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Hi every one,
I live in north Africa. where I live the male fig is not easy to get, every year my figs get fall off the trees . I could not get male fig cutting to grow male fig.
therefore, I am starting seedling. hopefully 20 to 30 seedling. so I can get male fig trees.
Will I be able to get any male fig trees???
If I will get any: Will it be a good male fig tree?
If any one has any experience growing seeding please let me know what is my chances?

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Hello Saad,

What is the variety of the tree letting all figs to drop immature ??
May be the place or person where you got it from knows and help  you to sort out the problem

The tree you have may also be another caprifig  .. Caprifigs do let all its figs to drop as well
However an isolated caprifig does not help much... You still need to have 'fig wasps'
Are these wasps in your area ??

Seedlings require fertile seeds, having a minute kernel inside!  not hollow seeds.
To find out if seeds are fertile.. clean/wash them well  and drop the seeds inside a clean transparent glass with water
Good/fertile seeds will sunk   .... non-fertile,  ..float

If you go to Monastir or Mahamdia in Tunisia, near your western border,  you may get good potted Caprifigs trees as well as wasps .  Over there they grow many Smyrna fig varieties and caprifigs and wasps are available
good luck

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Very insightful Francisco! 

Saad, at least half of your seedlings will be male, but like Francisco says you also need the wasp, and the wasp needs fruiting male trees to reproduce and pollinate female trees. You may be able to determine if the tree you already have is male by cutting the dropped figs open and looking at the flowers. Male figs contain the 2 types of flowers shown on the left (the first only appear in the first crop of figs), while female figs only contain the flowers shown on the right. Francisco may need to correct me, I am not sure if the differences will be apparent at such an early stage of development. Good luck to you!
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Thank you very much guys, this is a geat information.

I am sure that all my trees are female trees, because a few years ago I managed to get Caprifigs for them, their figs didn't fall as much as this year and last year as  I could not get Caprifigs for them.

I will grow fig seeds to get Caprifigs, and hopefully in January/February I will try to get Caprifigs cuttings or potted Caprifig trees.

again that was very helpful information

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Male figs are present in Tunisia, Morocco and Egypt.
I think it's a bit further from your area so you will need to roam around your neighborhood to find one.

If you try to grow them from seed your problem has not solved yet because the wasps to transfer the pollen is still absent.

So you will need male figs AND wasps.

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Hi,
Plus growing from seed, you'll have to wait 5+ years for them to bare fruit.
Better take a car and find a wild tree and get some cuttings from a wild-male.
With cuttings you can get ready in one year or two ...

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Hi,
Plus growing from seed, you'll have to wait 5+ years for them to bare fruit.
Better take a car and find a wild tree and get some cuttings from a wild-male.
With cuttings you can get ready in one year or two ...


hi agian.
so if i get caprifig cuttings and will be able to grow 4 or 5 caprifig trees. or l grown seedling and got afew caprifig trees.
what about waps.?
l heard some growers not very far (40-50km) have good caprifigs. do you think wasps will travel to my caprifig trees.
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You go visit those growers and get some caprifig trees.

Once those trees are well estabilished and producing figs then you make another trip and get some wasp-laden caprifigs to carry back to your place and introduce them to your caprifig plants.

Then you will have your own wasp colony.

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Thank you " helike13" very much. this is very useful information.

But what do you mean with (wasp-laden caprifigs)?
do you mean cabrifigs that contains wasps like those ready in May for female fig trees?

again thank you very much 


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Thank you " helike13" very much. this is very useful information.

But what do you mean with (wasp-laden caprifigs)?
do you mean cabrifigs that contains wasps like those ready in May for female fig trees?

again thank you very much 



Hello Saad,

Watch this clip please...



Between minute 4 and minute 10 you have a resumé of the whole Caprifig mystery shown and talked about by fellows speaking the same language , I hope.
May be Gafsa in Tunisia  is not that far from your place and you could make a preparatory visit now to plan your coming moves to find/pick/buy 'wasp laden' ripe  Caprifigs next year in June to caprificate your Smyrna types and eventually any existing Caprifig.
Soon the market there will be full of 'world class' figs and ,  vendors , I hope, will be glad to make an appointment for the ideal timing next season for the availability of the Caprifig crop (Profichi) full of wasps  ... in arabic , this Profichi  translates to - dhokkar!!

good luck
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thank you very much Francisco
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thank you very much Francisco


You are welcome Saad
Can you post a picture of your fig tree ? Am interested to see its structure..

