In my opinion, at least here in zone 7, I have never gotten a breba from celeste. I don't mean to ripen, just never formed. I have grown at least a dozen celeste strains. Now I know that members have chimed in and said they get breba from celeste, but I think they are in the deep south. But my problem is, if they get breba's shouldn't I at least get a breba start that may not mature?