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Ammonia !!!

Hey everyone TONYSAC here I was just wondering if anyone has had a situation where there soil some how became full of ammonia lost 3 cuttings that where doing awesome and now I dump out the soil to reuse and air it out and it almost burns my nose of ammonia I have no clue how it got there but its there I lost my Rose unknown that I posted pics of previously the multiple bud cutting it just drop off everything and shriveled up in a day or so any help would be great thanks everyone.

Tony...sorry to hear about your trees...it's a heartbreak when that happens...you put so much time and effort into them, and then just like that...

Are there any cats in the house, they use things like little trees for targets when they spray...other than that I'm at a loss as to what might have caused this...

Here's hoping that this incident is the last...

sabotage?  (any neighbor kids around?)

No nothing like that yes I have a cat but in no way did she get up on these window sills and do this she cant jump that high and there's absolutely no room on the window sill for her and there's shades on them that are tight to the wall etc so nothing that has been mentioned so far ?

Fertilizer,like 10/10/10 have a lot of ammonia,in them.
That is how my potting soil was smelling when I applied too much and killed a handful of fig plants.

Then it seem like a mystery Tony...hope you can find out what is...and if you do please let us know.
With figs, if it's not one thing, it's another...I always say it's like raising kids...    :) 

I did use a tiny bit of liquefied miracle grow shake and feed that I dissolved in water so it wouldn't just sit on top of the soil ? maybe that's what it was but it doesn't say anything about ammonia in the ingredients ??? And that was weeks ago.

maybe someone was cleaning something near them and they got sprayed accidentally?

  • jtp

Sounds like an imbalance in your soil. Bacteria break down organic matter to ammonia, which is usually further converted to nitrates and nitrites. If you do no have the proper bacteria present (or the conditions that allow them to function), ammonia would build up. It's the nitrification/denitrification process gone awry.

That said, is your soil too saturated? Did you apply the fertilizer at full strength or diluted? It's a delicate balance. We all lose some here and there. Hope this helps.

It could be an imbalance fertilizer could be to strong its in pellet form slow release that I diluted no real formula just my mad creation that's the only thing I could think of myself definatly not window cleaner etc .

Check your fertilizer ingredients!
You'll probably find UREA listed, and it is ammonia based!
It's usually some form of urine! which = Ammonia!

You should Never dissolve time released fertilizers!
They are very concentrated!

Yes I kind of figured that.
But I figured that I diluted it enough that this wouldnt of happened, but I guess not. Hey you live and learn right.
At least they weren't anything special.

I learned the same lesson 20 years ago!
No Biggie! Live and learn!

I figure the Urea they use in time released breaks down much slower than in other types of fertilizers,
So you get an instant build up of ammonia all at once that the plants can not safely absorb.
It burns their root hairs thus killing them.

Whats funny is the diluted liquefied mixture doesn't smell of ammonia at all 

I wonder why the Shake and Feed is not to be used on container plants?  It is 10-10-10  with 20% sulfur.   Is the sulfur content too high for container plants?

A Chapman Im thinking its no good for container plants because it has no where to go its concentrated slow release and just stays in the pot etc.....Maybe?

Anthony, You never said exactly what forms of nitrogen (N) are in the MG shake and feed you used. Neither urea nor ammonium (NH4+) salts release ammonia upon solubilization in water under typical circumstances. In water, urea is hydrolyzed to NH4+. NH4+ is converted to NO3- in a 2 step process in which each step is mediated by a highly specific group of bacteria. It is well accepted that the nitrifying bacteria exist in isolated colonies rather than being homogeneously distributed through a potting soil. So, the heterogeneity in pH & other chemical features driven by the nitrification process may be very large, particularly if your media has a low-buffering capacity as is common in potting soils. The fact that you detected significant ammonia oder indicates that any nitrification process was going very slowly in your media, the ammonia was volatilizing leaving the H+ in solution to drive a fatally low pH in your rhizosphere. Other toxicities associated with this process almost certainly also came into play. When growing in soilless media, you need to be very careful about the NH4+/NO3- ratio of any fertilizer you use. You want to keep the amount of NH4+ much lower than NO3- in most cases. Slow release fertilizers may not cause problems if the slow release of urea and/or NH4+ do not overwhelm the capacity of the bacteria in your media to convert to NO3- without using up the buffering capacity of your media. That said, I personally would avoid even slow release products with high NH4+/NO3- ratios.

By the way, I would toss that old soil. It is chemically/biochemically a big mess. I am happy to point anyone that is interested to the scientific publications that support what I said above. 

Good luck with the next cuttings!

  • jtp

Thanks for the corroboration and more detailed information, DWD2. It just shows how important the health of our soil's environment is to our plants.

Hey DWD2 its Urea thats in it and wow that's very scientific and thank you for the info .

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