Due to Dan's contention that CajunB's plants came from a different tree, and unless it's worked out to Dan's satisfaction that they are the same plant I would strongly recommend we use different names to avoid additional name problems in the future.  May I recommend:

Dan's BB-10
and
Unk BB-10 or else CajunB's BB-10  (which do you guys think is preferable?)

I think the only reasoning for not doing this would be based on greed at the expense of the fig community.

yeren -- No problem :)  Thanks for clearing up what you'd been thinking.

GregMartin -- Good idea.  Another possibility for the names would be to put the BB10 part first, like this: BB10 (Dan's) and BB10 Unk. 

One thing for sure those are some nice looking cuttings!  I really want this fig to be something special and at least these cuttings look like they will thrive.

the only variant that met my expectations in all the fig hype's have been RdB. Fun in trialling.
Latest disappointment was the Olympian variant tree given to me by a collector on Vancouver
Island. It tasted much worst than my Desert King, Faliciano, Latarrula, Osborne Prolific etc

Hey Greg, have you made that suggestion on OurFigs yet?

At this point it seems Dan is resigned to the varieties being the same.  But, if it is, he claims it leaked out in an illegal fashion.  In any event, he just sent 30 cuttings out into the world, so by this time next year it will have been freed.

I don't support fig espionage, but I do think all figs should be set free :)

edit: apparently there were two auctions with 4 each, which makes 80, not 30.

A comparison has been made on another forum between BB 10 and the great French fig Sultane. The fruits match. The leaves match. Even the countries match since there were a lot of French who settled where the tree is growing. Très intéressant....

If anyone missed out, it looks like Dan has a few more sets up for sale.

It's not worth 100$, I think people are foolish to have paid that. I have a 200$ fig tree in my basement sure, but I was an IDIOT for spending that. For 3 cuttings? Come on guys, control the addiction.

Also, I really want to know dans dwarfing technique.

Since there are many in the wild now I think it's important to differentiate them.  Usually we do exactly what Greg suggested.  The format is usually something like BB-10 DL and BB-10 BR, or however the person who introduced the plants wants their identity attached.

Perhaps Charlie could ask Dan.  He listed it as Dan's BB-10 so maybe that's how he wants it.

Hey Robert, since you and Greg are spearheading this decision, why not try to get opinions from members on OurFigs, their opinion counts too. This group should not be the only forum in this discussion. Either both are true BB-10, from the same mother tree, or only one is the true BB-10 if from separate mother trees..... My point is, if they are both BB-10 the SAME exact fig in all ways, why would we use different names. Now if they are in fact different then why would we call them both BB-10??? This fig stuff is getting too complicated OR we are doing our best to make it complicated. Dan named this fig period, wouldn't it be terrible if his figs are circulated, even by someone else, and given another name?

If Brian was in this for money then why would he sell 3 cuttings for just $20, while it was being sold for few hundreds. Wouldn't it be easier for him to just stay low and enjoy his fruits?.. $20?? I mean common what is he gonna get for a $20..a tin of Spam and chips?..for all this crap from Fig community!..There are lots of confusion in the fig community and bad communication . Most of us know each other through forums and other social media, so it's really inappropriate to judge someone based on what others say. In other words most of us don't know each other. I think we all are good people. I don't think Brian would take Dans tree without permission, maybe he just forgot about the location, maybe it was a while ago. Not all of can run a fig protection and data recovery unit to remember exact details after months if not years. There are other priorities in life , children's , health, wife maybe!..

In this case the new fig "discoverer" is saying it's the same fig.  In that event we do not need another name at all, but simply to believe the second person or not.  There is BB-10 only, and a debate about whether Brian has it or not.  Now if anyone wants to call Brian's BB-10 "BB-10 Brian" that's up to them.  I record where all my figs come from and do not need a special name unless the community agrees they are different.

Brian is a humble kind hearted person. It is very obvious he doesn't do this for the money. He is very knowledgeable about figs not to mention very giving. Members who actually know him here know exactly what I mean.

Lol, if BB10 is liken close to Kathleen Blk or Sultane, it is not a 10 in my books. I am thinking
of getting rid of my Kathleen Blk. We have many fig variants here that are better than KB.

@gardencrochet, I heard many good things about CajunB & I hope he continue
to contribute to this fig community. Maybe one day, I get to meet him & the rest of the Southern
Louisiana collectors.

The BB10, by any name is an "UNKNOWN", until proven.  Exactly how that would be accomplished remains a common question on all "Unknowns".  How many "Unknowns" are really examples of existing named figs?  Why do we accept the names that we do? We automatically accepted the name BB10 and never considered that it should have been "BB10 Unknown"

If there were DNA data, who, in our community would be competent to interpret/declare the results?  Getting the DNA would be the easy part, testing for duplicates would be the expensive part(?).  A tremendous amount of data now resides at UC Davis/Riverside.

If we were a formal organization we would/could/should have a panel to determine what a particular fig should be named.  We are our own "Worst Enemy" when it comes to naming figs.  At some time in the future a fig will be submitted to someone/some entity for identification and study to determine whether or not it is a "New" fig (dreaming on my part).

