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Building another pit greenhouse

I specialize in blue tilapia.  I originally got into raising fish as a way to provide a high-protein diet for my Dad (who is type 2 diabetic), and I chose blue tilapia for several reasons:

1) they're primarily vegetarian and feed heavily on algae, which allows me to grow their feed on-site and basically convert algae/veggies/etc into lean healthy protein for my Dad;

2) they grow really fast (some people call them aquatic chicken);

3) they're mouth brooders (i.e. females hold the fertilized eggs and newly hatched young in their mouths), which is fun and makes breeding them easy;

4) they're really robust and tolerant of poor water conditions (helpful for beginners);

5) they're the most cold hardy tilapia--other varieties of tilapia die off in the mid-50's, blues die off in the upper 40's;

The down side is that since they're tropical fish, they die off in the upper 40's and grow 3 times slower at 72F than at 85F, so managing water temps is very important.

What I read was about tilapia and I remember thinking that the temp. requirements would be difficult. I think I also read that catfish could be raised at a cooler temp. What are you useing for tanks? I had thought about stock tanks like for watering live stock but I think they are pretty expensive. (Thanks for all the info....)

One of my fathers greenhouses had a "basement" where he had put plastic barrels full of water.
There was a blower that sucked the hot air from the top of the green house when it got hot due to the sun and blew it down onto the barrels to warm them up.
At night the barrels released their heat when it was cold.

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Originally Posted by possum_trot

What I read was about tilapia and I remember thinking that the temp. requirements would be difficult. I think I also read that catfish could be raised at a cooler temp. What are you useing for tanks? I had thought about stock tanks like for watering live stock but I think they are pretty expensive. (Thanks for all the info....)


Yes, catfish can tolerate much colder water than tilapia.  Catfish would be able to survive year-round in any of my greenhouses without supplemental heating.  I don't like raising them, though--I don't like their flavor or their external spines, and their lack of scales weirds me out a little :)

For tanks I primarily use food-grade epdm pond liners and make my own tanks/ponds.  I also have IBC totes, a number of large (12-15' diameter) above-ground swimming pools, and a number of 5' diameter wading pools that I use for extra holding capacity and sorting.

It's generally recommended that you shouldn't use a galvanized stock tank unless you coat it with aquaculture paint or use a pond liner, since galvanized stuff will poison fish over time.

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Originally Posted by RichinNJ
One of my fathers greenhouses had a "basement" where he had put plastic barrels full of water. There was a blower that sucked the hot air from the top of the green house when it got hot due to the sun and blew it down onto the barrels to warm them up. At night the barrels released their heat when it was cold.

Wise man.

RichinNJ - great idea!

James - I really like the idea of using above ground pools. So much to think about...

This is really interesting. The price tag on the "greenhouse in the snow" greenhouse I was looking at was around $17,000, but that included a manufactured frame, lots of corrugated tubing, and very nice covering (designed to last for 20+ years). I think it was 17'x96'.

I think a less complex structure would be a lot less expensive and perhaps just as good. It's really interesting to me that you're only going down 3' but are getting such a great moderation in temperatures. We rarely get below zero here and I'd be interested in a structure that stayed above freezing (for citrus growing). Does it also stay cooler in the summer or do you vent it or take off the plastic?

Just thinking out loud here, but having a "backup" of some buried tubing with a fan attached might be nice as it'd serve to heat in the winter and cool in the summer (making it okay if I would forget to vent the thing).

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Does it also stay cooler in the summer or do you vent it or take off the plastic?

It's dangerously hot in the summer.  I vent it, plus I have to spray everything down with water during the day to prevent the plants from cooking and dying.  That could be automated relatively easily with a mist system, and probably should from a safety standpoint (it would not be good if you passed out from heat stroke while inside the greenhouse).

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Just thinking out loud here, but having a "backup" of some buried tubing with a fan attached might be nice as it'd serve to heat in the winter and cool in the summer (making it okay if I would forget to vent the thing).

I had considered adding an underground culvert system as a way to help moderate temp and humidity, but didn't have the money or patience to do so with the 1st pit tunnel.  I am currently deciding whether I want to install a culvert system in my new pit tunnel that I'm building.  The reasons against doing it are these: I'm tired and sore and don't want to dig anymore; this new tunnel is going to primarily be a fish house, so controlling high temps/humidity isn't really necessary; I think that I can get similar climate control benefits from setting up some fans, maybe ceiling fans, to blow the hottest air down onto the water (half the square footage will be devoted to big fish tanks, about 10,000 gallons' worth).

Thanks for the replies. Did you dig everything by hand? If so, my hat goes off to you! I am considering a small tractor with a backhoe attachment that would hopefully make digging a lot easier. Sounds like some sort of cooling system (mist or otherwise) would be a good idea if the extra cost is feasible. I'm thinking it'd cost anywhere from a few hundred to $1k for the tubing plus fan.

Neat stuff. I'm following this topic so I'll be interested to see how it ends up for you.

I dug the original aquaponics tunnel, the garden pond, and the first pit greenhouse entirely by hand.  For the new pit in this thread, I did the first 1/4 with a Bobcat and the last 3/4 by hand; now I've decided to widen it, though, so by the time that's done it'll be more like 1/5 via Bobcat and 4/5 by hand.  I'm pretty sure at this point that I never want to dig another one by hand again :)

I agree that it's a good idea to incorporate in some sort of climate control system.  I like the buried culvert method: it's fairly easy, low cost, and would help to warm the root zone if you buried the pipe underneath the planting area.  Pumping large volumes of air into my water, rather than through underground culvert piping, produces a similar effect in my aquaponics tunnel, but combining both methods would be better.

I was glad to discover that Fitch (the 'greenhouse in the snow' guy) and Stoilov (a guy doing something similar in Missouri) had employed the culvert method.  I had toyed with the idea in my own mind before encountering their systems, and it's nice to see that they've had success with that method.

Congratulations so far, James. It looks great, and a great idea, too. I've read about the walipinis, but this seems better/efficient. Thank you for the information and please continue to give us updates. I find your project fascinating.

Thanks, Bill :)

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