DevIsgro
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Does anyone know if these are the same fig under different names before I buy barnisotte noir cuttings.
figpig_66
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I dont know but my guess they are the same
james
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Posted 1425944377
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I do not have either one, but have seen them listed as synonyms for each other.
2016 Wish List: Dārk Pōrtuguese, Grānthāms Royāl, Lātarolla, Negrettā, Nōire de Bārbentāne, Rockāway Green, Viōlet Sepōr , Viōlette Dā uphine . Iranian figs are always welcome.
DevIsgro
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Yeah I see synonyms for them a lot, but I know that some of the synonyms are misguided assumptions. Figured someone might have grown both. I have been told by a French fig grower living in soliès that bourjasotte noire is the same fig as violette de soliès.
figpig_66
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Posted 1425953270
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Different name different price same fig. Lol
johnnyq627
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Posted 1425955528
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Figpig I will caution you against making guesses. A lot of confusion can be caused by people taking your guesses as truth.
DevIsgro
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Thanks so much johnnyq627! I'm glad I know it's different for sure now, I appreciate your reply. do you know the origin of the brogiotto/barnisotte fig?
DevIsgro
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So these are the pictures of the barnisotte mother tree the cuttings they're selling come from.
DevIsgro
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DevIsgro
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I do see a touch of green in it, or at least i think i do anyway
johnnyq627
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The pictures are showing very small on my tablet. Without my barnisotte having leaves, I will need to defer to those with more experience than me for an ID.
DevIsgro
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Okay, not sure how to enlarge. They definitely are more black than bourjasotte and have touches of green.
DevIsgro
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Posted 1425959989
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They're listed on eBay underr: "barnissotte black(baud) fig tree cuttings"
james
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Nick,click here.
2016 Wish List: Dārk Pōrtuguese, Grānthāms Royāl, Lātarolla, Negrettā, Nōire de Bārbentāne, Rockāway Green, Viōlet Sepōr , Viōlette Dā uphine . Iranian figs are always welcome.
james
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Barnissotte Noire from Baud is not the same as Barnisotte UCD. It is, however, known as a synonym for Bourjasotte Noire... even on Baud's website
2016 Wish List: Dārk Pōrtuguese, Grānthāms Royāl, Lātarolla, Negrettā, Nōire de Bārbentāne, Rockāway Green, Viōlet Sepōr , Viōlette Dā uphine . Iranian figs are always welcome.
DevIsgro
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Well the barnisotte noire from baud is bourjasotte noire for certain if is comes from solliès like they say. Essentially, I am looking for a true French barnissotte if it is indeed a variety, which seems to be the case. I collect French figs.
DevIsgro
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And yes I understand that barnisotte grise is a diff erent variety, grise/noire/Blanche/brun/rouge etc are always different In my experience.
DevIsgro
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Is it possible that barnisotte noire began as bourjasotte noire and changed over centuries of breeding?
DevIsgro
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What seems suspicious to me is that it is a French variety with no location attached to any of its nicknames. Most of them seem to have their region affiliated: ex violette de solliès, grise de tarascon, noire de caromb, hâtive de Argenteuil, the list goes on.
johnnyq627
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My head hurts.
DevIsgro
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I'll pinky swear! Now I just need to find a true barnisotte noire . . .
johnnyq627
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DevIsgro
james
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Posted 1426030308
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The problem is 'Nero' means black in so many languages. Many figs were passed around the old countries a lot of generations ago. If a tree was growing in X town and it was black, it was called "X Nero" , or something to that effect. The problem we have today is many of the figs are the same (or very similar) but because they come from a different area, we know them by many names. As Jon always mentions, it is part of the fun of figs.
2016 Wish List: Dārk Pōrtuguese, Grānthāms Royāl, Lātarolla, Negrettā, Nōire de Bārbentāne, Rockāway Green, Viōlet Sepōr , Viōlette Dā uphine . Iranian figs are always welcome.
DevIsgro
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True, but as a collector of French fig varieties I can't stop until I get to the bottom of it!
DesertDance
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Posted 1426038096
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Devisgro, do you speak French? Do you live in France? You should just go over to Baud's place and confirm what you want. Easy peasy.
DevIsgro
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I do speak French, read much more fluently. My fiancée is parisienne. we are living stateside however, so I can't go visit. Maybe I will try to email though, thanks.
Sas
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The source of your fig tree is the key.
