this is so funny, all this time I wanted to acquire Rouge de B... not knowing Pastellier is IT, haha, thanks Pete.

Martin, how did it break your heart? would the fruits fall with you too?

it's still up in the air if Rouge dB is same as Pastiliere. there are few members growing them to compare. 

as to martin, to his taste, Pastiliere was the one of the best. however, the darn thing has dropsie. 

Yes Pete, I shall keep you posted on what this Pastiliere - aka Rouge de Bordeaux - is going to react.

Francisco

Hallo,
hier in Deutschland IST Pastiliere not so popular, because it is not so sweet.
But it ripes very early.

kind regards
Dennis

Dennis, they probably need more heat to ripen.

Hallo Aaron,
diese could be true but many other varieties are much better tasting here in Germany.
And other "Pastiliere-Owner" in Germany have the same opinion. 

Kind regards
Dennis

yes, it all comes to Climate adjusted varieties for any Zone. So, what grows best in Germany Dennis?