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Best place to get cuttings

Any suggestions on a place where I can buy cuttings that is reputable and also has some variety to choose from? I got some great info from this group in regards to good FL trees but now I need to buy some. Two different kinds and only one or two of each. Thanks.

ebay can be a great source, just be a little careful of sellers as some are dishonest. You can search here for past experiences people have had with certain sellers and many sellers are forum members. 

Cuttings from Encanto (the link RichinNJ posted above) are an option, but be aware they are likely infected with fig mosaic virus. Some people care, some don't, it is something to know regardless. People have strong feelings about this topic, FYI.

Depending on the plants you are looking for you may be able to get good prices on small plants from places such as Wellspring Gardens (I think most are $8-10).

Last choice is to just ask the forum if anyone has anything for sale or trade.

What is mosaic virus and how does it affect me? Wellspring looks like a good deal. Are their starters they sell from cuttings or some other method and is one method better than others? Thanks.

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What is mosaic virus and how does it affect me? Wellspring looks like a good deal. Are their starters they sell from cuttings or some other method and is one method better than others? Thanks.


FMV can cause the leaves to have dark and light green patches. FMV is sorta like the flu in the way that IMHO if the plant is healthy it wont cause diminished growth or fruiting. 
My five varieties of cuttings from Encanto grew 2-5 feet in height this summer. 
I have a Red Greek unk. that has been growing in the Midwest for 80 years and the cuttings were brought over from Greece by a distant in-law. It has patchy green leaves sometimes.
Its never been to California. Grows and fruits like crazy in New Jersey.

If you get cuttings from other sources it does not mean they won't have FMV.

One thing to remember is that figs grow weird anyhow. It seems also that different varieties have different growth patterns. Some are "sports" too which can really grow strangely (Wiki "sport" Ive posted on the subject too.)

Many people have posted about tissue culture plants. For some reason they don't seem to grow or fruit very well. Thats just been my observation reading others posts here.


Wellspring Gardens sells plants started using tissue culture. Some people have reported plants take longer to fruit, others report no difference over plants started from cuttings.

RichinNJ has understated FMV. It is an array of plant viruses with symptoms ranging from occasional splotchy/misshapen leaves to severely stunted plant growth and decline. Some people will say all plants have it and it's nothing to worry about while others want nothing to do with it and will burn any plants infected (that is actually recommended by some state Departments of Agriculture). It's up to you what you would like to do; I personally would rather not have it but accept it to a limited degree. I'd suggest trying to get plants that are cleaner (not always possible, unfortunately), which you will likely not be able to get from Encanto or other California growers due to the presence of insects which carry the viruses to other plants.

Since you're only looking for 2 varieties I would just check out ebay or see what the forum has for cuttings. What are you looking for, anyway?

I have decided on a Celeste and an lsu purple. I will be buying one of each from wellspring based on what I have learned here. I am of course open to other ideas but these seem like good florida varieties. Not opposed to "clean" cuttings but the prices are cheap from wellspring and it seems like they are practically the same thing.

I have cuttings listed on Ebay under this same name

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Originally Posted by chrisw
I have decided on a Celeste and an lsu purple. I will be buying one of each from wellspring based on what I have learned here. I am of course open to other ideas but these seem like good florida varieties. Not opposed to "clean" cuttings but the prices are cheap from wellspring and it seems like they are practically the same thing.


That's a great Chris.
Our first fig plants were Violette de Bordeaux and Battaglia from Bill M in Flemington NJ. 

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...RichinNJ has understated FMV....


Kelby that would be incorrect.

I would be happy to discuss the data you have collected from your plants and compare it with mine.

Out of control soil ph can manifest itself in the symptoms people diagnose as "FMV".
There are many conclusions drawn that are not based on facts. 
I would be happy to discuss your findings anytime.

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I have decided on a Celeste and an lsu purple. I will be buying one of each from wellspring based on what I have learned here.

I strongly recommend against that.  It's a waste of your time, money, and yard space imo.  Sort of like how starting an avocado from seed is generally a waste of time compared to starting with a good grafted tree.

TC (tissue culture) figs, which is what they sell, are notoriously poor fruiters, especially in the early years, since tc's revert back to juvenile wood.  Most people get no fruit or only very sparse fruit for the first several years or more, far less than what is to be expected from cuttings or air layers from established fruiting wood.  Even the occasional people who claim 'success' with tc's only get like 6 figs in 2 years.  That's pretty bad compared to what you can get if you start with cuttings from good fruiting wood.  For example, I've gotten 50-70 figs each from my 1st year Hardy Chicago, MBVS, and Celeste that I started from cuttings 9 months ago, whereas I got 0 figs total from my Green Ischia, LSU Purple, and Black Mission tc's from Wellspring after 18 months.

The stories of good productivity from tc's at an early age are very rare, whereas such stories are very common with cuttings and air layers from good fruiting wood.  In the great majority of cases you can find mention of on the internet, tc's produce few fruit (and often no fruit at all). 

I wish someone would have clued me in when I was a noob so I wouldn't have wasted my first year devoting my space and efforts to tc figs from Wellspring.  

The difference tends to be pretty extreme, so why start with crappy unproductive stock when it's so easy to start with stock that will be 10 or 20 times more productive from the get-go?

