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Any old fig out there grown from cutting?

Is there an old tree that you have grown exclusively from cutting(not grafter on wild rootstock)?
What is its age?

I have 2 trees about 5 years old that are from cuttings, Hardy Chicago and Celeste. Why do you ask?

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Originally Posted by GeneDaniels
I have 2 trees about 5 years old that are from cuttings, Hardy Chicago and Celeste. Why do you ask?


I want to know the range of the age of a tree growing from a cutting.
So basically i am seeking to hear from trees that are very old.
Do you know of any tree grown from cutting that has made it to a ripe age of more than 50 years?

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Lot's of the old 'family' trees are likely to have been from cuttings, brought over by the original immigrant.  But, due to the age of these trees it's likely that not only is the actual variety unknown, but the exact details of it's history, especially it's early history are also lost.

Most trees out there of known variety in fig orchards all over the world are propagated from cuttings.  They are not grown from seed, and commercially it is easier to grow lots of trees from cuttings than airlayers or groundlayers.

Maybe echoing what was said earlier, there is no "wild rootstock" in most of the U.S.  Where there is no fig wasp, the only choices would be (a) clones from cuttings or layers, and (b) trees grown from seeds after artificial insemination.  I think it's safe to say that 99% of the trees east of the Mississippi are clones, started either from a cutting or a layer.  

So in the vast majority of the U.S., growing from seed is very rare and wild seed doesn't exist.  Of course, grafts may have been added to the cloned wood stock.

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I think it's safe to say that 99% of the trees east of the Mississippi are clones, started either from a cutting or a layer.  


Especially in the inland areas of the eastern/northeastern states (NY, NJ, PA, VA, MD, DE, OH, etc...)

What difference does it make if a pioneer family brought cuttings or trees?  East Texas was originally populated by migration from the Southeastern states of America, the Italians, Greeks, and others came through the Port of Galveston, and the Spanish missionaries came from Mexico and California bringing trees and cuttings.  Most of East Texas was settled by the immigrants in the early 1820's so there are some really old tree "Bloodlines"

With all that said, what difference does it make?  I do not understand your question.

What difference does it make if a pioneer family brought cuttings or trees?  East Texas was originally populated by migration from the Southeastern states of America, the Italians, Greeks, and others came through the Port of Galveston, and the Spanish missionaries came from Mexico and California bringing trees and cuttings.  Most of East Texas was settled by the immigrants in the early 1820's so there are some really old tree "Bloodlines"

With all that said, what difference does it make?  I do not understand your question.

I think he is asking if trees grown from cuttings last as long as trees grown from seed. 

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Originally Posted by livetaswim06
I think he is asking if trees grown from cuttings last as long as trees grown from seed. 


Yes.Exactly,
Can they make it to 50 years old or more.
What is your oldest tree that you have grown from cuttings?

<< Can they make it to 50 years old or more. >>

My implication was that you could answer your question by looking at all the oldest trees in areas of the U.S. where there is no fig wasp.  Those trees would almost certainly have been cuttings or air layers.  

<< What is your oldest tree that you have grown from cuttings? >>

Maybe better asked "What is the oldest tree that your ancestors have grown from cuttings?"  

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The question isn't really whether or not a tree from a cutting can survive for 50+ yrs, but rather are there any 50+ yr old trees in areas that can't support pollination by the wasp (seed production).  I'm sure that there are ROOTS that are more than 50 yrs old that were from cuttings, but as for the trunk/tree itself...probably not all that many.

Let's use 50 yrs for an example.  Since 1967 most of the northern hemisphere, at one point or another has experienced at least one severe winter that would have severely damaged or killed (to the ground) most figs.

I am pretty sure there are numerous trees in the pacific NW that are well over 50 years old. I have myself seen trees near me (Seattle) that the owner told me were 40+ years old that were never killed by frosts. I believe there is atleast one 100 year old tree in Tacoma. 
And we dont have the wasp.





 

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I am pretty sure there are numerous trees in the pacific NW that are well over 50 years old. I have myself seen trees near me (Seattle) that the owner told me were 40+ years old that were never killed by frosts. I believe there is atleast one 100 year old tree in Tacoma. 
And we dont have the wasp.





 


The PNW is one area with figs that may escape the freeze to the ground and start over that's going to hit most of the rest of the US outside CA and the Gulf coast.   CA and the Gulf Coast areas probably have way more trees from cuttings than seedling, anyway, so they'd count for 'old' trees, too.

The problem is documentation.

hi I have two desert kings one 45 years old from a cutting and one that's 20 years old from the first tree the tree that I got the first one from I'm sure is still alive.

My first fig tree is one that I started from cuttings taken from my grandparents' fig tree. I took the cuttings in January 2001 and put them in a cup of water til roots came. I kept it potted in the house for for about 2 or 3 years.Then I planted it in the backyard and it is about 7 feet tall and just as wide. It has hundreds of figs on it.

That tree at the right of the signpost has been grown from a cutting and produces green fruit with pink pulp. It was planted in 1993 or 1994.

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