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Brown Turkeys? Please Help Identify

Hello, I really appreciate all of the sharing of information and great advice on this forum. I hoping to get some opinions on what varieties two of my fig trees might be.

I have had these trees for about 8 years and had just assumed they were brown turkeys, based on some basic research at the time - now I'm starting to question myself the more I read on this forum and the GardenWeb Fig forum.

One tree, I acquired as a one-year old rooted cutting from a Mr. Leo who has been growing the mother tree (in ground) in north eastern PA for 20 years or so. He does not know the true variety of the fig. The other I rooted from a cutting taken from my wife's uncle Corrado's fig tree, growing in ground at the New Jersey shore. The leaves of these trees are of the same basic shapes - in fact each tree has leaves of slightly different shapes on the same tree.  

First the "Corrado Fig" - see first 2 attached photos.  Figs are slightly larger and more "reddish" in skin color, as opposed to purplish "Leo Fig". The "Corrado Fig" is a little less intense in flavor and internal coloring as well.

Next, the "Leo Fig" - see last 2 attached photos. Figs are somewhat smaller and darker than the other tree. Flavor is a litle more concentrated and slightly sweeter.

I would appreciate any thoughts or opinions anyone may have. Also - I am definitely NOT trying to name these unknown figs as "Leo" or "Corrado" - but did so solely for this discussion.

Thank you all in advance.

Joe
  

 
















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None are Brown Turkeys.
Most Possible ethnic figs of Italian origine.
I wonder if they split open or not when raining while almost ripe.
Here on East coast only the figs that can withstand the rain,without splitting have most value.
Classic cultivars of repute are worthless if splits and sour when rain come while ripening.
Best Regards

Neither are BT. Identifying figs is very difficult, as many were brought by immigrants and were never named or documented.

Herman,

We recently had 3 days of rain, near the height of ripening here in north eastern PA.  The "Corrado Fig" really plumped up in the rain and suffered some splitting, but not too excessive and flavor remained acceptable.  The "Leo Fig" did not seem to swell or split as "Corrado" did.

I grow both of these in large (20 gallon) pots which I bury during the growing season then bring in for winter in our attached unheated garage.  They are kept on a southern facing wall, and considering our less than ideal climate here, have preformed pretty nicely.  I root prune every other year or so.

Since about September 15th, we have been picking and eating about 4 - 6 figs per tree.

Thank you for your response and thoughts.
Joe   

Hi Joe:You see :Then Leo fig is good here.That whats matter.
You see when emigrants brought this figs here they did not know if it is going to be good here or not.
They knew it is good there,in Italy or Spain.
And some of this figs are totally not adapted to climate here.
The trick is to eliminate those and spread the ones like Leo,that can take a rain.
Best Regards

Joe,
I see you put pots in a hole in the ground for growing season, im curious about that. At the end of growing season do a lot of the roots grow into the ground and if so is it hard for you to pull the pots back up when the time calls for that? One more thing have you ever grown them in pots above ground not putting them inground, i have thought about maybe trying doing this with 1 of my containers to see if it does better for me or on patio, some say dont fix if not broke but im always thinking of a better way for the tree's. I'M just thinking though as i have had 2 hernia's in past if i could bring one of my large containers back up out of the ground. Maybe i should just leave as is if it would not make a big difference for me.
Martin 

Hi Martin,

I have always had these in pots and buried during the growing season.  I also have one year old Improved Celeste and Italian Honey (from Petals from the Past) in buried containers - thank God, all doing very well in the conatiners against the southern side of the house  

Last year the pots I had them in had 1 inch diameter holes drilled into sides to allow for better drainage.  I did get some roots coming out and growing into surrounding soil, also some roots growing out of top of container then down the side and into soil.  I just sheared these off with a sharp shovel before removing the pot from the hole. 

The real problem is the weight of the pots in the holes...the trees have really expanded over the years and I keep increasing the pot size when I root prune.  So, it isn't fun lifting the pots out at the end of the season.  Also, as you know, the "anti-frost shuffle" we do between the garage and the growing area in the early Spring gets tedious. 

I'm quite sure the neighbors think I'm a little crazy in April and May, seeeing me wheel out the figs every morning on a hand truck then wheel them back at night...but it's well worth it in my opinion - especially when you're rewarded with a bowlful of beauties (like the ones I picked a couple days ago form the "Corrado Fig" in the photo below)!

Thanks,
Joe

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Martin:I want to emphesise what Joe Said:Thedrain holes are only on Bottom-side.
Bottom Holes has to be plugged if you are going to bury the pot.
If not you are right,you will have a hard time getting it out of the hole in the Fall.
I tried this method :Works much better than above ground.
Except people who have nematode in the soil ,everybody,should use this method.
Stay well

Don't feel alone in your craziness guys. The family and friends think I'm nuts when I sit there staring at my trees and cuttings. And soon I will be joining you for the Spring Shuffle since I'm in northern NJ.

Thanks for the information all, i would defintely have to use a smaller pot im not that strong to lift out of hole as for the nematodes i really dont know if there there or not.Maybe i try 1 small pot next year. I know there some bug that hibernates in winter and makes babies only to come around the right time to eat my corn kernels growing , neighbor told me to put some hot pepper powder on the silk they dont like that.
Best Health
Martin

I would have a hard time in my area with burying pots. You can not put a shovel in the ground without hitting some very large stones. For my in-ground trees, I tend to use beds that are raised to limit how much I have to dig. When I put up my fence and built my deck, I had to rent a machine to dig the holes (even the machine struggled).

I have the same problem here with rocky soil...my containers are actually buried in raised and mulched garden beds, probably about 12-18 inches above natural soil line.

Martin:You only have to Bury the fig container,just 4 inches deep.
That will do the trick.
The roots will come out at close to surface and suck all the water that usually fall every Morning from condensation,in the air.
The fig loves it and will not ask you for any watering,unless a teribble drought is going on.
Also as other people noted the container is warm,and as long as is white is very good for the plant.
The secret is a lot of Holes at Bottom side,the more the better.
Best Regards

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