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Binello breba

This was the only breba and it cracked.  I did not notice the crack right away and you can see some rot at the bottom of the fig. I'll try again next year, but . . .

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Too bad about the rot.  Did you eat the good part?  How was it?

Frank,
I have to admit I did try the better looking part just for the hell of it. It was, of course, not great. All I got was one breba from this tree. Some of my trees like my (3) Negronnes, (1) Lemon and (4) St Jerome had lots of brebas so I could eat some and photograph others. There were enough figs on half a dozen of my varieties to determine which brebas would get pinched and which ones would get left to ripen next year. Some brebas, especially ones that look nothing like the main crop are very interesting to me and I'm slowly collecting photos of them. 

Hi Michael,

Do you have any info or history on this variety?

Thamks

Michael, Do you know if it's the same as Binella? I have a white fig by that name.

Is that from me? Pretty sure it is. You owe me for that one too.

Paul13,
figs4fun/Links/FigLink765a.pdf,   forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/fig/msg0614090722373.html

I have it as I'm actively collecting any variety that is thought to be cold hardy.

I don't have a lot more info then what's in the links above. I hope that helps.
Sorry the links didn't format the way I expected. You'll have to enter manually.

Dan,
Your dishonesty and egomania is endless. I'd really appreciate it if you just did not even bother to read my posts. 
I also don't believe for a second you have this variety as you lie about everything else.
And just to set the record straight - no I did not get this from you - you thieving, lying *&^%%@#$^%&((*^#@  *&^%#$% (*&%#$#

Haha your funny. second person to have it got it from Al R. You did get it from me it's a kadota from Switzerland.

Show me a postal receipt.

Why do you feel it necessary to lie about everything?
Don't you think you'd be a happier person if you just picked one topic, just one -- and told the truth.

Just because you can look up the info on a given fig variety doesn't mean you own it. 

I know you think you're being clever and you're convinced you're cute and endearing, but I find your dishonesty and desperate craving ego mania very off putting and am asking you politely not to poison my threads with your inane BS.

Not everyone enjoys your dishonesty as much as you do.

  • jtp

Kadota from Switzerland? Has anyone else ever noticed how the sexier figs always allegedly come from dwarves in the Black Forest or have names that sound complex and exotic? And everyone scrambles to get them, regardless of flavor or performance. It must be had. It becomes a huge status-gaining item. Oooooo, you have the super secret Bastard Madeira, known only to the ninja monks of Shangri-La. Can I be your friend and get scion? Of course, DNA-wise, it may be the same as a fig from California. Ridiculous. It's fruit.

Kubota1,
Sorry I don't know. There isn't a lot of info out there and I don't know anything at all about your fig. Sorry.

Fig was discovered by Al R (northeastnewbie) and identified by vs to be binello. Actually was the first fig I rooted from a cutting. You
Look that up and take some more pain meds.
Funny how no matter what happens its never your fault like every one you have traded with screwed you sounds like crackhead mentality.

Here we go again.


Looks good to me Michael, is this first year this one produce for you. How was main crop?

Original Transaction
Date         Type         Status         Details         Amount
Aug 24, 2012         Payment To Michael Grace         Completed         ...         -$200.00 USD

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Your transfer from your credit card to your PayPal account is complete.         Details         $200.00 USD

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Email:        
mgg@vt.edu
Amount sent:        
-$200.00 USD
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-$200.00 USD

Date:        
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You have sent $200.00 USD to Michael Grace with PayPal
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I truly can't believe what a dishonest person you are. This again. OK, in the morning I'll answer this but at some point you have to show at least a sliver of decency and stop using this receipt to make numerous claims that are unrelated. It's late and you are a  tedious person with zero ethics and I will lay out -- again -- to anyone foolish enough to be interested just what this is and represents. The 10 trees I sent you that were paid for by this transaction have nothing to do with the other 5 trees and 2 sets of cuttings you did not pay for. I'm sorry this is too complicated but perhaps if you eat your wheaties instead of the toxic slop you serve your grey matter may kick in and function long enough to pick up a concept that's at a 4th grade level. 

eden13
Sorry, I carry a curse in that I was foolish enough to get involved with certain members who . . .

This tree was sent to me spring of 2012. It was very small but was 2 years old. I put it in a 5 gallon pot with fafard #52 soil and it grew 5 feet. It did not produce last year, but is doing well this year, so I am excited about the main crop figs.
thx
mgg

Thank you Michael.


Michael if I am you I will just ignore this guy(let him be childish as much he is).

