can get the chip/sawdust mix that comes out of the chipper. Here is an easy to make stove that burns sawdust. You can find several versions on YouTube. I'm in the process of building one that combines the best features. One feature is that you can very easily modify it to make charcoal, like this.

If you want a larger setup, just for making biochar, check this out. And, again, you can see several versions on YouTube.

So, anyway, charcoal is great stuff. If you can get it for free I'd sure grab it. With a little research you can find good uses for it.

Lots of good info here.  I found this tidbit concerning Bonsai mix:

  • Charcoal – Horticultural charcoal is an excellent soil amendment frequently used in bonsai soil in Japan.It filters soil of impurities, retains oxygen, supports mycorrhiza and through cation-exchange capacity improves fertilizer availability for roots.
I'm confused about "charging".  If its placed in an existing bed, with "good bacteria" present, it will not lock it up.  Even if absorbed, it could be retrieved from charcoal by the roots same as if it was "charged" before being placed there, correct?  

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