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Black Madeira is really productive and usually vigorous. It's a shame I don't get many. Almost worth moving to a longer summer. I have one in a 20" clay pot (thanks Jon) and four in 5 gallon buckets that I prune every year to almost the soil for cuttings. The red lines is where it was pruned last year. If you click the pic it should get bigger.

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Great Looking BM. You have a very vigorous looking strain. If I may ask, what kind of soil mix is it in?
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Great Looking BM. You have a very vigorous looking strain. If I may ask, what kind of soil mix is it in?



I use pro-mix BX, the only formulation my supplier carries. Add perlite, crab shell, kelp meal and a general purpose granular fertilizer. I also fertilize regularly every 10-14 days. If anyone else uses crab shell and live near NY (I live in NJ) best price I found is these guys. http://compostwerks.com/organics/soil-amendments/product/37-crab-lobster-shell-meal
I get 50 pounds for $60 including delivery. In the spring my yard smells like the Jersey Shore :)

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When do you see your first ripe ones?
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Beautiful tree.  Do you use the hardwood bark mulch that's in the background for your soil mix?
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Next yr try leaving one tree only lightly pruned. According to Harvey's recent post that should give you earlier maturing fruit.

Or grow Preto, or get a greenhouse, or shuffle more in spring....

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Amazing to see such thick mains  in a 5 gallon bucket. That is one healthy looking plant!
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Amazing to see such thick mains  in a 5 gallon bucket. That is one healthy looking plant!


Must be those soy sauce 5 Gallon buckets!

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Here's my in ground Black Madeira from Keith. First picture from 2014 the rest today. 8 ft tall 6ft wide loaded with figs.
Thanks Keith!!!

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@Petechanr Pete!  Wow! 8 Ft by 6 Ft in ground Black Madeira from KK?  Did I say "Wow"?  I think you need to trim that a little for its own health... I can send you the address to mail those cuttings to...  hahaha...
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Beautiful tree.  Do you use the hardwood bark mulch that's in the background for your soil mix?

No, I've never used any kind of wood product in my soil, I read a while back as it decomposes it can mess with the nitrogen.

http://www.nola.com/homegarden/index.ssf/2014/03/does_wood_mulch_deplete_the_so.html

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Next yr try leaving one tree only lightly pruned. According to Harvey's recent post that should give you earlier maturing fruit.
Or grow Preto, or get a greenhouse, or shuffle more in spring....

I've had good success with waking them up 3-4 weeks early inside but haven't done it in a few years, maybe next year.

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How old are they now?

This is their 5th year. Every year I usually pull them out, shave about 2 inches off the sides, 4-5 inches off the bottom and put them back in.

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Must be those soy sauce 5 Gallon buckets!

There is this Sushi/Japanese place in town that throws them out every couple of weeks. They also throw out square 4 gallon buckets from Pickled Ginger, I stocked up :)

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Here's my in ground Black Madeira from Keith. First picture from 2014 the rest today. 8 ft tall 6ft wide loaded with figs. Thanks Keith!!!

Your welcome Pete. Secaucus must be good for BM, You're only 10 minutes east of me,  never thought of putting one in the ground.



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Dollars to donuts the radiated heat from the brick that the BM is fronting really help the plant to thrive and be as healthy as it appears... and of course, all the TLC that Pete must give it.... Something like that, I'd probably try and drag it to my bedroom at night to protect it...   lol...
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Beautiful trees!  Started my cuttings this past winter, so no figs this year.  But this definitely gives me something to look forward to.
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Thank you for sharing your soil mix formula.
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Thank you for sharing your soil mix formula.


Seconded. I also appreciate the info. about yearly root pruning and by how much. The crab shell and kelp meal is a new one for me but it makes sense. My understanding is they provide elemental and micro nutrients, as well as encouraging beneficial microorganisms to thrive.

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Vigorous indeed!  I managed to grow a cutting originating from your strain and it's growing about 4 to 6 inches a week here in Southern California with no signs of slowing down.  