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I have cuttings listed on Ebay under this same name


I'll vouch for the quality of his cuttings. I just bought some green cuttings from him a few weeks ago. They were nice. Lots of nodes. Apparently cut just before shipping. They all rooted vigorously in moss (not counting the ones sent to the bucket cloner experiment). They were probably the most expensive cuttings I've bought (compared to Jon, UC Davis,  and forum members who have only asked for shipping costs), but they are MvsB and RdB, and I wanted them now. 

I'm sure those will do well for you Chris, have fun! I didn't intend to dissuade you from cuttings, just to be careful about sources. I'm not sure where you are in Florida, but Just Fruits and Exotics is another option for some larger plants if you want to pick them up. I would suggest looking into the variety Improved Celeste (from LSU) over regular Celeste.


RichinNJ: I respectfully decline to argue further and will leave these items for all to read (they are from actual scientists, including UC Davis):
http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/r261100611.html
https://www.freshfromflorida.com/content/download/11071/142717/pp64.pdf
http://oregonstate.edu/dept/nurspest/fig_masaic_virus.htm
fupress.net/index.php/pm/article/download/1567/1502 (automatic download of a pdf file, sorry)
If you have had no noticeable problems, congratulations. But please do not equivocally state that it is a non-issue when it can indeed be an issue.

Chris,
I'll be trimming my LSU Purple and can provide you with some cuttings if you'd like to try rooting some.  I'd just want you to cover postage.

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Chris,
I'll be trimming my LSU Purple and can provide you with some cuttings if you'd like to try rooting some.  I'd just want you to cover postage.



That's a wonderful offer! Thanks so much. I would love to take them.

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Originally Posted by chrisw
I have decided on a Celeste and an lsu purple. I will be buying one of each from wellspring based on what I have learned here.

I strongly recommend against that.  It's a waste of your time, money, and yard space imo.  Sort of like how starting an avocado from seed is generally a waste of time compared to starting with a good grafted tree.

TC (tissue culture) figs, which is what they sell, are notoriously poor fruiters, especially in the early years, since tc's revert back to juvenile wood.  Most people get no fruit or only very sparse fruit for the first several years or more, far less than what is to be expected from cuttings or air layers from established fruiting wood.  Even the occasional people who claim 'success' with tc's only get like 6 figs in 2 years.  That's pretty bad compared to what you can get if you start with cuttings from good fruiting wood.  For example, I've gotten 50-70 figs each from my 1st year Hardy Chicago, MBVS, and Celeste that I started from cuttings 9 months ago, whereas I got 0 figs total from my Green Ischia, LSU Purple, and Black Mission tc's from Wellspring after 18 months.

The stories of good productivity from tc's at an early age are very rare, whereas such stories are very common with cuttings and air layers from good fruiting wood.  In the great majority of cases you can find mention of on the internet, tc's produce few fruit (and often no fruit at all). 

I wish someone would have clued me in when I was a noob so I wouldn't have wasted my first year devoting my space and efforts to tc figs from Wellspring.  

The difference tends to be pretty extreme, so why start with crappy unproductive stock when it's so easy to start with stock that will be 10 or 20 times more productive from the get-go?




Thanks. I didn't know that. Ok I will go with cuttings. Thanks to all of the wonderful members here I am getting great information and even an offer for an lsu purple cutting already! Now just to source a Celeste.

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Originally Posted by Ampersand
I'm sure those will do well for you Chris, have fun! I didn't intend to dissuade you from cuttings, just to be careful about sources. I'm not sure where you are in Florida, but Just Fruits and Exotics is another option for some larger plants if you want to pick them up. I would suggest looking into the variety Improved Celeste (from LSU) over regular Celeste.


RichinNJ: I respectfully decline to argue further and will leave these items for all to read (they are from actual scientists, including UC Davis):
http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/r261100611.html
https://www.freshfromflorida.com/content/download/11071/142717/pp64.pdf
http://oregonstate.edu/dept/nurspest/fig_masaic_virus.htm
fupress.net/index.php/pm/article/download/1567/1502 (automatic download of a pdf file, sorry)
If you have had no noticeable problems, congratulations. But please do not equivocally state that it is a non-issue when it can indeed be an issue.



Good information. Thanks. Googling seems to show the improved Celeste does better in the florida climate. This sounds like a smart idea. I will now be looking for this instead.

Zone5figger I tried to send you a message with my info but not sure if it went through.

Anyone else that has trimmings for the price of, free I would be interested! I can pay shipping of course. Once I have one of each I will be done for a while.

Someone mentioned getting fruit in months not years!? I had no idea how fast these things grow. That's crazy!

Chris, I'll be pruning in the next month or so and will send you some cuttings at that point.   
You came to the right place for info and goodies- I'm happy to share with someone else new and excited with figs just like me!   And since I've already had another generous member get me started with cuttings I've been wanting to pass along the karma.

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Chris, I'll be pruning in the next month or so and will send you some cuttings at that point.   
You came to the right place for info and goodies- I'm happy to share with someone else new and excited with figs just like me!   And since I've already had another generous member get me started with cuttings I've been wanting to pass along the karma.



Thanks! That's awfully kind. I hope to do the same some day. Anyone that has Celeste or other florida safe varieties?!

LSU P. sent out to you today- have fun!

Big thanks to zone5figger and cajunb!!! I will keep everyone posted as to my progress.

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