Wills and Ampersand are no longer here. What the heck. No one will miss the others. If your banned for the good that you do and trying to keep the foolishness of others to a minimum, why bother?

Wills banned and ampersand

I am sorry to hear Kelby and Wills are effected, hopefully just a probation.

  I am surprised as I never saw them use vulgar statements or profanity here only confront the ignorance and bad manners of the undesirables. It is always the loser of a discussion that turns to vulgarity and profanity on a public forum, those that don’t have the intellect or self control to express themselves.

Maybe if folks express their thoughts here it will be considered members can be re-established if they desire. Maybe some other good folks would consider participating again in the forum as well that have left.  If you find redeeming qualities of a couple others that I hear were removed as well, support them here if you choose. You will find no support from me personally of at least a couple members re-joining here but that's just my insignificant thoughts.

Overwhelmingly the comunity was united and two stood alone in my oppenion. I tried to avoid them at all cost and then the ones that did try to contribute in meaningful ways were banned. It would be great to show your support here if you choose to. Too many have chose to leave because of a few. I know decisions are tough to make on who to remove but it is necessary at times. Who am I to disagree. I guess the other forums don't look so bad after all.

How can you tell who got banned - through personal communication? Or can you search for that?

I too hope Jon treats Kelby and Wills absence as a suspension (a very short one). It is my opinion that the wheat was tossed out with the chaff in this instance.

regards,
billy

Good question, Arne. I would be VERY disappointed to learn that WillsC and Ampersand had actually been banned.

Look at the members names in the search

It doesn't sound right, I'm missing something, I checked both profiles and everything looks normal. Surely this is a mistake to ban them and  Jon let's someone that makes downright vulgar statements that no member should be subject to, especially children and women. to have full reins of the forum. Oh well, I guess stranger things have happened. I think it's just a mistake, I think Jon is above something like this. This is a good forum.

I add my voice to the growing chorus calling for the un-banning of Wills and Ampersand(Kelby).  

Anybody else was banned?

Jon is the moderator of this site and has the right to ban any member who attacks another publicly.  Against forum rules.  The banning may be temporary, but Jon is like Santa.  He knows who's been good and who has not. 

Let's forget about this now and talk figs please?

Suzi

Yes. The two trouble makers apparently were banned.

I have to agree, Hershell.  WillsC is a great guy and has always been extremely helpful and generous to the forum.  It seems the only mistake he made was standing up to a bully he probably should have just ignored.  I don't understand the moderator's decisions on these issues since it seems he let's the problem remain while banning the members who point out the problem.

Just read that kelby and wills are added back.

Was posted on another forum i just checked member list. I didnt see wills. But not good i seaching members. I mosly read post for info

Geeeez - what happened?

If my vote counts I throw it into the camp supporting WillsC and Kelby who are both great guys and positive members of this forum.
These guys are not trouble makers.
Please let them come back.
thx,
mgg

Looking forward to the return of Wills and Kelby.

they are not back... they cant log in!!!
that is so sad.

If the ban on Wills and Kelby hold, it will be a turning point for me on this forum. And others as well.

I acknowledge that Jon V. has the right and responsibility to ban members and delete topics that devolve into vulgarity and name calling, he is the administrator, but continually deleting entire Topics doesn't address the root cause of this argument.

Placing Known cultivar names on unknown or found figs only serves to diminish the Hobby by placing inferior and untried cultivars in circulation as known and true cultivars. Its a good argument with a simple solution, one that Jon V uses in his Varieties Database.

I'm with Frank (FMD)....

BTW, I've read the deleted topic and saved a PDF copy, which is not currently relevant to this discussion.

I never worked with Kelby, but Wills has been great. I would kindly request the ban be removed as well.

ascpete,

Good to see you post. Welcome back. I never have communicated direct with you, but always enjoyed the info you placed out there.  It is obvious that that you put a lot of thought into fig culture. It upset me when it seemed like an undesirable  discouraged you from the forum.