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I got an email yesterday with an " Update on fig orders and refund request. " Says they are behind and won't take any more riders until current orders have shipped. Says he is very sorry that it is taking so long to grow and ship these orders. Says orders will start shipping around Nov. 1st". Mike South Jersey I am just forwarding the info I received because of the trees I ordered
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Look like he is making some progress on his fig orchard...I wish that he can fulfill all of the orders, but I do not think that it will be this or next year, judging from the large amount of orders in queue and the specifics of the orders with respect to those slow growing cultivars.  Good luck to y'all.
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On 8/15/17 I received an email from Green Fin Nursery saying "We are behind on fig tree orders and will not be taking any more until all current orders have shipped.  I am very sorry that it is taking so long to grow and ship these orders. . . . cuttings orders are expected to ship out starting around November 1st."

The message also says, "If you have requested a refund and have not yet received it, please send a new email request to greenfingardens@gmail.com with REFUND in the subject, and please include your name, current mailing address, and refund amount."

Hope this helps!

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Man if he would just search his inbox for any email titled REFUND he'd have a place to start on that list...
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Most people that I've met who love to grow figs are generous to a fault. That's probably why GreenFin Garden's order backlog happened in the first place. Like MikeSJ, I made an order, received the same email message. I believe they are working as hard as they can to fill orders and make customers happy even though some fig varieties that were sold last year are slow growing cultivars as schang mentioned in his comment. I agree with figeater, let's give him a chance.
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After receiving the email from James (GreenFin) I requested a refund after in hopes that I would get some sort of response and I did. He emailed me and explained why he has not been able to fulfill orders. He said the refunds would take time (2-3 months) and that he would have to sell what he has in order to fill those requests. I don't know if he is being truthful or honest but I would hope that at least he has some business sense to figure out a way to do right by those, like me, who trusted him and his business.



 

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I just saw some of his Video updates on his Youtube Channel.




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Maybe he omitted it from the video but I didn't see any fig trees that looked like they were getting ready to ship. Looks like he grew out all of the ones from previous videos and will use that growth to take cuttings this fall. There's no way he is planning on shipping those large containers of fig trees. That would cost him a fortune.
Looks like he is doing a nice job building his orchard with everyone's trees. Unfortunately I cant imagine anyone would be interested in buying cuttings or trees from him after this fiasco so all of this work may have been for nothing. Hasn't even bothered to come by and post an update for folks here or respond to any questions.

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The only problem I have is that he's letting figs grow on the trees. To me, that seems to be a bad idea for a nursery operation. Energy that could be used to put more growth on is going to the fruit. Then again, the labor to pick all the figlets off would be immense.

Things in the video look good. I'm still betting/hoping figs get shipped this fall or winter.

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I think you'd want to grow figs on the tree's just to verify they are what you
think they are.Unless they come to me from an unimpeachable source that's
what I do.

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HE IS A REAL PEACH OF A GUY!  FEEL SORRY FOR HIM, REALLY?  HOW ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT LOST MONEY ON THIS?
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I got the same email from greenfin. I responded with a refund request. He responded back with a long explanation that he does not have the ability to provide any refunds. He claims that he is still taking orders so that can get money to provide refunds on previous orders.
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This is part of the email pertaining to refunds:

"So after putting in about 7,000 hours of hard work (70-100 hrs/wk, every day with no days off ever), not only didn't I make money, I'm actually at a large loss. As things currently stand I have a large number of extra fig trees (beyond those reserved for remaining customers), and I have to sell those extra trees to raise money for refunds and for shipping out the remaining orders (all the shipping money that I had set aside for those orders was sucked up by refund requests). So hopefully I can get you and everyone else taken care of sometime in the next 2-3 months as I sell them off. "
James/Greenfin Gardens
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How the heck does he have extra fig trees that he says he has to sell when he hasn't shipped out a single order?
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Got the same email.  It seems he's trying to say that to refund money, he has to sell some of the trees that were cancelled.
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At least you're getting emails. I'm not even getting that.
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I'm not getting any emails either. I ordered In Dec, 2015.
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I was not on the mailing list.  But after the latest message, I did request a refund.  That's when he replied to me with the same email posted in this thread.
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I think he planned early on to sell those trees at a higher price. He put people off to keep making more cuttings and more trees with the infrastructure he created by the use of the interest free money. Now it's up to the community if they are going to perpetuate the scam by buying the trees he is planning to liquidate.
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If you look at his shipping video he did you can see the figs he had planned to sell were all in cups. Maybe 16 oz.. Looks like he's up potted all of those into at least 1-2 gallon. I'm pretty sure those are not the ones he is shipping.
In the 2 latest videos he did a great job showing off his fig orchard. Not a word about the trees he has for everyone else. After re watching the first video I did see a few bins with the trees in cups but they look horrible and there is no where near enough to fill orders.
My guess is he will take cuttings this fall and start some new trees over the winter and maybe ship in the spring.
I do feel sorry for all of you that have waited this long.