Francisco
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You are welcome Saad
Can you post a picture of your fig tree ? Am interested to see its structure..

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this is one of my fig trees. I have other trees . I will send them later.

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Hello Saad, 
Nice Fig tree, it would be suprising that there are no Caprifigs in your area..
Are you from Tunisia ?


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this is one of my fig trees. I have other trees . I will send them later.


Thank you for sharing your fig picture.
It's nice, robust and healthy tree .
If that tree was mine, I would do the following:

- Enlarge that shallow reservoir around the main trunk , say an additional meter on the diameter at least.

- Mulch the whole new area with organic products, at least 15 to 20 CM.. wood chips, straw, etc..leaving 30 to 50 CM free around the trunk
This will keep the soil under the canopy with sufficient moisture for a much longer time between watering..and your tree will 'tell' you soon how much happy it is. Think that you are loosing a lot of water through evaporation mainly through the dry months

-You may decide to utilize the existing piping and attach at its end near the tree a circular manifold for drip irrigation
conveniently programmed (timing and flow) according to local environment .

Regarding this particular tree as shown in the picture, noticed that the leaf sizes and shapes seem very similar to a great black fig from Tunisia I am growing here (on a pot)... and like yours , my fig requires caprification !! Probably the same variety (?) .

Tell me please if you have any other bigger trees so I may suggest an alternative for you to have caprifigs soon in your orchard
Francisco
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Hello Saad, 
Nice Fig tree, it would be suprising that there are no Caprifigs in your area..
Are you from Tunisia ?


Jamel.


Hi Jamel
I'm from Libya "Sahel Aljafara", unfortunately caprifigs is not very will available where I live. it is brought from far areas and sold at open market once a week. but because it is transported for long journeys wasps gets hurt, so clarification is not done properly.
that's why I am planing to grow caprifig trees and have my own colony.
I could not get cutting yet. therefore I am not going to wait. I am going to grow them by seeds.

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Thank you for sharing your fig picture.
It's nice, robust and healthy tree .
If that tree was mine, I would do the following:

- Enlarge that shallow reservoir around the main trunk , say an additional meter on the diameter at least.

- Mulch the whole new area with organic products, at least 15 to 20 CM.. wood chips, straw, etc..leaving 30 to 50 CM free around the trunk
This will keep the soil under the canopy with sufficient moisture for a much longer time between watering..and your tree will 'tell' you soon how much happy it is. Think that you are loosing a lot of water through evaporation mainly through the dry months

-You may decide to utilize the existing piping and attach at its end near the tree a circular manifold for drip irrigation
conveniently programmed (timing and flow) according to local environment .

Regarding this particular tree as shown in the picture, noticed that the leaf sizes and shapes seem very similar to a great black fig from Tunisia I am growing here (on a pot)... and like yours , my fig requires caprification !! Probably the same variety (?) .

Tell me please if you have any other bigger trees so I may suggest an alternative for you to have caprifigs soon in your orchard
Francisco
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Thank you francisco for these useful recommendations

I've done some improvements as per your recommendations. see photo


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Think it's better now,,
In your environment, providing you have  water available (you do not need much).. mulching would help the growth and fruit production of all your trees... and yopu shall be using much less water.

Been looking into your plan to have caprifigs in your yard as soon as possible.
I would suggest then,  that you take a couple of your fig trees,  where you would arrange to graft 2 or 3 caprifig buds on selected branches... this could be done during the second half of  this coming August.
If you are not prepared to do this job.. may you have a friend with sufficient experience to do it



You need  to get a few nice/healthy 1 year old caprifig branches from where  to select the best buds to graft on your trees
There will be plenty of buds on those branches and you may even graft more and later select the best ones.
See the fellow on the attached clip how he does it.... If you graft late in August I assume (in your climate) that the grafts will easily take, stay dormant through fall and winter and will grow strong shoots next spring...
With a bit of luck you may see caprifigs on the young branches but one season after I am confident that you shall start seeing many caprifigs ready for wasps.

This method of grafting (budding) is very easy and once there is ample cambium area in contact the chances are great.
(practically no way to get it wrong) ..The smoother the rootstck branch the better.

Tell me if you understand what I propose on the above lines.

Francisco
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