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Any suggestions where to buy a persimmon tree online?

I have some american persimmon seedlings that I started last year. If I understand correctly I can graft kaki persimmons onto the american seedlings?

On a tangenial note, I don't much enjoy eating persimmons, either the softened Hichyas or the firm Fuyu types.  But for the first time this past year, I dried great quantities of very orange, but still firm Hichyas ... and oh my goodness. They may well be the best tasting, best texture dried fruit I've ever had.

 

In my part of SoCal, there are many persimmon trees, and most of the fruit goes to waste. Next fall I am planning to get my hands on as many as I can for drying.

if anybody wants to try their hands at grafting persimmons, Legg Creek Farms has 12-18" 'Native American' persimmons on sale for $5 each.  They claim to have 50 in stock.

~james

Strudeldog--I may have been a little early, but several of my Hachiya's upper branches had sprouted a few tiny leaves, so I went ahead and grafted, using Joe Real's method (I copied and pasted his online instructions into a Word doc and printed it for easier access). Hopefully the parafilm will be enough protection and the grafts won't need additional shielding from Tucson's heat & UV, although I may wrap a little aluminum foil just to be safe.


Susan, if I understand it correctly, you can graft any persimmon varieties onto American Persimmon seedlings. If my grafts work this year, and my American Persimmon seedlings survive and get thick enough, I'll cut new scionwood next spring and graft onto my seedlings.

Gina, I agree about the excellent taste and quality of dried Hachiyas--although I wait until they're gooshy ripe, then cut them in half, scoop out the flesh with a big spoon, gently slice each half once more (parallel to the first cut), and dry them in the dehydrator. They make wonderful fruit leather too--after scooping out the flesh as above, I put them in a bowl and liquify them with a hand mixer before pouring onto drying rack with non-stick sheet. Both methods are well-suited to drying in an Excalibur food dehydrator, but I've never gotten to dry them in any major quantity. My family loves the fresh persimmons so much that most of them get eaten as soon as they're ripe enough.

To bring the topic back to figs, today I also tried grafting an LSU Improved Celeste, Scott's Black, and a Black Madeira onto an inground UCR 135-15s, using Joe Real's method with scionwood that seemed thin enough to stand a good chance of working. All of these are the first grafts I've ever done, so who knows what (if any) the harvest will be? When the UCD cuttings arrive, if any of them are thin enough I'll try grafting them as well, and then try to root the thicker stuff in the normal way. Later in the season I'll do a separate post about how the fig grafts fared.

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Looks good Ken, I think I recognize the writing on those tags. I think you timed it right as I have had good luck when the leaves are just starting to push like that.  On the scion is that just a single layer of Parafilm right?  I guess I really don’t know if a bud will push through multiple layers, but you might keep an eye when the bud is pushing growth. I few times I have taken a pin and carefully assisted a bud through by breaking an opening in  the Parafilm if the bud looked like it was struggling to break through.  You can most definitely graft Kaki to American Persimmon seedlings and if you are in a colder zone it is preferred to either Kaki or Lotus rootstock. Be sure and keep any shoots that try and grow on the branch below your graft rubbed of and it’s even more important if you are grafting to a seedling as that is key in having your scion thrive.  I think I will be trying to graft some fig myself soon, mainly because I am a poor rooter, and if they take then I will air layer them to get on its own root.

Yes, it's just a single layer on the scion, stretched almost to the breaking point, and in some cases I left a narrow gap between wraps so the bud isn't covered at all. And yes, you certainly do recognize the tags--I didn't want to waste them! I'll keep any buds from developing below the graft, but I assume any adjacent branches should be fine--right?

Yes just rub of any competing growth on that branch. I think it is more important when grafting on young seedling that doesn't have the energy reserves that your mature tree does.

Your grafts look great Ken. Are those cleft grafts or some sort of rind (bark) grafts?


I used the cleft graft last season on both figs as well as Asian pears with very good results.

Looking forward to a whole lot more of the same this season :) !

Thanks Bill--they're all bark grafts. When I post on how the fig grafts turned out, I hope to include step-by-step photos (only if they succeed).

Just when I thought spring was well and truly here, we had little flurries of snow today, and temps tonight in my neighborhood are supposed to get down to 31. I covered the fig grafts (and young figs); should I be worried about the persimmon grafts?

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All of the persimmon grafts appear to be working. A couple of the fig grafts are thriving, and the rest appear to still be alive, but aren't really taking off yet.

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can persimmon be grown in pot?

 

pete

hi Pete,
Growing them in pots might be a bit of a challenge, as persimmons have a large tap root.
In your zone there are varieties that would easily grow in-ground.

Grant
z5b

well, growing in ground would be ideal for both figs and persimmons. but my wife is rather against any fruit trees in ground. she grew up in country with ton of fruit trees and hated all the rotting fruits when they fall to the ground. so my figs are all in the containers.

 

she and i both enjoy persimmons. since we both grew up in korea, i'm trying to see if i can grew some from korea in the container.

 

pete

eat them before they hit the ground

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I have received american persimmon seeds from a few members from southern states but I am looking for some seeds from some northern states. I would like to compare the cold hardiness of the trees over time and how the different trees do as rootstock for other variety of persimmons. If there are members of this forum in zone 5 who may have american persimmon trees and might wnat to get rid of some seeds please let me know.

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Posted by Bass:

"An Italian man from Napoli planted a seed of persimmon 15 years ago at his garden in Allentown, Pa. He watched the tree growing for several years but no fruit. 13 years later he passed away. That same year the tree produced a heavy crop of persimmons. For the past two years it has been producing a profusely and has a beautiful tree in the front yard. His son Franco is living at the house now and caring for the tree. "

A very touching story and beautiful photos!

I bought my tree from Burnt Ridge, personal were very helpful to understand what variety would grow best for me. I am happy with it, I put in a pot so I can care for it better, until it grow a bit more.

I got Smith's Best and Great Wall from Just Fruits and Exotics. I am extremely impressed with the size and quality of the trees I received. They graft onto D. Virginiana, which is more cold-hardy than kaki. I think that England's, as mentioned above, and Edible Landscaping are two other sources that graft onto D. Virginiana. I have ordered from England's and JF&E and would recommend either. The trees I received from JF&E were a year older, I believe, than from Nuttrees.net. Shipping is higher but boy was I impressed when I opened up the boxes. I will note that I waited a whole year for these.

@ Bass is that beautiful seedling tree a non-astringent fruit? Looks great.

The seedling tree is an astringent variety. I picked a few fruits and they tasted good when dead ripe, but weren't the best flavor compared to the others I grow. 

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