As with any under capitalized business, you have to grow your way into becoming a larger business. Growth to fast usually ends in disaster.
Then we have this
"and I have to sell those extra trees to raise money for refunds and for shipping out the remaining orders (all the shipping money that I had set aside for those orders was sucked up by refund requests). So hopefully I can get you and everyone else taken care of sometime in the next 2-3 months as I sell them off. "
Unless he is selling them locally I cant imagine him selling them off. It also sounds like he cant ship unless he finds some money from someplace.
Lesson learned here. In the future buy from people who have the stock to sell you. If your going to be a seller, only sell what you have in stock. Do not accept money for future production.

If he would have done this he could have shipped all those trees he had in the spring.

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2-3 MONTHS to get your money back?  It sounds like you've entered the next phase of the scam.  MY money is on there being another "excuse" in 3 months time...
I haven't bought anything from this guy, because I first checked this forum before making any purchases, and just the uncertainty around this seller caused me to steer clear.  If it's questionable, it's not worth my time or money.  I am sorry and hopeful for those who have lost time, money and sanity on this seller.  But at some point, you have to realize you've been had, and likely aren't going to get your money back, and IMO taking a legal course of action may be prudent, or at least worth looking into.  If for no other reason than to prevent others from falling prey to this scam as well.  If growing and selling figs is his business, he's a worse businessman than Trump and should consider another line of work.

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Hey, man, please don't bring Trump onto this forum!
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So he got an interest free loan



So why do you care? Since you have not spent a penny?

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It wasn't an interest free loan. If you read James's response, it's more like kiting checks.
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This is not check kiting. All the money is good. Simply theft by deception. Whether he intended to steal from everyone from the get go is a different story, and completely negligible.
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Madoff did the same thing. Withdrawals were paid by new monies that were invested. Ponzi.

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This is part of the email pertaining to refunds:

"So after putting in about 7,000 hours of hard work (70-100 hrs/wk, every day with no days off ever), not only didn't I make money, I'm actually at a large loss. As things currently stand I have a large number of extra fig trees (beyond those reserved for remaining customers), and I have to sell those extra trees to raise money for refunds and for shipping out the remaining orders (all the shipping money that I had set aside for those orders was sucked up by refund requests). So hopefully I can get you and everyone else taken care of sometime in the next 2-3 months as I sell them off. "
James/Greenfin Gardens
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This isn't good. I only bought a few trees and paid in Dec. 2015. Never received one email from him. Sounds like the reason why nothing is getting shipped is because he doesn't have the shipping costs to pay for it.
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This isn't good. I only bought a few trees and paid in Dec. 2015. Never received one email from him. Sounds like the reason why nothing is getting shipped is because he doesn't have the shipping costs to pay for it.


I also ordered a few trees in Dec 2015 which I have never received... But that wasn't my first order from James, back in Sept of the same year I ordered cuttings from him, for which I promptly received. He was even good about replying to my emails when I asked him to change my shipping address. The fact that I've ordered from him in the past, and my next order was followed up with a non-delivery (and possible theft of my money) has left me completely perplexed by this whole situation.

If all it takes is a small additional charge for shipping to ensure I finally get my plants, in theory I'd be fine with that. Unfortunately due to his lack of communication and constant delays/excuses he may have burned off any trust this community has in him as a business owner.

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Supposing that were true, do you think he would ship you your trees if you sent him the shipping costs?

My problem with the situation is, trees only remain small and in cups for so long.  Once they grow too big, the option of shipping bare-root trees in a cup has disappeared.  So the window is constantly opening and closing as he goes through grow cycles.  Any maybe different trees are ready at different times.  The plan of shipping them all together to save on shipping may just not be feasible.

I'm not suggesting anyone plan to put any more money into this, obviously.  Just curious what he would say if you offered.

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I got the same email from greenfin. I responded with a refund request. He responded back with a long explanation that he does not have the ability to provide any refunds. He claims that he is still taking orders so that can get money to provide refunds on previous orders.


sounds like a ponzi scheme

I'm still waiting on my December 2015 order...

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Fidgeater- You are nothing here but a Troll..
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Hell of a business model.. I can offer refunds and ship out orders if only more people would order from me and send me more money?

For those of you that already have an order in you really have no choice but to wait.
Here's an idea though. If you have a substantial amount of money already into this than maybe try contacting him to see what it would take to ship your order. If its only an extra 15 or 20 bucks it might be worth the extra shipping fee to get your stuff shipped.

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STOP throwing good money after bad!
Everyone paid for S&H once already?!?
Where has that gotten anyone these
last couple of YEARS?!? 

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anyone get a hold of him lately? I tried emailing him a week ago asking for updates on when trees should ship, but no reply...
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I don't think many of us are even trying to contact him anymore.
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Ponzi scheme! Enough said!
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but, but...there's a video and all!
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Based on his last update, there seems to be some significant fig wood being grown of a number of varieties.... That wood will come to market in some manner and likely priced to recoup losses as quickly as possible... certainly not at $7 a tree... but sold under what identity is the question... I would imagine that a new selling identity would be needed since the current identity is somewhat tarnished and baggage laden. Perhaps an intermediary to "launder" the fig wood through? Will be interesting to watch...
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I think he made it clear that he cant ship due to to many refunds. Now he needs to sell more trees so he can ship the originals. Maybe he will sell cuttings this fall. If he does, maybe everyone can ask him to ship first and we will send the money later. Like in 2 years.
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And people are going to trust his varieties are true to type after this?
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ALERT!