Ok Dan. What does that receipt represent?
We had a deal. We were going to meet in Wash., DC and split the figs that were left in Gene Hosey's yard. I had already agreed with the person who bought Gene's old house that we'd pay him $20 for each fig plant we took. We both agreed it was a good gamble.
You didn't show up. I had to load all those fig trees into my Jag with my dog in the pouring rain and drive the 2+ hours to my house.
I then kept the plants long enough for them to recover as they had been neglected as you were told long before we agreed to split these plants. Then I let you pick the varieties you wanted as you promised if there were a few I wanted you'd send me air layers of them (this turned out to be a lie). Then I went through all the hassle of sending them to you bare root because that's how you wanted them.

I paid the shipping as you were going to pay the shipping on the plants you'd promised to air layer for me (which after many many months of being told they were doing great you finally admitted they didn't exist).
We also agreed that since I did all the work you would compensate me with certain varieties I was looking for (which of course you kept promising but never sent).

The problem is all your promises turned out to be lies. Of the 4 air layers you promised me and kept telling me month after month that you were or already had shipped all I ever received was one Black Madeira plant you had to have Barry send to me from his collection.

I was foolish enough to trust you and sent you 5 more trees from my collection (not trees from Gene's yard) and 2 sets of cuttings.

After many months of you refusing to return emails and phone calls you did finally send me some cuttings but they weren't varieties we'd agreed upon and they weren't in the numbers or condition agreed upon either.

After trying for many months to get you to even discuss this you only sent absurd emails claiming things like the few Macool cuttings you sent were worth absurd sums on Ebay, etc. You were extraordinarily dishonest and arrogant and I was foolish enough to believe many lies you told. I see you for who you are now and I've noticed others on this forum are beginning to understand just what a risk it is to deal with you or even waste the time to talk with you.

You have your own little forum now and after trashing this forum and trying to bleed it's membership why are you back? Is it because no one wants to be associated with the kind of trashy ethics you represent. Posting insulting things about my mother and me on your forum goes to show just exactly what kind of person you are. And the kind of people those who serve as moderators of your forum are. And for your information my mother -- who lives with her husband in SC -- is welcome to live with me if she ever wanted or needed to as she is a classy lady. And you'd be well advised to never mention her again.

So yes you sent me $200. That paid for the 10 trees from Gene Hosey's yard.
How about my air layers from those varieties I let you pick that you promised me?
How about the air layers of Maltese Falcon, Vasalika Sika, and JH Adriatic you lied about for 7 months. Yes I did get a Black Madeira from Barry. But the other air layers you told me were doing great and were either just shipped or would be shipped the next week turned out to have probably never existed. It was only when I finally confronted you about it that you admitted there was no air layers to send.

And let's not forget the 5 other trees and 2 sets of cuttings you received. These were trees you asked for from my collection and I was foolish enough to send you -- and pay shipping.

And what about the Sicilian Black cuttings and for that matter the Vasalika Sika cuttings you promised when you finally admitted that air layer failed --  after being told for months it was thriving and would be sent "any day now."

Your list of lies just goes on and on and I'm getting bored of this and realizing just how foolish I was to trust you as much as I did.

You are a skilled manipulator - there's no question about that.

And yes you did finally send some cuttings but they weren't what we'd discussed or in the numbers promised. Perhaps I was lucky to get anything at all as you did not keep your word about anything else.

So, when you think you are being cute claiming I got my Binello plant from you it is just pathetic that you have the audacity to even show up here on this forum with even more lies. You never sent me a single plant. Some cuttings, but not a single plant.

I know who you are now Dan and even though you are skilled at deception and play your game very well you made a mistake stealing from me as I'm not going away. I'll be growing and collecting figs and letting folks know who you are well into the future.

But I'm not your worst enemy - not even close -- you are your worst enemy because you truly believe you are smarter and better then everyone else. Eventually you'll do this to someone that will care far more then I do.

I don't want anything to do with you and the things you took from me are trivial in the big picture and I don't care about them. I do, however, care about you ripping off other forum members and as long as I'm here to warn folks I know you'll have to behave.

Now go away and leave me alone. Your toxicity is putting me off my feed.

Go brag about your collection and your amazing fig growing skills to someone else. So far all I've seen you do is fail to grow every air layer you promised you were growing and send cuttings that weren't the ones agreed upon. Perhaps the ones agreed upon were in someone else's collection and you don't have -- how many varieties is it now? 250, 400, 500, 600, 1000 - The number goes up so fast I get dizzy. 