You should see the chili pepper community sometime because it's so easy to create a one time hybrid f2. It can get pretty crazy.

Down the road when you guys grow these fig cuttings out if anybody want to trade for a Craven's Craving, contact me. I'm on a fixed income for the most part besides the Cd's I sell on Ebay. I can't afford the prices for these figs. Yet I still have the addiction. Also looking for Pointe Tersa, and   Genovese Nero (Rafed's). Also just because I rarely see small yellow figs would trade for Pingo de Mel.
Currently I have no plants to offer, my CC is going on 2nd leaf. From padsfan, so cuttings are not from original tree, but from my plant which is from the original tree. I have no plans to sell it (although I reserve the right to change my mind), trade only. And probably not till next year! Just getting it out to make future arrangements. Interested in trading plants, not cuttings. I plan to propagate CC this summer.
Another I'm looking for a Bass Favorite. I have a source, but if I get it elsewhere, I can get something else from that source, which will be the first person to receive a CC from me. Just to let him know, he can do whatever he wants with it, as can anybody I trade with.
It will be a 6 months to a year before I will actually have plants to trade, again just getting it out there. Otherwise I have little chance of ever growing these rare plants.

update:
Thanks all for all the offers for BB, a great community we have here. Offer to trade for BB is closed, too many offers already for me to even come close to having enough plants to do. I'll offer to trade more in the future. Many fig trees I want to try, but I don't want to promise anymore plants out at this time. I'll do the same with BB once it's going and such.

You're a good person Drew, even though the big bucks you could use more than most of us, you choose a more generous route. Good luck in your trades and start posting a wish list, some of us just might have what you want.

Well ... if too many trades came Drew's way....

Anybody intrested in a cold hardy (zone 6) Russian pomegranate ( Nikitskii Ranii aka crimson Sky), rooted plant for a rooted BB10?


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For everyone fustrated with this thread...


You can learn things, even from people who may be very diffrent from your sense of "normalicy". On this thread I learnt that a branch node roots easier...in fact I have a Napolitana Negra that rooted on a branch node just recently rooted way up on a branch junction....now I know why. ;)

Charlie please post....

Jon Verdic revoked my posting privileges years ago for me arguing with other forum fig collectors......not a big deal and as I prefer Blogging instead.  This will be the last time ever posting about figs on the Internet in any format whatsoever I have much better things to do than to continue arguing with fellow fig nuts.

To all who have purchased BB10 cuttings from me on my eBay listings.........both my Children's International kids and I thank you. I never studied figs for a monetary gain and I did share lots of good fig related information over the years. A good bit of that information was deleted by me on exiting this forum. But y'all got to admit, I did surface many new fig varieties for the Fig community.

I am content in knowing that I found a few good figs growing  here in South Louisiana and in knowing that the Smith fig will never fade away into extinction. I made it popular through my many writings...and never once sold Smith cuttings. It is a very good Louisiana heirloom fig ........originating from Croatia as told to me by the grandson of the immigrant who brought it to Louisiana years ago. The Becnel family use to propagate it but stopped because their customers did not want it due to its name.

With that said, I am so disgusted with many in the fig community that I just don't give a damn about sharing fig information with anyone anymore. I don't care what the fig community wants to call this BB10 fig and vow NEVER to discuss figs with ANYONE ever again. Not in any format whatsoever. I will get my pleasure in EATING figs, raising chickens, and blogging about Climate change....not in discussing figs or collecting them. Yeah, I'm crazy like that......... but, at least I've accomplished what I set out to do....find good figs for growing here in the hot and humid South!!

If any of you buyers missed the provance of this BB10 fig as was documented on my fig blog, I post the following information just for you:

BB10 is a Persian fig which originated in the cold/rainy mountainous area of northern Iran. It was locked away from the West for centuries due to political/religious reasons. At least that is what the Iranian immigrant told me who planted the mother BB10 tree in Baton Rouge.  The Iranian immigrant came over around the time the Shaw of Iran was overthrown. He can never go back for political reasons.

Part of my research involves studying Persian figs. IMO, Persians figs just taste better than European /Mediterranean figs which is something pointed out to me by Iranians. It is why I have searched for and obtained others in my collection.  I believe they taste better because it is a genetic evolution thing. Persian figs evolved on a separate path than the European figs.

Thank god I never discussed another delicious Persian fig that I call GG-10 (Golden Goddess 10)!! I give them those type names so I can keep track of them. Shame on me for not clearing names with the Fig Forum Naming Committee........lmao

So long Folks........enjoy your figs no matter the name or it's provonace. The best fig is the one that makes you happy!! ......no matter what any fig forum member tries to tell you...including me!

Dan.....a crazy but very happy old man!!
Semper Fi-cus, as always, to all you fig nuts no matter what you may think of me. Goodbye.

Sent from my iPad

I guess that's all folks.  I'll be in Rafed's fig group on facebook minding my own affairs and making biochar devices.  Have fun with whatever.