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Black Madeira

From UC Davis cutting according to seller.
arrived wilted due to 112F heat. It will recover. Does it look like BM? How is UCD BM different from KKBM? Im new to fig collection. Ive been growing mostly grapes and olives.
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has any one had success reducing viral load?
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I ordered the BM cuttings directly from UC Davis. Knowing that the UC Davis BM has serious FMV, I put my cuttings through a super stressful "detox" process. The method is based on what I can find online about removing virus from plants and vegetables. It is not 100% scientific. For example, I don't have a control group. The best I can hope for is a reduction of the viral load. Only one cutting managed to root after the "detox". At first, I thought I have failed because the rooted cutting is still much slower growing compared with Kadota, my golden reference. However once I saw the video posted by PA Figs on youtube comparing UC Davis BM, Portugal BM and Preto, I realized that I actually created another vigorous BM strain.

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What you have will mainly depend on who you purchased it from. If from one of the known reputable sellers then it will probably be BM. 

Thank you. Yes, this is true... seller reliability factor at play.... so many fraudulent sellers out there and mislabeling. He claims its a cutting from UCD. and did have knowledge of the ordering process. Ive ordered some myself for a project very similar to what the seller did... I will be using Hydroxytyrosol, tyrosol and oleoperin as found in olive leaf, bark and raw fruit extract as a natural anti-viral,  growth enhancer and natural pest deterrent and will report back to UCD.  Seller is Ling from Texas and he is on this forum. I guess time will tell. i look forward to report back.

Unfortunately UCD is no longer distributing cuttings to the general public.

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Below are Photos of my in ground UCD Black Madeira (unprotected in winter) as of few days ago. It took several seasons for it to look like this, and as in every season, it's all new growth, but since rooting the original cutting which was the only one received from them, the leaves were never as disfigured as I saw with other plants online.
It was a couple of months old when I put in ground and still protecting with chicken wire.















Sas nice looking tree. How old is your Black Madeira if you don't mind me asking? I also have a one growing that shows very little to no FMV signs.

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This Black Madeira is about four or five year old in clay soil which does not help much. But when compared with Col de Dame Gris for example under the same conditions, it's definitely a very slow grower.

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This Black Madeira is about four or five year old in clay soil which does not help much. But when compared with Col de Dame Gris for example under the same conditions, it's definitely a very slow grower.



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Hi sacredorigin,

I am the guy who sold you the BM fig tree.   I have no idea that Redding was at 112F this early in the summer.  Guess I should not complain too much about 100F in Austin. 

Just went out and took some pictures of the mother tree.  Since it is midnight here in Austin, the picture quality is not that good with flash lights and the 1MB file size limit. BM close.jpg  BM Mother.jpg 
 


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Hi sacredorigin,

I am the guy who sold you the BM fig tree.   I have no idea that Redding was at 112F this early in the summer.  Guess I should not complain too much about 100F in Austin. 

Just went out and took some pictures of the mother tree.  Since it is midnight here in Austin, the picture quality is not that good with flash lights and the 1MB file size limit. BM close.jpg  BM Mother.jpg 
 

Hi lingcin,it looks nice .How old is your tree?In ground?

My tree has been in ground for about 7 years.  The tree looked horrible in its first 2 years due to my alkaline soil and super hard well water.  Once I started acidifying my well water, the tree is a lot happier.  

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My new BM recovered nicely. very healthy with new growth already. i am having no doubts this is bm....and appears to be viral free at the moment. This little plant brings me much joy and has not even been with me but a couple of weeks.


Your Black Madeira looks great! Hard to think of a better variety to grow in Redding.

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My new BM recovered nicely. very healthy with new growth already. i am having no doubts this is bm....and appears to be viral free at the moment. This little plant brings me much joy and has not even been with me but a couple of weeks.


Wait until you start eating the fruit -then your joy will kick up several notches. It really is a great variety to grow. Congradulations on its recovery. I've had a few young trees crisp up in a similar manner with the heat wave and they've all recovered beautifully also. Fig trees are among the most sturdy trees one can grow here.

nice leaf layout of BM KKK Thanks!

AltadenaMara ahhhh yes that will be like heaven. cant wait to try this!  Lived down in you neck of the woods it gets hot there too...

Figgary...thanks good to know i picked right one .....im still learning.   must say i am getting fig on my mind alot....might be start of a fig addiction.