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I will confirm on the vigor of Keith's strain of Black Madeira. The one I received from him via EBAY has grown over 6ft tall on year one ( planted in compost) and has about 20+ figs on it. I've even managed to get an air layer off a side shoot near the base.

Now if the figs would just ripen......

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Regarding wood chips, bark, etc depleting the soil.  The wood products don't deplete the soil and tie up the nitrogen unless dug into the soil.  Using the products as a top dressing or to protect the soil from the sun and help maintain moisture is a great method.  Consider how a forest works.  Trees drop branches, leaves etc and the layer begins to break down on its own.  Worms and other 'critters' bring the decomposed material beneath the soil where it is further broken down and digested by the plants.  God's design is marvelous.

Now, being a newbie here.. just how do I get a BM start?  Anyone.  I have 4 starts of other plants I have received from locals in my area.  I have tried the BM but no cuttings were available.  I'd love to get one going.

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In re the pine bark.  Maybe I misunderstood what I read.  I though that pine bark was different than wood mulch and that the pine bark didn't steal nitrogen from the soil, that it helped with drainage and enhanced the soil as it decayed.  It's a good thing that figs are so forgiving.  Same basic soil mix, including pine bark in the mix, and I've got baby trees from the same mother tree from 1 foot tall (started in December) to 4 feet tall with figs growing on it (started in May). 

Still learning.


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Here's my in ground Black Madeira from Keith. First picture from 2014 the rest today. 8 ft tall 6ft wide loaded with figs. Thanks Keith!!!


Pete --

I was lucky enough to win 2 BM (KK) cuttings last night.  I figured I'd have to keep it in a pot.  I see you grow it in the ground.  The pics from 9/16 look great, but it's not clear that the figs will ripen.  What's been your experience?  Any other words of advice?  Thx.

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Here's my in ground Black Madeira from Keith. First picture from 2014 the rest today. 8 ft tall 6ft wide loaded with figs. Thanks Keith!!!


Guessing this is the tree my cutting came from?  No wonder it grows so fast.  That little cutting spent all last winter in a sand growbag under lights and tried to start but dropped its first three leaves.  Then it got moved outside in spring, put into a bucket of compost and fed fish & seaweed fertilzer.  Finally took off in June and grew about four feet. Sleeping in the garage now. :) 

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I think a lot of people overlook the water source too, especially in places where it rains a lot. Here in San Diego we have terrible hard water that comes primarily from the Colorado river and the plants are never as green as your beautiful eastern figs.

I try to use collected rain water as much as possible to overcome this but we only average about 10 inches of rain a year!

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Joe,

I had ripe figs on 9-24-2016 but that was from my 55 gallon Sip. First figs from the in ground mother tree was 10 days later and continued till last week of November. Harvested about 40% of the total. I'm putting few more of the 55 gallons in ground this year. They didn't do as well as the in ground, Lots of splitting issue and flavor not as intense as the in ground.






Charlie,

Yes, that's where yours came from.

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Joe, I had ripe figs on 9-24-2016 but that was from my 55 gallon Sip. First figs from the in ground mother tree was 10 days later and continued till last week of November. Harvested about 40% of the total. I'm putting few more of the 55 gallons in ground this year. They didn't do as well as the in ground, Lots of splitting issue and flavor not as intense as the in ground. 


Hey Pete, how do you winter protect your in-ground BM, if you do? If you did a post about winter protection please point me to it.

Thanks

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Wendy,

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Joe, I had ripe figs on 9-24-2016 but that was from my 55 gallon Sip. First figs from the in ground mother tree was 10 days later and continued till last week of November. Harvested about 40% of the total. I'm putting few more of the 55 gallons in ground this year. They didn't do as well as the in ground, Lots of splitting issue and flavor not as intense as the in ground.


