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Beyernfeige Violetta vs Brown Turkey

OK . . time to tell the truth now . . .

I have been looking at posts on the internet in discussion of the B. Violetta fig actually being a Brown Turkey.
I think it's been some time since the discussion hit the fan . . Does anyone care to weigh in? . . .
I've searched out a lot of photos and there seem to be some similarities, depending on the sources of photos
and what they really had . . in other words . . I've seen pictures of foliage and fruit that looked almost identical
between the two . . and I've seen pics of fruit that appear different.

Has anyone here got the inside track on the B. Violetta?

Is it a contrived selling technique . . or is it real?
 







WOW! .  .No Takers so far
c'mon people . . there is talent out here on the board today.
Somebody has to have an opinion!

If it looks like a brown turkey, tastes like a brown turkey, grows like a brown turkey, then it's possibly is a brown turkey.
I haven't compared the two very closely yet, but from talking with European fig experts one of them believes Violetta is the same fig.  

It most likely is not a BT, but the taste and quality is roughly the same. BV is supposed to have a breba crop, as I understand it.

Ahhh . . I was reading a post from back in November of a member who had
gotten two crops out of his, and the 2nd crop was great, albeit attractive to
flies

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/Violetta-Sweet-surprise-5577246

But a cursory search of the Brown Turkey reveals it too gets a breba crop
in the Spring, off last year's growth . . I don't know what to think !

Yep. I've got some brebas popping on my potted and garaged BT as I type. Last year they dropped, but maybe they'll stick around this year. I'm rooting BV right now, so I'll be able to compare the two by next year if all things go well.

Bayernfeige and English Brown Turkey,both have 2 crops in long hot climates.
In cold short Summer Season,they can only ripe one crop well and ,like in Germany,only Breba ,there because the second crop ,even if kept on and removing breba,will not have enough hot Summer to ripe,properly and entirelly.
If grown in relative medium long Summer ,and if both crop left,then only Breba and,a few main crop fruit will ripe till frost.
The majority of main crop will not.
If in the same climate,one crop is removed when small,before tree waste energy growing the fruits to large size,then the remaining crop will ripe for sure.
Conclusion :English Brown Turkey ,and Bayernfeige,are  cultivars that needs a very long Summer if it is to ripe both crops.
This is when the grower has to intervene and manipulate the tree according to the climate it is in.
Bayernfeige is a patented selection of English Brown Turkey,that is what is known for sure.

We have Bayernfeige Violetta here in Connecticut. No fruit the first year. Second year unripe tasting fruit. Third year, the sweetest fig I have ever tasted.


It bears two crops here. In it's third year, 12 very large fruited breba. with good flavor. 
About 100 main crop figs middle to late October. Only about 25 ripened into figs so sweet, it attracted hundreds of flies. We had to put out fly traps, and had to cover the figs to keep the flies off of the fruit.

The only Brown Turkey we have is one very small plant. So, I have not had a chance to compare them side by side.

I was planning on top working the Bayernfeige Violetta this coming Spring. But, we both like very sweet  tasting figs, and Violetta taste fig syrup to me/ So, we will keep it.

I tend to agree with Herman on the fruiting. One may have to limit the number of breba and main crop to avoid having so many still green figs left, when frost hits. Right now I'm thinking maybe only a breba crop. Or remove the breba crop and only keep maybe 25-40 main crop figs.

Our tree will be going to it's fourth year, this year, and it is already may 8-10 feet tall.

My take is, there are maybe thousands of Brown Turkey figs. Different sizes, flavors, different textures, and maybe slightly different looking leaves, and growing habits. Bayernfeige Violleta could be a member of the Brown Turkey family.

But, if you like big breba fruit and super sweet figs give it a try. I think that may be the reason why it's under patent.

I got my start from Lucile Whitman, at Whitman's Farm on the west coast. 

Bob, zone 5 Connecticut

Ahhh . . There's Hermansur to the rescue to sort it all out. . . So, you're in a cold climate if memory serves me . .
cold winters that is . . . so do you need to manipulate yours to produce the second crop? I wouldn't imagine I'd
need to do much here in Southern Calif inland.

And Robertharper . . yes, I initially ran across your post while doing a search on the web, and was heartened
by your words of it's flavor . . but a bit off-put by the tree's second function as a fly attractant. Ha ha

Well . . looks like I need to get a Bayernfeige Violetta  . . even if it's akin to a Brown Turkey in some respects.
I don't know why I'm not interested in a BT . . guess it's because it is common. I shouldn't be so picky.
After all, I have a Black Mission in my line up.




Jeff:In my place here in New Jersey,My best bet is to remove the few Breba,that resist frost,because most Breba dies,as the tree is in ground and so frost kills them.
And leave on the main crop,only.
That way the tree can use all energy in getting this main crop ripe.
When Breba is removed then the main crop start growing on sooner than normal,so it will get ripe till frost.
If I had a tree in a pot,and take it in storage over Winter then the best bet would have been to grow the numerous Breba fruits ,that usually will have,in this instance,and remove all the main crop at inception.

Hi Herman:
Wow, the thought of foregoing the main crop to grow out the breba crop seems almost, counterintuitive.
I was under the impression that the breba crop was less desirable. That the fruit would be less flavorful
and possibly drier and chewy. If I hear you correctly, based on your climate it'd be beneficial to nurse that
breba crop over the main crop, in regards to a potted tree you bring in for winter.

Down here in Southern Calif it probably isn't much of an issue then. I mean, some of the figs I've started
didn't  even  drop  their  leaves.  It's  been years since I  had  fig  trees. Really only had them as a kid.
And I remember some fruits that weren't much good . . but later in summer, the crops were wonderful. 

Well, as my figs trees grow and mature, I'll experiene the differences in the crops and growing habits.
My tidy little bunch are still fledgling. I did break down and buy a VdB from a nursery this season, as 
my cuttings didn't make it through transplant. I'm hoping it will bear me a few fruit this season so I can glimpse
what it may be in time.

Thanks for your insights and expertise
Jeff







Yes you heard me well.
Breba crop on this cultivars are super tasty ,just as tasty as main crop.
(If get ripe properly,on adult tree,and crop manipulated).
If not,both crop,mediocre tasting!.

What is the difference between English Brown Turkey and ordinary Brown Turkey?

English Brown Turkey is a stable cultivar that is predictable while various other Brown Turkey are usually Hybrids of unknown figs that are called Brown Turkey.
There are tenth of so called Brown Turkey,most are inferior to English Brown Turkey,at least one is very good,and is sold by James Robin in Louisiana(small in size),and then there is Calfornia Brown Turkey that has very large fruits but it needs a long hot Summer to ripe properly,otherwise will be bland tasting.

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