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Building another pit greenhouse

I'm building a 3rd greenhouse to go along with my existing 12' x 24' x 6.5' aquaponics tunnel and 14' x 55' x 7.5' semi-pit tunnel.  This new pit tunnel will be around 16' x 75' x 9.5' and about 4' deep.

This time, instead of doing all of the digging by hand with a shovel and wheelbarrow, I rented a Bobcat for the first day.  After the 1st day, I thought, "Eh, that's enough help, I'll just do the rest by hand."  Now, 3 weeks and many blisters and sore muscles later, I think another day with the Bobcat would have been a good choice!

Here's what the trench looked like after using the Bobcat on the first day:
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And here's what it looks like now:
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There's still a lot more to do before it's done, but it'll get there. 

Great project! I was considering doing this for my tiny 6x8 greenhouse to help regulate temps. Good to see that it works nicely. You can probably extend your fig harvest this way too.

Thanks for the kind words, Brian.

Yeah, these structures give me a really extended season.  I'm still ripening fruit in my 1st semi-pit tunnel, and none of the figs in there seem to have been bothered by this current cold snap.  I think we're going to have a relatively mild winter, so I don't think those fig trees will go dormant until late December or January this year.

Super way to build a green house with extended benefits of deep dirt floors and dirt walls. Nice concept.

Very nice! 

The bobcat was a great idea.  Can't believe you tried to dig that by hand.  Crazy.  Looks like a really good start.  Good luck.

How do you handle water with heavy rains? Does it collect in the trench?
Do you install some kind of drainage?
If I dug that trench in my area it would be a pond much of the year - heavy clay under a few inches of topsoil.

James I'm considering building that type of greenhouse too. Which leads me to the same question as Ed, How do you keep the hole from filling up with water. I would think the ground water would wick it's way in through the walls eventually causing them to crumble also. Do you have a type of drainage under the floor and sides?

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How do you handle water with heavy rains? Does it collect in the trench? Do you install some kind of drainage? If I dug that trench in my area it would be a pond much of the year - heavy clay under a few inches of topsoil.

I build a dirt lip/ridge around the edge of the greenhouse using some of the excavated dirt, and when I put the greenhouse frame and plastic on, the plastic covers the lip and I bury/secure the plastic outside of that lip boundary.  When it rains, the rainwater flows down the plastic till it hits the 'lower ground' dirt outside of that lip and flows away.

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James I'm considering building that type of greenhouse too. Which leads me to the same question as Ed, How do you keep the hole from filling up with water. I would think the ground water would wick it's way in through the walls eventually causing them to crumble also. Do you have a type of drainage under the floor and sides?

We have very deep sandy soils, and I think the water table is around 70' deep where I'm at, so there's never a problem with seepage here.

That's a great project. 
Thanks for the posting and please keep us posted on your progress.

It looks like the first few feet of soil is really nice black dirt.    Are the vegetables and bananas located at different sections of the aquaponics greenhouse?

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It looks like the first few feet of soil is really nice black dirt.    Are the vegetables and bananas located at different sections of the aquaponics greenhouse?

In my aquaponics greenhouse, where the entire floor is gravel with a big fish tank at the end, everything grows together.  I don't grow much veggies in there now that I keep it warm and tropical.  It's going to be pretty much all figs going forward.

The 1st semi-pit tunnel, which has a dirt floor, gets cooler over the winters, so it's good for growing lettuce/spinach at that time.  I plant those cool-weather veggies all over the entire floor, where they can get sunlight and grow due to the figs and bananas losing their leaves (fig leaves fall off, banana leaves die back and are chopped off).  I don't grow warm weather crops in there because I can grow them outside, so all that space goes to bananas and figs.  When I finish the new greenhouse, I'll move most/all of the bananas out of this 1st semi-pit tunnel and convert it into being almost all figs.

The new tunnel will be mainly for growing out thousands of adult fish, with about 5 mats of bananas, a couple of navel orange trees (winter ripening Washington navel, and a spring/summer ripening Lane Late navel variety), and I'm sure a few figs.

I think I'll build yet another greenhouse and devote it entirely to vegetables.

Man I wish I had a bunch of land out back of my house.!

James,

Very impressed.  Great project and looks so well done.  

Nice setup. I've considered the design shown here but the cost has me hesitating to pull the trigger: http://www.greenhouseinthesnow.com

How did you go about designing these? Did you find plans somewhere?