Thanks.  I'm guessing that my season starts at least a week after and ends a week before yours, more or less.  So I may be best off focusing on pots.  Two follow-up questions:  Did you do anything to hastened ripening, such as pinching?  And how do you manage 55g SIPs -- a fork lift? :)

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There are some fig hunters out there trying to find the BM or Preto look alike, just get a KK Black Madeira or my Pretos from Don, you know they are successful. Can't go wrong and with the look alikes, you never know what to expect in your growing region. If the unknowns are a good price then go for it, but don't get in a bidding war with expensive unknowns until they are tested in your area. 
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Hardwood mulch will suck out the N as it degrades. Hardwood mulch or bark isn't a good soil additive.

Pine bark on the other hand is a different story. Aged pine bark is really good and comprises about 50% of most nursery mixes.

Hardwood mulch/bark and Pine bark are very different.

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Joe

55 gallons overwintered in my garage. I move them outside on the last week of April with a handtruck and no pinching. Very easy to move as long as there's no water in the reservoir, holds about 10 gallons. Also I stop watering before the move to let soil dry.

28- 55gallons in this photo

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Joe 55 gallons overwintered in my garage. I move them outside on the last week of April with a handtruck and no pinching. Very easy to move as long as there's no water in the reservoir, holds about 10 gallons. Also I stop watering before the move to let soil dry.


I started doing something similar this year with a bunch of 10gs, 15gs, and 25gs.  I thought the 25gs might be my limit.  You've made me feel like a wimp.

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Keith Do you root prune a couple of weeks after they go dormant or a couple of weeks before bud break?
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Keith Do you root prune a couple of weeks after they go dormant or a couple of weeks before bud break?



couple of weeks before bud break

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I've got 2 cuttings of BM from KK and they're doing really well.  All my cuttings that I've bought from him have always been top notch.  

Thank you Keith! Keep it up.

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I've got 2 cuttings of BM from KK and they're doing really well.  All my cuttings that I've bought from him have always been top notch.  

Thank you Keith! Keep it up.


Thanks, I'm glad they worked out for you

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Looking forward to a couple of early Black Madeira

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Wow! Nice! You are the man!
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My 15 year old BM (Thanks Jon)

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Beautiful trunk!
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That's a thing of beauty!
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Wow, that BM looks awesome!  
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Wow... speechless!
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The mother of very many delicious BMs, including mine. It's good to meet her! Makes me think of the giving tree book.

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Beautiful Tree Keith. What size is the container please?

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I use pro-mix BX, the only formulation my supplier carries. Add perlite, crab shell, kelp meal and a general purpose granular fertilizer. I also fertilize regularly every 10-14 days. If anyone else uses crab shell and live near NY (I live in NJ) best price I found is these guys. http://compostwerks.com/organics/soil-amendments/product/37-crab-lobster-shell-meal
I get 50 pounds for $60 including delivery. In the spring my yard smells like the Jersey Shore :)

Hey KK I'm right near you, where do you get the pro mix bx?
Thanks

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What size is the container please?


I think it's 18" or 20"



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where do you get the pro mix bx?


Closest place I've found is these guys

http://www.levittsllc.com/

It's a little bit of a hike so I usually get a couple. The price is always different, few months ago it was $30.33 a bale, last week it was $27.50. They bring it out and put it in the car/truck for you. They also have a good price on large bags of perlite.

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If anyone else uses crab shell and live near NY (I live in NJ) best price I found is these guys. http://compostwerks.com/organics/soil-amendments/product/37-crab-lobster-shell-meal
I get 50 pounds for $60 including delivery. In the spring my yard smells like the Jersey Shore :)



They no longer carry crab shell, the last bag I received was ground, they call it crab/lobster flour

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I think it's 18" or 20"




Thanks Keith,

20" means 15 gallon or do u know in litres?. I just want to know so that I can keep them in the smallest pot possible, since I suffer from terrible lower back pain.

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20" means 15 gallon or do u know in litres?. I just want to know so that I can keep them in the smallest pot possible, since I suffer from terrible lower back pain.

Vinny


I just measured it, top inside diameter is 17.5 inches

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Thanks Keith :)


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Holy Wow Kevin !! What a beautiful tree! I have tree envy.  [t0VyuAP] 
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Some cool North Jersey summers, they just don't ripen

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