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Let’s begin with actual wastes of water in the state of California. Thanks to Environmental Protection Agency regulations as well as local state regulations aimed at protecting the three-inch Delta smelt, a fish about which Americans supposedly care deeply, California currently pumps 150 billion gallons of usable water out to sea each year. Normally, that water would go to the fields of the Central Valley, the fruit and nuts producing region of California that supplies so many of those goods to the rest of the country. Instead, the entire region has gone dry, jacking unemployment rates up to 40 percent in some areas.

The smelt aren’t the only fish benefitting from generous water usage by the state of California. In 2014, Congressman Tom McClintock (R-CA) explained, “last month the Bureau of Reclamation drained Folsom and other reservoirs on the American and Stanislaus rivers of more than 70,000 acre feet of water – enough to meet the annual needs of a city of half a million people – for the comfort and convenience of fish.” The goal: to push baby salmon to the Pacific Ocean, where they swim anyway, and to change the temperature of the water for their benefit. According to the Center for Biological Diversity, the state of California wastes 260 billion gallons of water each year “saving salmon” and for “other conservation purposes.”

But the biggest problem in California is that the government has refused to build the reservoirs and dams necessary to actually save water when the rain does come. As the Wall Street Journal points out, Israel has weathered droughts for years. So has Arizona. Both built infrastructure. California has not, largely because politicians like Jerry Brown stopped such construction decades ago.

California’s drought is partly about weather, but it’s just as much about government mismanagement. Environmentalism trumped good policy; now, subsidies trump rational distribution via market pricing. The result: a very smelly situation.


Yes greenbud it worked.   We got about 0.25" of rain and I think I put about 3 inches of water in my back yard.

Modifications: 1. Next season it might pay to have a reservoir.  2. a couple sand bags could help guide more water towards the funnel.  and one on top might hold the funnel in place  so I would not have to sit in the rain the whole time.

Cheers,
           Tim   Zone 10a

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Originally Posted by ako1974
I ran across this on CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/01/us/california-water-restrictions-drought/index.html
It puts a lot of pressure on everyone. How does this affect home gardeners/fruit growers? Do I have it right that farmers/nurseries purchase water rights to a certain amount of water?
I hope you guys get some rain...


The rain, even in a superfluous year is no where near enough for anything except the native plants (no surprise!). Specifically, in terms of fruiting plants in coastal-influenced metropolitan areas it is sufficient for Holly Leaf Cherry and not much else.

Agriculture in California is a product of irrigation. We are now in the throws of balancing our resources with the real need for drinking water, water for crops, and "recreational" water. People who study the regulations generally do well. For myself, I have fruit trees but no lawn. Years ago I noticed that my sister-in-law in New Jersey had a one acre lawn which only required supplemental watering by a rainbird sprinkler for 2 weeks out of the year. At that point I decided that trying to support the habit of having a lawn in California was pure greed.


It's raining in Los Angeles again.

Less shortage of water hopefully for the coming summer.

It is sprinkling , not raining :(

Crunbar, I'm happy your hard work and ingenuity paid off.  Hope you weren't sitting out there in lightening, though...

It's in the mid thirties here in WI, raining, lightening and thundering.

LOL   No lightening comrade.  Rest assured the likelihood of me continuing to sit my wet butt on top of the funnel would decrease with the proximity of lightening.  

please enjoy the miracle of your rain.

Tim Zone 10a

I agree with you Richard, about lawns.   The water i brought into my yard was for the trees.  Santa Barbara is offering free mulch to put in our yards.  I plan to have a yard of mulch and fruit trees.  My massive redwoods are near the perimeter of the property.

Tim  Zone 10a

A solution posted in the Dry Farming thread seems like the answer for plants, trees, and veggies during a drought and after.  It's kinda a wick system in ground and encourages roots to grow deep.  It takes 4 gallons of water at planting to get it primed, and no water after that.  The roots reach the water table, and they grow on their own.  Kinda amazing how it works.  They have tons of videos of trees they have planted in dry deserts, and rocky hills in Spain.  I'm planning to get 10 of these for new rooted fig and grapevine cuttings.  Robert Mondavi is testing these side by side with the growboxx next to drip irrigation rows, and after a year, the growbox roots were deep and the ground was easier to penetrate.  Their website is here.  I've spent a couple days learning.  Amazing stuff.  After a year, you reuse the boxes for new plants.