Thanks for the nice comments, everybody.

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Nice setup. I've considered the design shown here but the cost has me hesitating to pull the trigger: http://www.greenhouseinthesnow.com How did you go about designing these? Did you find plans somewhere?

I designed mine from scratch. 

What's the estimated cost of the one you're considering?

Here's the one I'm working on.

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It's 5' X 20', 3' deep. I'll enlarge it next year, but I'm just trying to make a place to get the plants out of the house for now. I'm digging a trench to it now, for access and drainage. I'll post more when I get it further along.


How long does it take to grow bananas. Is this just a labor of love. Or are you able to turn a profit I know a couple of people who started aquoponics on a large scale and just say it is not feasible right now to turn a profit. They also bought top of the line stuff And it seems you have spent there bare minimum. Besides your back aches.

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Here's the one I'm working on.

dig basic hole.JPG
It's 5' X 20', 3' deep. I'll enlarge it next year, but I'm just trying to make a place to get the plants out of the house for now. I'm digging a trench to it now, for access and drainage. I'll post more when I get it further along.

Lookin' good :)

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How long does it take to grow bananas. Is this just a labor of love. Or are you able to turn a profit I know a couple of people who started aquoponics on a large scale and just say it is not feasible right now to turn a profit. They also bought top of the line stuff And it seems you have spent there bare minimum. Besides your back aches.

It takes around 12-18 months to go from a small banana plant to a harvested bunch under tropical conditions; mine are probably in the 15-24 month range. 

I don't sell any of my plants/fruits/veggies; those are all for family consumption.  You could say that my gardening efforts are a labor of love: here's a short explanation of why I got into growing things year-round.  I just sell fish (I've moved around a half million over the last few years), and have been profitable from the start because I can do it so economically. 

It's hard to create a successful aquaponics business, but it can certainly be done.  It's important to choose the right product mix, tap/create the right markets, and design/implement the right systems to reliably produce those products and get them to the customer at the right cost.  Most people get most of those things wrong, imo.

James
This is an amazing thing you accomplished with your aquaponics greenhouse and pit greenhouses. 
Who would have thought you could overwinter bananas outside in zone 6a. 



James, I would like to know how you keep them heated in the cold weather. Also, I can't really tell how deep the trench is. I am in zone 6, too. I have a simple 12x25 hoop house and half of it has a double layer of plastic. With the double layer of plastic it doesn't need much heat - just a simple space heater that cycles on and off. I would love to see pictures of your other greenhouses, sometime. I have looked at some info on aquaponics but the heating issue just seemed to expensive...

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James, I would like to know how you keep them heated in the cold weather. Also, I can't really tell how deep the trench is. I am in zone 6, too. I have a simple 12x25 hoop house and half of it has a double layer of plastic. With the double layer of plastic it doesn't need much heat - just a simple space heater that cycles on and off. I would love to see pictures of your other greenhouses, sometime. I have looked at some info on aquaponics but the heating issue just seemed to expensive...

Hi Susan,

The earth and sun supply all the heating I really need.  The pits are only about 3' deep, but that's all the deeper I have to go to prevent the interior from freezing during the winter, even when -10F deep cold hits.  The dirt is around 45F at that depth in the winter here, so I have a constant and huge supply of 45F heat rising up from the floor.  During the daytime additional heat is trapped from the sun and stored in the ground or in the water.  The inflated double layer of plastic insulates the greenhouse well enough to keep enough of the heat in for my needs.

Without adding any extra heat, my semi-pit tunnel only gets down to about 40F, and my aquaponics greenhouse only gets down to about 45F (and only 50F when I set up external reflectors to bounce extra sunlight in).  When I set up a 1,000W aquarium heater in my aquaponics greenhouse, it stays in the 60's in the depths of winter.

You can see pictures of my other greenhouses via the links in the initial post in this thread, and you can see more pics by looking through my old blog posts on my website while you're there (just go to the home page there and scroll down; at the bottom, click 'older posts' to go to the next page).

Thanks, James! That gives me a lot to think about. Don't know if I'm up to digging that trench but maybe - Good soil here and no clay for at least 2 feet. I wanted to set up a small lean-to green house just for seedlings this spring but I may completely change my plans. What kind of fish are you raising (if you don't mind my asking....)?

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