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Another unknown, small black fig

Really, the main reason I'd think it's BI is the fruit.  The fruit, especially the shape and the flesh, does look like what BI should look like.  Leaves are too variable, but the only other fig remotely like it in shape, RdB, doesn't have the same kind of flesh and the leaves are definitely not alike, or the growth habit of the tree (as described by Jason).

I hope lots of cuttings are available in the fall/winter.

If it proves to be IB, what are you going to name it? IBSH? (Ischia Black SatelliteHead) ;)

That would be cool.

Great find Jason, looks like an awesome fig.

If you want to know one little Secret,The south and deep south was loaded in the past with healthy Ischia Black figs,and I am sure there are some old trees all over the south.
The reason was that Ischia Black is super tasty,and resist rain,humidity bugs and heat.
Those trees were imported from Europe not obtained from UCD Germaplasm,so they are quite healthy.
It will be only a matter of time till  a good tree surfaces ,for propagation.

Well, technically, we would need fig hunters in places like Macon and Milledgeville.  Perhaps Savannah, but the coastal climate there probably would be pretty unfriendly to many figs.  Montgomery and Mobile AL probably has old forgotten trees around as well...

Atlanta, remember, was really only a significant national-level city in the South for a very short while.  Places like Birmingham used to be more important and in very much living memory, and in the general underdevelopedness of the South, attractive jobs was widespread among many places rather than coalescing until Atlanta and Charlotte/Research Triangle started booming.

There were lots of Maltas and Early Violets, too.  The fancy french figs were rarer, but did apparently exist in Ga.

I have to say that this is probably a horrible fig and eating a fig with white spots will give you ebola.  It isn't true but there has to be some way to keep Jason from being deluged.  And after you're done reading that link, Look to the right and read all of "the best of".  They're unbelievably funny.

I found it very fascinating, based on Herman's post, that a small Island off the coast of Napoli, would have so many tree cuttings make it  to America.

I grew up in a heavy Italian community in Southern Queens that extended into LI. Most of the people I grew up with were either Sicilian or Napolitan.

Even while growing up and visiting Italia we would go to Sorrento, up and down the Amalfi coast. Growing up in the shadow of Mt Vesuvius, my father never once uttered the name of Ischia.

So I find it very fascinating that so many from the island made it to the South.

Dominick:It was that we had luck,because of an well to do ,English nursery Owner that visited the Island in the 18th Century,and he brought cuttings of a handful of figs off the island.
They did have name other than Ischia but he lost the tags ,on his way to England and so when they fruited ,he tagged them Ischia ,Black Green and white,and possible Yellow,I am not sure,about last one.
From England they made their way here to the US,later.

Thanks- Now it makes more sense.

Dominick:Ischia Island is world renown for Hot mineral spring  bath,that is good for people with degenerative bone disease, AND RHEUMATISM,but only the rich people of Europe go there to take advantage of them.
I would like to go there ,as it would be good for my sciatica and my back surgery recovery,but ,When I save enough money,LOL.
There are 2 islands well known in that area,The Capri island,that is  made for lovers,and the Ischia Island ,that is visited by old F--ts.

Yeah I have read that on the internet. Play ground of the European rich.

Why does every one talk about condit being the end all be all? He only wrote about what he saw in Cali. Even that was wrong most of the time. What about Vallese, Eisen, Baud,Pons or Bauwens? These men traveled and looked and studied. Condit  kinda picked up seeds and planted them. I will an O'Rouk hybred over a condit any day. All he did was copy what others wrote 45 years befor him.

How did he describe figs in Italy from his couch in Cali? 

Dan, think you nailed what I was just going to say. AMEN Brother

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Herman, when we visited Capri 2 years ago, my wife went shopping for handbags and I went off exploring the terrain for fig trees. I came across several huge fig trees on private properties that were reachable from the side-walk. I couldn't help myself and snagged a few cuttings. Unfortunately, they did not root but I still have great memories of that day.
We did not get a chance to go to Ischia. There are inexpensive day tours for both islands, Sorrento and many other nearby beautiful locations... a true fig heaven. 
Next time we visit the Amalfi coast we will definitely go to Ischia and you can guess what I will be doing while my wife hunts for bags.

Frank

Dan,

Apparently you did not read post #56. Here are a few more reasons that may help you understand: http://www.raysfiginfo.com/newyank.html  . It's easy for backyard gardeners like us to tear down an expert when you don't have to worry about little things like evidence, provenance or documentation.

Frank:Fig tree lives a long time,I am sure there are more of those fig trees on that island right now.
To Dan:Yes ,O'Rourke hybrids,are indeed selected,one can see ,selection work was done there,and that is WHY ,all of them are at least satisfactory,in taste and flavor,and most of them are super tasty.

Unfortunately the backyard gardeners are growing more than one fig now adays and making our own observations his method of describing leaves is great. But for an expert he sure made quite a few mistakes. I'm sorry but some people feel like he's the fig messiah.

Nelson:Amen to that!
What my problem with Ira Condit is,here I will explain.
As educated as he was,being in his position as decider,when the Great Britain,send,to UCD,cuttings from the Entire collection,the Royal Horticultural Society had,he ordered the cuttings to be grafted to existent older Caprifig,in multiple numbers on one tree,in order to make fruits so he can get pollinated fruits and so new Hybrids out of them.
When that was done every branch that grew was infected with Fig Mosaic virus.
How hard would have been to just root and plant the cuttings ,that later would have become clean trees,and if some would have been very good like Black Ischia,just spread them around to Farmer,willing to grow a Orchard.
After that was done ,then he would have experimented as much as he wanted,When USA was planted with superior cultivars.
The way he acted seem to be ,intentional,to infest the cuttings so nobody will be able to grow those cultivars,and so to be obligated to grow his hybrids,which by the way were planted from seeds in ground and even tho in California do not have the cocktail of Viruses that the cultivars from England does have.
I know it as a fact because I grew many of his hybrids and they grow very well,and they are healthy.

It's very cool to find a tree right in your neighborhood.  I haven't seen any here in my area, at least growing in the ground.  There are a lot of Italian families in the next borough over.  I did hear a story from a colleague about an older Italian man carting his trees outdoors earlier in the season.  I'm looking forward to going back to NYC to keep an eye out for their trees.

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Dan,

Apparently you did not read post #56. Here are a few more reasons that may help you understand: http://www.raysfiginfo.com/newyank.html  . It's easy for backyard gardeners like us to tear down an expert when you don't have to worry about little things like evidence, provenance or documentation.


Ruben, Completely missed post #56 didn't realize he had actually gone into other contries to do research. Lesson learned read before you post lol.

Is there any speculation what Black Ischia really might be in name on the island or elsewhere?  I find it hard to believe that only one person ever brought it off the island.  While the answers may be varied, maybe it is possible that someone knows what it's called without knowing what it's called.

Herman -

Totally off-topic, I just noticed that almost all of your posts have the word "Ischia" hotlinked to SurfCanyon with search suggestions.

SurfCanyon is a browser add-on that a lot of people see as "bad".  If it's not something you are aware is on your computer, instructions to remove it are here:

http://www.surfcanyon.com/faq.jsp#q4

It is OK Jason:It comes with Mozilla Firefox browser,I like it because if I want to by something off a seller,it tells me other places I can get the item ,sometimes for much less money.
It compare prices,for a said Item.

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