Suzi

Ctrunbar, I assure you I appreciate our rain and aquifers.  We moved to WI in 1991 from No. VA.  There we were on city water and some summers the cracks in clay were frightening.  I mulched and watered and worried.  One summer here I spent more that an hour a day carrying buckets.  Right now we are about 3 inches below normal from the first of the year.  I'm not sure what's coming up for the summer.  I will be mulching heavily, and looking into future key hole growing areas.  Can't take anything for granted...

In my experience, low water = low quality fruit. End of story.

Richard, expand on that.  Low water in vineyards = great wine.  From experience.  Yours?

Suzi

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Richard, expand on that.  Low water in vineyards = great wine.  From experience.  Yours?
Suzi

Low water compared to what? For vineyards it would make more sense if we are talking about inches per week per season. In some wine growing regions the annual rainfall is over 100 inches, and in others it is 4 inches. The concept of low water in those two extremes is different. I was referring to the latter scenario and only watering 4 inches every other week throughout the year.



Well, this thread is about drought in California.  Not about quality of fruit.  I do believe that we all need to cut back on the water, and we already have.  We replaced our lawn with a fake lawn AKA putting green.  It's just gorgeous all the time.  But hot as concrete if you go barefoot on it.  Looks good though. 

I'm really interested in how to increase our vineyard and orchards with zero water, and I think the Groasis Tech might be the answer.

Suzi

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... I'm really interested in how to increase our vineyard and orchards with zero water, and I think the Groasis Tech might be the answer. Suzi

I wish you well there. The prognosis from decades of research by UC Riverside is not good though.

pitangadiego  Interesting article.    Do you agree with the article's conclusion that farmers are getting too much water based on their relative
economic contribution to the state?  For  example it points out that "
 A full 10 percent of California’s water goes to farming almonds – 1.1 trillion gallons of water..."  yet all CA farming only accounts for 2% of the CA economy.  

Maybe almonds are not the best use of limited resources.  However I must say, I am in favor of inexpensive food.

I heartily agree we should have been building more dams a reservoirs.

Tim Zone 10a

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Originally Posted by crunbar
Harvey

last night, I think it was ABC News that stated 80% of used California surface water goes to agriculture and 20% to "all other uses." 

As for exporting water intensive crops, is this not a case of the government subsidizing private business?  We in suburban areas pay far higher water prices, even if we are growing food.

Tim  Zone 10a

BTW I also collect rain water from my roof into trash cans.


Tim, that's because they knock off 50% for environmental uses before figuring out the percentage of other uses.  Ag uses 40% of water in the state.  See http://www.ppic.org/main/publication_show.asp?i=1108 or many other resources which factor in environmental uses

I've also read that the through state and federal contracts/obligations, 120% of all surface water has been allocated.  First they started running deficits with our money and then our water.

Harvey thanks for this reference: 
  • "Environmental water provides multiple benefits. 
    Environmental water use falls into four categories: water in rivers protected as "wild and scenic” under federal and state laws, water required for maintaining habitat within streams, water that supports wetlands within wildlife preserves, and water needed to maintain water quality for agricultural and urban use. Most water allocated to the environment does not affect other water uses. More than half of California’s environmental water use occurs in rivers along the state’s north coast. These waters are largely isolated from major agricultural and urban areas and cannot be used for other purposes. In the rest of California where water is shared by all three sectors, environmental use is not dominant (33%, compared to 53% agricultural and 14% urban)."
  • ..end quote.   I wish this would also be a wake up call against the ridiculously popular view that perpetual economic growth (which I believe is largely based on population growth) is always good and will always be possible.
  • Tim Zone 10a

http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_24993601/california-drought-past-dry-periods-have-lasted-more?source=infinite

Good article on the history of Ca climate.

I dont know what the solution is for the west coast or even if there is a solution. There's plenty of blame to go around and that can be shared by everyone across the country. Knowing where your food comes from and the impact it has on the environment is something noone really thinks about.
Paving thousands of miles of road and diverting water to aquaducts that moves it out to sea instead of letting the land obsorb the water is also a huge issue noone ever thinks about.

I also think many forget that we live on a planet with finite resources and we cant just expand, create and consume. Nature eventually rights things. Everything in nature is self healing, from plants and small animals right up to Humans. This includes the earth and nature itself. Mother earth has one thing on her side. Time. We can destroy or air, water and soils. Mother nature will fix it all. It just wont be on our time. If it takes 100,000 years or a million or more she will fix herself. We just wont be happy because it wont be within our lifetimes. It may not even be within our species lifetime. 