Has anyone posted fruit pictures from this plant mother? There is a veritable flood of Black Madeira seedlings that have hit eBay in the last few weeks which looks great but based on nature of seedlings are, at best, great root stock.... I would love to see some fruit pictures from this 7 year old Ling in ground tree just to confirm that we are talking about is what we THINK we are talking about. Apologies in advance if I appear to be questioning authenticity.... I am NOT.... I am merely seeking confirmation of authenticity in light of the very recent Noah's flood of "Black Madeira" plants with a small sub-scripted addition that they are seedlings which seems to be drawing a lot of bidding attention.... I would say that confirmation of edible and BM like fruiting would help...

tsparozi.... i believe i saw a post where Evan Rose was kindly offering seedlings for trade on this forum and he is now offering them for auction on ebay. I also saw that he is carefully mentioning that they are seedlings and may not be like parent plant. I would be interested to see how the fruit turns out. Im sure there are picts of the fruit... somewhere. Im curious myself. i can barely wait to try... so for now looking at them will have to satisfy me.

@sacredorigin.... Evan Rose is really straddling the line between full disclosure and scamming.... The reality is that he has added the seedling disclosure after it was pointed out to him by a number of forum experts that his seedling are highly unlikely to produce edible and good tasting figs. In my opinion, his seedling are likely worth about $2.50 min per plant with a top end of about $5 a plant and I, myself, have bid on a number of his seedlings based on that belief that his cuttings could be used for grating stock. The fact that his seedlings are bidding much higher in most cases just confirms my belief that the bidders either just do not understand fig biology or are buying Lottery tickets in the form of fig plants. His disclosure, while fulfilling his obligation to disclose facts as he understands them, is in fact  and only in my opinion, barely doing so and he is relying on folks not understanding fig biology to still get his seedlings good bids on ebay... bids that in some cases meet or exceed bids on reputable common fig varieties from well known sellers that could just as readily be used for root stock if the buyers so desired... I would be shocked,  based on my understanding of genetics, if ANY of his seedling produce a single plant capable of producing edible and good tasting figs. It could happen... but I could win Mega as well.... Again... just my opinion and what do I know....

Tsparozi,thanks for posting good information.

Tony:

I agree. The title of his listing is "Live Plant Black Madeira Fig Tree". That's not true and is deceiving. Mentioning seedling later on isn't sufficient esp after he was told what could be expected from his seedlings.

Just got back from vaction.  You can see the green unripe fruits in my posted picture.  As usual, BM will be the last to mature.   This year is exceptionally mild (no hard frost after mid January). BM is producing a lot more fruits than usually.


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@sacredorigin.... Evan Rose is really straddling the line between full disclosure and scamming.... The reality is that he has added the seedling disclosure after it was pointed out to him by a number of forum experts that his seedling are highly unlikely to produce edible and good tasting figs. In my opinion, his seedling are likely worth about $2.50 min per plant with a top end of about $5 a plant and I, myself, have bid on a number of his seedlings based on that belief that his cuttings could be used for grating stock. The fact that his seedlings are bidding much higher in most cases just confirms my belief that the bidders either just do not understand fig biology or are buying Lottery tickets in the form of fig plants. His disclosure, while fulfilling his obligation to disclose facts as he understands them, is in fact  and only in my opinion, barely doing so and he is relying on folks not understanding fig biology to still get his seedlings good bids on ebay... bids that in some cases meet or exceed bids on reputable common fig varieties from well known sellers that could just as readily be used for root stock if the buyers so desired... I would be shocked,  based on my understanding of genetics, if ANY of his seedling produce a single plant capable of producing edible and good tasting figs. It could happen... but I could win Mega as well.... Again... just my opinion and what do I know....


Very well said.  I've seen Evan's posts on the other forum.  I don't know if it comes from a place of ignorance or not, but for him to continue to sell the seedlings as Black Madeira even after being informed otherwise is on the shady side.  It's really troubling to think that others will pass on subsequent cuttings of these trees as Black Madeira in the future when, clearly, they are not.  Perhaps since he's so proud of his strain, we should give these the designation of Evan Rose's initials, BMER, since when you find that they don't fruit true to type or even at all, it'll be a total BMER bummer.  lol...

Jennifer.... I like....

ok i get it...im a newby and have not seen the history here and what you all have said makes sense. re bmer great idea. who will present this idea to evan..? lol

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