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Buildng a cheap 100 watt LED

Very good link.
People can read and answer their own questions.
It's very easy to learn basics, that work.
Look at step 4, building your first grow light.
Notice the led the author chose...
I believe this is the same information I started with
building my first led. Except it was on a forum at
the time.

Doug

Something that was not mentioned about flowering.
The day light hours determine the plants cycle.
Simply cutting back the day light hours will induce flowering.
14 hours a day of artificial light trick the plant into thinking its summer time.
That is when the most vegetative growth happens.
That is how I take a dormant fig and put it under lights,
it then takes off growing again.
I have a pic in my link showing a dormant fig with new leaf growth after just 9
days under lights.

  • ricky
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You are right, I am trying this LED light to wake up dormant fig tree at next spring time.

It was posted 3 years ago from posted link earlier, LED power supply burn out quite often ( 50%)? worry me.

I use Lux caculator, at 1 meter distance, 100W LED output Aprom 3,000 lux, Sunrise = 300 lux, slightly shaddy sky = 20,000 lux, bright sunlight = 111,000 Lux , My point is that, it is not even close to Sunlight.

>>On EBay I just picked up a 100 watt red LED for $30 (nice), a 100 watt white for $13 (a bit intense on the eyes) and dozens of ten watt green, red and whites that I'm testing as well as testing a few type of heat sinks and thermal compounds.

>>The 10 and 50 watt red/green/blue LEDs so far are the only ones I don't recommend.

>>I also ordered a bunch of switching power supply parts directly from TI as free samples. The problem with a lot of LED lights are the power supplies giving out. I've found a roughly 40-50% burn out rate in a 12 month period for cheap power supplies but not a single LED has burned out.

>>This is a well known problem in the industry and it really pisses the LED manufacturers off since the layman assumes it's the LEDs themselves going bad in LED lighting.

This thread was only to inspire others to try led lighting.
Personally, how you go about it is not important to me.

I have never had a driver from china fail in the 4 years I have used them.
Not one in 8?

I bought the cheapest kit to show the simplicity of led lighting.
It's not the best parts out there, nobody said they were.
It is a inexpensive way to learn about led lighting.


Doug

At the end I have a indiscreet looking light in my dining room
that runs 14 hours a day.
Plants love it and no heads turn while driving by.
ricky, your success rate sounds like a person connecting the led
backwards then blaming the led.

My LED arrives today according to postal tracking.
I will post pics and a video of soldering the LED terminals.
Gimme a few days and when I have time I will document the assembly and
post it here.

Notice, you all take your own risk when playing with 120v ac.
I assume no responsibility of someone screwing up and getting shocked or burning your house down.

It really is not that big of a deal with this light.
 
I ended my career in the HVAC business I owned and operated, so I do have
high voltage working experience.

Anyone considering to build your own led needs to read the link provided
in its entirety. This will save a million silly questions that are all answered right there.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HandsOnComplexity/

This alone is the same information I started with 5 years ago.

Doug

IMG_20161026_215029 by Doug B, on Flickr

The light is done.
Cost, less than $30.

Will do a write up on how I assembled next

Doug

So what I did was use thermal paste on center square where LED is on opposite sides.
I used 5 mim epoxy on the rounded ends of Led and glued it to the heat sink.
The next day I looked around for what I could use to make a small reflector.
I had a old florescent light fixture and removed the end plates.
These I drilled and mounted to heat sink bolts. It took a metric #4 nut.
Then I found a wall wart that produced 12v and 1 amp. I epoxied the 12v power supply
to the light reflector.
I then also used epoxy to attach power supply to other end of reflector.
Now all I have to do is solder my wires.
The driver is marked L or N at one end with orange wires. I took a plug in cord and cut plug off it.
I soldered L (line) to my white or hot on my 120v plug and soldered N (neutral) to the black or common wire.
The hot 120v line will attach to the big side terminal on the plug.
I now have a plug in driver and can test output of driver.
On my driver they used white wire as + to LED and black wire as - negative.
I fed wires through fixture and soldered to the LED.
The last thing I had to do was wire in my fan. Ignore the yellow wire and attach
red from fan to a fuse holder then to + on 12v power pack. Black to negative wire.

The last thing I had to do was take a extension cord and push it down on my 12v fan driver.
I took the plug I attached to power the driver and plugged it into the extension cord as well.
I used a wire tie to attach my power cord to the chain I hung my ligh with.
This takes any weight off the cord and accidentally pulling connections apart.

Then I plugged in my light and kicked back enjoying my new silent grow light.

how to build led link by Doug B, on Flickr


Doug

10,240 lux at plant height

looks like you have to click on left side of picture to view the light. The epoxied led is first pic to the right.
New to flicker, photobucket has site errors so I had to switch.

  • ricky
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I haven't receive my LED kit yet, However, I am worry about installing heatsink, So I will try your "5 mim epoxy" and see that it work or not, Please report back that how epoxy hold up with heat.

I am wondering that how do you know that " 10,240" lux at plant height? do you have Lux meter to measure it?

I guess that 100W LED output near 10,000 Lumen, LED bean angle is 120 degree, If  plant distance to LED is 1 meter
http://led.bannerengineering.com/plan-your-project/lux-lumen-calculator/
by using this calculator, I got 3183 lux
which is stronger than morning SUN of 300Lux
but weaker than light cloudy noon Sun at 20,000+ lux

If plant distance is 0.4 meter, I got near 20,000 Lux

Actually that lux is the max that any app could read with a smart phone.
I measured at plant height. It did drop as I got 4 foot plus away from the LED
Using epoxy is stated in the link of information provided.
I suggest you start at the beginning and read it all.