I think we forget that the sytems in place on this planet have evolved over millions of years. Yes we can exploit those systems for a time but eventually we will do to much damage and it will catch up with us. I think it can be argued that its already catching up. Our soils get depleted more and more every year, our air is polluted, our water is polluted, cancer and other diseases are through the roof.

The bottom line is we cant keep going the way we are. Either we stop what we are doing and start working and living in harmony with nature or we will destroy ourselves. For the smartest species on the planet we definitely do a lot of stupid things.

Can we build desalinization plants? Sure we can. At what cost to the environment? Can we build more dams? Sure we can but at what cost? We could probably turn death valley into a green oasis but is it the right thing to do just because we can?

3-4 generations ago they would have laughed at you if you told them you wouldnt be able to drink the water from the lakes, streams and rivers in a couple of generaitons, yet here we are.
Right now we are probably at a point where what we do now will decide if there is even going to be 3-4 more generations. At our current rate of destruction my best guess is there may still be humans but the population is going to be greatly reduced. The reasons are many but the biggest one is we cant think about things more than an election cycle into the future.
We have over 100 nuke plants here in the US. I have no idea how many world wide. We are smart enough to build them and run them pretty much problem free for decades yet we have no solution for the disposal of the waste from them. arguably the most hazardous waste that humans produce yet we have no plan to deal with it other than to bury it onsite. I guess we can be thankful they didnt come up with this 10,000 years ago when the sea levels were 400 feet lower. None of us would exist now if they had. I know thats a bit off topic but just pointing out how stupid us humans can be sometimes.

Jeff said, "...The reasons are many but the biggest one is we cant think about things more than an election cycle into the future...."    

 I agree with most of your thinking.


One of the big problems with our democracy is there is no practical nor severe penalty for lying while running for office (unlike the U.K.), even when it can be proved that the PAC or candidate know they are lying.  If not for this fact I would have no problem with  the "Citizens United" ruling.

You know there are plenty of politicians that know dar n well that climate change is aggravated by humans, but corrupt politicians say what they think their ill-informed  base wants to hear.

Think about it.  It's illegal to shout fire in a crowded theater, or joke that you have a bomb on a plane. However, when we are electing the person who has the power to precipitate World War lll,   PACS  (with anonymous super wealthy donors) can flood all media with  any lie they please about any presidential candidate.

The beauty of democracy is we all get to judge the competition of ideas, but this is only practical if we have the facts. Therefore, I believe all political lies are crimes against democracy and humanity.  

Cheers
              Tim Zone 10a

Possible storm this week... Who-Raw!   The local Santa Barbara weatherman says possible Wednesday or Thursday.   The weather channel's web site says 50% for tomorrow (Tuesday).  Guess I'll lay out most of my 200ft of firehose (see post #33) tonight, just in case.

I hope to be sitting in the rain by this time tomorrow.... go baby go!

Tim Zone 10a

I don't know what I'm going to do with all that rain..<G>

http://www.wunderground.com/weather-forecast/US/CA/Simi_Valley.html

Oh well..

Latest tiers,2-9.......

http://www.swrcb.ca.gov/waterrights/water_issues/programs/drought/docs/emergency_regulations/draft_usage_tiers.pdf

I'm in Ventura District 8,looking @ -28%.I'm on clay so I think I can make that work.

Good Luck!

Paul


 

Yes, CA is a historically dry part of the world. The elephant in the room however, is the effect that the ongoing geoengineering program is having on weather patterns worldwide. The people of Bologna, Italy, took to the streets this past weekend to demand that this program be stopped. We in the US, blame cycles or bad luck to the rediculous amount of weather events that have no precedent. Perhaps it is too late already, but for my kids and grandkids, I hope not.

Why can't you use a pool for water storage? I'm sure it's not legal but eventually it will be released or evaporated. You could burry a cheap pool and build a cover over it.

Good Luck!

Paul

Thanks Paul.  My street is on a long hill.  So, I think I can corral even a fairly modest flow of water, into the funnel connected to my fire hose, with some plastic trash bags turned into sand bags.  I like the non-water-permeable plastic so the sand (dirt really) doesn't become waterlogged and too heavy to pull off the street curb when I'm done. 

Gary, I'm embarrassed for US, particularly for my short-sighted, self-indulgent, baby boomer generation.

Hershell, I'm going to look into your Cheap Swimming Pool idea, for next season.  Tanks for the great suggestion.

giggle 
Tim zone 10a

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