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Can you help me identify these Figs?

Can any one help me figure out what variety these figs are? I planted 10 of each last fall. they are doing great.
here are some pics  of the fruit and the leaves


Figs from Beverly Hills, black 2.jpeg Figs from Beverly Hills, black 3.jpeg Figs from Beverly Hills, white 3.jpeg 


I wish I could help. If interested in trading some cuttings from them please pm or email me.  I'd love to try them and have many varieties I can share with you in return. 

Aaron, those look amazing! It's cold and rainy here in Alabama and all my trees have been dormant for at least a month :( Hey, if you post full pics of the most typical leaf and a split section of the fruit showing the interior it helps a lot, also your source (i.e., chances of getting 'Ronde de Bordeaux' at Home Depot is slim to none.) 

Rick, fruits are gone so i can't post sectional cut pix but the leaves are just as you see in pix.
Some one said the white one looks like ARMENIAN variety because of the eye size and the fruit size which is about 2.5-3.5 inches on the width and 2 inches hight.
The black one has the tendency to split sometimes and it has so much honey in it that it attracts bees and they slit open the fruit even more to eat the pulp and honey. the size of the black ones is 2 inches wide and 3+ inches high.

these pics are from last summer. it's the pix that's on my profile. (have to work on the file size, LOL)
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this is the white in more details.

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this is the black in more details

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Hi Aaron

Very nice figs you have there.

The black fig, looks a 'Rouge de Bordeaux' or a 'Pastillière'

Let me show a very.. very old sketch and commentary written by one of your most knowledgable Fig Founding Fathers,  around 1901- Gustav Eisen -
Compare this with your pictures and may be we are not much far away from the good name..

The white is far more difficult to identify .. it could be very similar to a dozen of diff varieties..

By the way,. are you aware of any Caprifgs (wasps) near your figs ?

Francisco

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I agree with Francisco... those are very nice looking figs.  I especially like the look of that dark fig.  Not sure if it's Pastilliere (could be), but it sure looks nice.

Mike

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Originally Posted by lampo
Hi Aaron

Very nice figs you have there.

The black fig, looks a 'Rouge de Bordeaux' or a 'Pastillière'

Let me show a very.. very old sketch and commentary written by one of your most knowledgable Fig Founding Fathers,  around 1901- Gustav Eisen -
Compare this with your pictures and may be we are not much far away from the good name..

The white is far more difficult to identify .. it could be very similar to a dozen of diff varieties..

By the way,. are you aware of any Caprifgs (wasps) near your figs ?

Francisco

Hi Francisco. Thanks for the info. Since I am new to fig cultivation, could you explain me what Caprifigs and and wasps? If you are referring to wasps that in know which are bee looking but bigger insects then yes. That's what eats the black figs off of the tree;)



Aaron,

The reason for my question comes from the great and and positive impact caused by your black fig, showing that deep red full pulp and a cracked ostiole... These signs could be an indicator of the presence of nearby Caprifigs and their fig wasps which some time at early Summer (end of June) could have pollinated your figs (?).
Over and above this, I believe not to be wrong, admitting that Caprifigs may still exist in your area.
You should not be worried having Caprifigs as neighbors.. In your place, I would be extremely HAPPY !!

The wasp which pollinates figs (Blastophaga psenes)  is a very minute insect (2.5 mm) which lives inside the Caprifig, totally inoffensive, and thanks to it we enjoy now many hundreds of excellent and some fabulous varieties of figs .

Let me suggest you check this link, with many related sub-links and read extremely use full information on the sex of the fig flowers, Caprifigs, pollination, etc..

http://waynesword.palomar.edu/pljune99.htm#fighybrid

cheers
Francisco

waw, so much information out there.
thank you so much Francisco.

If those turn out to be common parthenocarpic (self-fertile) figs (say, Black Ischia, Black Triana, and Italian Honey), you might want to protect the figs next year from wasps, bees, and yellow jackets. Heard a lot of forum members recommend buying (or making) reusable fruit organza bags to tie over the "fruits" until they're ready to pick.

I'm on it as we speak, I found great suppliers of Organza bags.
Thanks for the recommendation Rick.

Quote:
Originally Posted by lampo
Hi Aaron

Very nice figs you have there.

The black fig, looks a 'Rouge de Bordeaux' or a 'Pastillière'

Let me show a very.. very old sketch and commentary written by one of your most knowledgable Fig Founding Fathers,  around 1901- Gustav Eisen -
Compare this with your pictures and may be we are not much far away from the good name..

The white is far more difficult to identify .. it could be very similar to a dozen of diff varieties..

By the way,. are you aware of any Caprifgs (wasps) near your figs ?

Francisco

Francisco, are those RdB and Pastillier Unifera? because I passed by the mother tree last week and took picture of it and to my surprise there were no brebas on it. So, I am thinking she is a Unifera tree. 2014-03-23 14.55.28.jpg 

Yes, these figs are Unifera .. pls see this page

http://www.fig-baud.com/cataloguefiguiers/catpastiliere.html

Francisco

the leaf shape doesn't seem to match with Pastiliere. but if you have fig wasps in the area, you might be lucky and get to have Pastiliere that will stick around. most people have problem with Pastiliere not holding on and either dropping or not ripening completely on the tree. some thinks that they need caprification. but i heard well ripen Pastiliere is amazing. 

Pete,
On post NR 8 of this topic have attached a copy taken from Eisen's fig book where at that remote time a guy sketched the fig shapes as well as the contours of the leaf.
Looking at that same sketch do you think that profile may represent the majority of leaves on the Pastiliere variety ?

Francisco

francisco, 

the pix of the drawing is the correct for. it should have 3 distinct lobs. it looks somewhat like trident. the pix on the post #7 does not match. pix on the post #5 shows more rounded lobes. maybe they look different due to being taken off the tree. currently growing two Pastiliere to test if i can get fig off them. their original source is both from baud. i'll post pix later today. the leaves have more pointed end. also has USDA/UCD Pastiliere.. they all died. 

here it is.. this is from last yr when they were first rooted. 

Pastiliere_Baud_side.JPG 


Pete,

That's similar to a potted fig I am growing now to test its ability to behave near the Smyrna varieties like ours blacks and whites, Zidi, DFIC0023 and others. I am curious to watch Pastiliere in a 10+ zone, near the sea front and see what it does completely exposed to wasps.

Francisco

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francisco, 

i would be very interested knowing how the Pastiliere will behave if it gets pollinated. i heard Pastiliere does not need pollination to put on the figs, but lot of people are noticing fig drop. those that doesn't get aborted, i heard is amazing. i'm planning to put one of them in the SIP system to see if more consistent watering will prevent the drop. 

also i'm wondering if ants can be used for pollination.. there are very tiny ants around there that goes in and out of figs through the eyes. if the caprifigs can be rooted, maybe they can do wasps work... 

is RdB same as Pastillier? I am growing 2 Pastilliers and also several of this variety from the pic. I'll be able to compare the leaves of these two later. 

not with Ronde dB. but some say it's same as Rouge dB. 

Pastiliere was amazing but kept breaking my heart.

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