I'm not going to answer questions that are all answered in that link.

The LED uses 1.13 amps @ 122v AC
86.5 watts

Doug

I think the reason that you get higher lux valve is that, you are using a white color reflector, it focus more light energy to plant.

By the way, 1.12Amp @ 122V AC is Watts = Amp X voltage = 1.12 X122 = 136 Watts


I plugged it into a watts up meter. Readings came from it.
Normally I use thermal epoxy, I was out.
Light has been on 15+ hours so far,
Heat sink hardly gets warm. never had a problem yet,  you may.


"I think the reason that you get higher lux valve is that, you are using a white color reflector, it focus more light energy to plant."

How ridiculous, The white reflectors will not concentrate lux.

Not here to bicker with ricky, I very simply showed how I assembled my LED.
How you assemble yours is up to your imagination.


Doug

Doug:

Thanks for your very helpful information.

Here is the best explanation for my watts up meter.

Watts up uses more of an average of all the numbers.
A switcher only pulls what it needs when it needs it? I can't think of a better explanation.
When the switcher input cap is low, current flows in, but when it's AC in, the cap is full before the voltage gets to peak (120v RMS).
Say the sine wave is at 0v when the cap (switcher) needs a drop of power, so when the sine wave increases, a drop of power flows in.
Say the cap gets full when the sine wave reaches 60v, so no more power flows in after that, and the watts up kind of reads the power usage as a drop of amps X 30v, because it's half of 60v multiplied by 120v since 120v is the average voltage in.

Doug

I'm going to share what I learned on this build.
I should have took more time looking at led"s
on ebay and I would recommend that you should look for a water proof driver.
The lens kit provided in this one I bought was for spot light, not a spread out pattern.
So, I will get parts for a hand held spot light later on.
I would advise the use of thermal epoxy, although 5 min epoxy works
fine if let dry overnight.
I recommend attaching your led to the heat sink BEFORE soldering
wires to it. Bend tabs up after soldering.
This prevents overheating the led while soldering.

Last thing I do is put a a dab of hot glue on all 4 wires on driver.
This helps lock in against vibration and it insulates the connection on the circuit board.

The thing is, if you intend on assembling a led light
it is very important to read that link.
Once you have read it, you know about as much about it as I do.

I hope others with a few hand tools build your own led ans show us yours.

Doug


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  • KK

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Just my personal preference but then I have been fried once or twice in my career! And did not like it! Please be carefull with DIY projects using lethal voltages. Even 120vac household current will kill you, I lost a very dear friend to 120 vac house current.



Off topic but this talk of being juiced caused flashbacks of when I was a kid. I was about 10 years old, it was a hot summer day. I lived next door to the McCarthy's, 13 kids, I always had someone to play with. I had the hose out sprinkling a bunch of neighborhood kids on the front lawn. I went around the side to try to  turn up the water volume. I  can see it as if it was yesterday. I stepped into the puddle in the dirt from the dripping faucet, put my right hand on the faucet and rested my left hand on the electrical service pipe that supplied the house. I don't remember anything until I woke up about 6 feet away, flat on my back. The kids told me I was jerking pretty good. Funny thing, if you've ever seen a movie where a kid gets hurt, opens their eyes and sees a circle of people around them looking down, well that's exactly what I saw. Doc said I was really lucky. Turned out the service pipe that supplied the house had an short.

That was a quote from jmrtsus I think. It must have been edited out?
I have not got shocked like that.
I said at the beginning I did not want a idiot to play with 120v.
If your not comfortable with making a light. Buy it.
There is risk in everything, driving even walking down the road now days.
If you can follow directions, there is no reason anybody would get shocked assembling
this LED.
Doug

That will work.

Nice find.


Doug

I'm only attempting to show others that grow indoors,
the advantage of using led lighting.
How you go about getting the led lighting is up
to you. People will still have to play with 120v ac
to attach a cord to your linked light.
But it would work, could be mounted to a stand easily.

Pricing on led lighting is dropping.
It is now at least doable, whether you build or buy.

Doug

Anybody running growing lights, please consider the extra safety by installing a smoke detector
in your closet or where ever your lights are running.

My $27 100 watt LED still running 12 hours a day since the day I assembled and installed.


Doug

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  • KK

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Originally Posted by SCfigFanatic
Anybody running growing lights, please consider the extra safety by installing a smoke detector in your closet or where ever your lights are running.



Smoke detectors are a MUST!

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Agreed KK, I meant to say this at the beginning.....
Safety first friends.

Doug

For those not trying the project due to people saying chineese LED's are junk....
Worry not, my $27 100 watt led has been running every single day since
I built this one.
And it runs from 12-14 hours a day, every day.
Best thing of it is, my all electric 4 bedroom home costs less than $70 a month
during winter to live comfortably and light up a closet and keep it warm.
Not bad eh?
I just started sweet basil, tomatoes and a few others with my 3 cup method.
The basil will smell things up pretty.
I read basil will not grow under cool white led's.
Somebody please try it. I see your cool white led's.


Doug


Doug... I personally value your information and guidance... I haven't tried it for no other reason other than a lack of confidence in my ability to convert instructions into the final product.... Otherwise, I would be all over it...

Thanks.
Heck, years ago I wrote thread telling how my grandpa used to score his
plants with his fingernail then replant that cutting.
Others jumped on the idea, but I already had pictures to show how scoring a fig cutting
rooted. Look how far that has spread.

Doug

I just enjoy trying to help others grow figs.
Not my favorite home grown fruit, but good.

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