Check out the website. 3 gallon trees for sale. Getem while they're hot.

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OH SNAP! What are the cheerleaders gonna say now! This 'gonna be EPIC!
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Aww thats nice of him to give you back the cuttings if pruned to fit in the box ... he's such a trustworthy guy i TotAlly believe he wont use it to propagate trees to fulfill previous orders since 2015 ... also i Love how s&h is 60 even if you buy only 1.... he cares about the customers not wasting money that he encourages you to buy 2 plants from him.... This GUY is a JOKE !!! BUYERS BEWARE
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This is not check kiting. All the money is good. Simply theft by deception. Whether he intended to steal from everyone from the get go is a different story, and completely negligible.

You're right about it not being check kiting, but it's also not theft by deception.  Nefarious intent isn't negligible, it is required, and the fact of the matter is that my intentions have been nothing but good this entire time, and there has never been any intent to deceive or to steal anything whatsoever. 

This is simply a case of me being way behind on my estimated delivery dates due to a series of difficult setbacks.  My estimated delivery dates were always my honest best estimates given all the information available to me at the time, and they would have been accurate if not for unanticipated problems that derailed them.  Those dates were only estimates, not promises; the only promise I made was that I wouldn't quit, and I have absolutely kept that promise. 

I stopped communicating in April because it took every bit of time and energy I had to keep everything alive and growing, and also because if I hadn't blocked out all the nonstop hateful emails/pm's/phone calls, I might have been too tempted to spit the bit and quit.  Was it a mistake to not even post updates?  Yes.  The haters still would have hated, but the good folks out there would have appreciated it, and I feel bad about letting them down.  

I have given my word that I'll keep working in good faith until everyone gets their stuff (yes you can do substitutions) or their refund, whichever they want, and I continue to stand by it.

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Based on his last update, there seems to be some significant fig wood being grown of a number of varieties.... That wood will come to market in some manner and likely priced to recoup losses as quickly as possible... certainly not at $7 a tree... but sold under what identity is the question... I would imagine that a new selling identity would be needed since the current identity is somewhat tarnished and baggage laden. Perhaps an intermediary to "launder" the fig wood through? Will be interesting to watch...

That wood is going towards the late orders ($7 trees, late orders for other trees, and late orders for cuttings), just like it should.

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i Love how s&h is 60 even if you buy only 1.... he cares about the customers not wasting money that he encourages you to buy 2 plants from him

UPS charges the same regardless of whether there are 1 or 2 plants in the box.  They're charging for the box, not the contents.  Shipping 3gal size plants is expensive.

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And people are going to trust his varieties are true to type after this?

I suppose that the people who were deceived by the long-running smear/defamation campaign against me might also be tricked into having unreasonable doubts about my varieties.  That is one of the chief goals of the smear campaign, is it not?

But I bet all the good folks out there who see through the smear campaign will continue to think for themselves and judge appropriately. 

Is my collection of ~250 varieties perfect?  I would probably wager that a mislabeled variety might have come in at some time and escaped my notice, same as what happens to every other collector.  But I certainly tried to mitigate against that by getting source material from the very best sources (~95% is from Harvey, Jon, drivewayfarmer, herman2, and kk), by getting important material from many different sources to allow for comparison (i.e. getting Black Madeira from 6 different sources, etc), and by researching/comparing online as much as possible. 

I've spent a ton of money on quality material (probably close to $20,000 with Harvey alone), and I certainly wouldn't have gone to such lengths if I didn't highly value accuracy.

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Well, like I said about your intent, that's another story, and I didn't try to tell your story which I think was fair and much nicer than many other things said or inferred about you. If you don't like that I said this whole situation could be considered theft by deception, well come on, look at the situation. It would serve you better to start shipping orders from 2015,2016, & 2017 before we get to a new year, than worrying about these comments.
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I'm still happily awaiting delivery of my order. No worries!
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I suppose that the people who were deceived by the long-running smear/defamation campaign against me might also be tricked into having unreasonable doubts about my varieties.  That is one of the chief goals of the smear campaign, is it not?

But I bet all the good folks out there who see through the smear campaign will continue to think for themselves and judge appropriately.

A long running smear campaign??? Really???
In addition to, at minimum, being incompetent at starting/expanding a business... it appears delusions are now working their way into the increasingly elaborate excuses! A complicated, long running effort to discredit a honest and responsive vendor... NO!!! Please! If we had heard about even a small percentage if shipments going out, well at least we could see effort. I was refunded my purchase amount SO I have been quiet BUT seeing this post about the dedicated long running effort to discredit this vendor literally made me chuckle up some sodađŸ˜‚

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