Here's an idea; why not collect a few other ethically questionable characters  and start your own forum. That way you can say anything you want and flocks of f4f members will come join you and you can rule the fig world.

Eden13,
I need to take your advise but I'm so tired of this guy. He thinks he can bully everyone. We thought he'd finally left when he went off and did yuku but as that didn't feed his ego enough he came back and is at it again.
I have met so many nice people here and have had so many great trading partners but this one chump just needs to attack me -- even on yuku he felt the need even though I never went on his site as I just don't want anything to do with him.

Remember, Jon said no more of this Micheal, he censored your posts. 

When exactly was that Brent?

Ask Jon, he did it.

You want to be left alone? Is tgat why you refused the return offers with threats of sueing or my truce offer yesterday? I want my 3 gallon black madeia back I want my 4 each Maltese falcon cuttings, Nero 600m, sorbello red, Sierra,sequoia, macool, col de dame Gris, smith, bajornosotte noir, cuttings back right away I will gladly send you back your sticks in a gallon pot brown turkey, marselles, bataglia green, Angelique and you alma cuttings. I don't need them and have asked for them back.

Dan,
Your truce offer? That's a laugh. If a thief said to me, "You don't ever mention me again you don't try and be a hero and I will leave you alone." as he was picking up my TV I wouldn't take him seriously either. And why would I need to be a hero to deal with the likes of you? I guess you see yourself as some super powerful force. The Fig Avenger perhaps. You could take your little apron off and put on a fig shaped hat and green tights with fungus gnats swarming around you and go out and swipe fig plants off people's porches. I guess, though, that you'd have to be careful not to crack if you got too wet.

And when did I ever threaten to sue you? Small claims courts don't cross state lines.

Your return offers? That's a joke. Show me an offer that didn't include me getting back part of what I sent you but returning all of what you sent me. For example - your offer on Fed 3rd where you want me to send you your cuttings and $200 in exchange for 4 of the 15 trees I sent you and none of my cuttings. 

You never sent a 3 gallon Black Madeira and you have obviously just made up this list of cuttings. Show me proof that you sent me a 3 gallon Black Madeira and I'll drop this. Just a shipping receipt is all I ask for. Barry sent a small Black Madeira but that's in my post above -- so come on Dan -- any proof ?? Just show me proof that you're not lying again and I'll stop this immediately.

If my plants are sticks it is only because you neglected them. They are plants you requested. I never asked for them back.  And for that matter why does this list keep changing? You can't even keep tract of this from rant to rant. On some lists you include Monticello Mystery Purple and leave out something else. Why? Because you continue to lie about the number I sent so you only list four, but you aren't even clever enough to list the same four each time. You didn't list the Paradiso "Gene' cuttings either -- of course. You don't even try and tell the truth. That's how lazy and arrogant you are. The super hero with the bad memory I guess.

I notice you didn't offer to send back the Cavaliere and other rare varieties. I doubt I'd want them back now as if the other plants are just sticks I can't imagine what you've done to plants sent to you that were bare root. And as you'd just steal cuttings from them it wouldn't resolve the problem. That's provided you haven't neglected them and let them die.

The cuttings you sent were pathetic and only 2 rooted; A Sorbello Red and A Sweet George -- and of course according to you you didn't send a Sweet George. Not that I'd trust for one second that anything you sent was labeled correctly. So far everything you've said is a lie.

As is typical - any interaction with you first has to start out with a clarification of the truth. You just make up anything that you think will make you look better or get you a better deal.

I notice you leave out big sections of our deal. Try addressing the entire deal as outlined for you above as you seem to have extreme difficulty handling more then a few tid bits of information at one time. And before you flap your lips any farther show me any attempt on your part to resolve these "discrepancies". Just one email where you made any reasonable offer to resolve this deal gone wrong. Just one Dan. Just one honest attempt on your part to address this. 

I know - and so do you - that one of those doesn't exist.

So, before you spread more lies and make more outrageous claims - just pony up and prove you did one thing you claim - just one.

I'll even settle this if you can prove I got my Binello from you because as we both know this is just another one of your lies.

So Dan, here's your chance to settle this once and for all and all you have to do is come up with a receipt or any proof to back up just one of these lies.
You lied about the plants I sent you.
You lied about the cuttings you sent me.
You lied about the cuttings I sent you.
You lied about sending me a 3 gallon Black Madeira.
You lied about sending me the Binello in this thread.

So Dan, what's it going to be? More lies?
And by the way, I can't address your last sentence as I have no idea what you're talking about. What exactly have you asked for that you don't need?


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