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Celeste questions...

It seems that there is a lot of differing information on the internet.  I have tried to do my due diligence before asking ridiculous questions by searching this form and using search engines.  My first question is in regard to the crop, I know that Celeste does not put on a breba crop and from my understanding this is the first crop that takes place on older wood.  That would obviously mean to me at least that Celeste puts on a crop on it's new growth.  However I actually read somewhere earlier that it doesn't do well with dying back to the ground because though it will grow back that year it does not put on figs on new growth.  Now I am just confused, I was sure the reason this particular fig did so well in Tennessee is do to the fact that it can die back, grow from the roots and produce that season.  My family in NC has only grown Southern Brown Turkey and they never die back at least near the coast.  So what's the deal with Celeste?  If it dies back and I loose the wood (though I plan on protecting) will I not get a crop off of these trees?  My other question relates to Cold Hardiness, I know some of you have done a lot of research and field testing.  How would you rate Celeste vs Hardy Chicago or similar varieties?  Also rate the flavor if you would!  Thanks everyone!

I have a brother that lives in Tullahoma, he has 2 Celeste. They prune them to about 2 foot and cover them with leaves. They bear every year.
"gene"

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I have a brother that lives in Tullahoma, he has 2 Celeste. They prune them to about 2 foot and cover them with leaves. They bear every year.
"gene"


Thanks, that is EXACTLY what I thought!  It can be hard sometimes on the search engines trying to navigate through what people think the little twigs they sale will or will not do lol.  That is what I am very thankful for this forum!

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I had two different strains of Celeste in pots. You could tell immediately by the color of the trunk that they were not similar trees.
One dropped its fruit for two years in a row and is gone while the other is a prolific tree that I kept. The color of the ripe fruit is more light red/purple than black.
Celeste has not let me down and has shown a better resistance to winter damage than many other varieties I grow and shows no sign of FMV. For the past two years (in Pot) No die back at all. The trunk is a couple of inches thick, so I leave it outside with no protection at all. But this is Texas. On couple of occasions the temperature would dip to the low teens overnight but then climbs back fairly quickly to the 30's and higher during the day. Despite the moderate winters, many other varieties might still suffer from winter damage.
The flavor is as you'd expect from a common fig. I would describe it as sweet but not as complex as other Dark varieties such as Ronde de Bordeaux, St. Rita and others.  When comparing Celeste to Chicago Hardy, I prefer the flavor of Chicago despite Celeste being more productive.
My Celeste has only one crop. I cannot recall exactly where those new figs appear, but almost sure that they like to grow on new branches.




I live in Charlotte, NC. I have Celeste, Hardy Chicago and Brown Turkey. HC is hardier than both. Celeste is hardier than BT. However, HC is richer in flavor that both. In my zone, I don't winterize either of these 3. Get yourself a Florea. It ripen early and a little larger than Celeste but HC beats them all in flavor and taste.

Hope this helps.

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I had two different strains of Celeste in pots. You could tell immediately by the color of the trunk that they were not similar trees.
One dropped its fruit for two years in a row and is gone while the other is a prolific tree that I kept. The color of the ripe fruit is more light red/purple than black.
Celeste has not let me down and has shown a better resistance to winter damage than many other varieties I grow and shows no sign of FMV. For the past two years (in Pot) No die back at all. The trunk is a couple of inches thick, so I leave it outside with no protection at all. But this is Texas. On couple of occasions the temperature would dip to the low teens overnight but then climbs back fairly quickly to the 30's and higher during the day. Despite the moderate winters, many other varieties might still suffer from winter damage.
The flavor is as you'd expect from a common fig. I would describe it as sweet but not as complex as other Dark varieties such as Ronde de Bordeaux, St. Rita and others.  When comparing Celeste to Chicago Hardy, I prefer the flavor of Chicago despite Celeste being more productive.
My Celeste has only one crop. I cannot recall exactly where those new figs appear, but almost sure that they like to grow on new branches.




 

Did you know they were two different varieties of Celeste when purchasing?  How productive is your Brown Turkey in comparison to your other varieties?( a little off topic I know)...  Sounds like I need some Hardy Chicago, or maybe a lot of Hardy Chicago lol I guess it depends on how it compares to MBVS and RdB in taste and productivity!

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I live in Charlotte, NC. I have Celeste, Hardy Chicago and Brown Turkey. HC is hardier than both. Celeste is hardier than BT. However, HC is richer in flavor that both. In my zone, I don't winterize either of these 3. Get yourself a Florea. It ripen early and a little larger than Celeste but HC beats them all in flavor and taste. Hope this helps.


Interesting, so of those three if you could only choose one which would you choose?  Not that I can only chose one, lol I chose them all, there figs and I love em'.  Just out of curiosity, base one decision figuring in productivity, hardiness and taste.

On a side note, I hear many people rave about Hardy Chicago, is it really that great I mean how big of a taste difference are we talking when compared to the Celeste and Southern Brown Turkey?  How about in comparison to MBVS and RdB?

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Sounds like I need some Hardy Chicago, or maybe a lot of Hardy Chicago lol I guess it depends on how it compares to MBVS and RdB in taste and productivity!



Everybody needs a lot of HC.  It's a top shelf fig all around.  

When the plant dies to the ground the new branches are first generation and will not give fruit.
If you protect the bottom of the branches somehow or cut them low, so you can protect them easily, the new branches will grow from the old branches and therefore be second generation and produce fruit. 

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When the plant dies to the ground the new branches are first generation and will not give fruit.
If you protect the bottom of the branches somehow or cut them low, so you can protect them easily, the new branches will grow from the old branches and therefore be second generation and produce fruit. 


Ah, and the plot thickens! :)  Thanks for the helpful info Mario!  You have them in the ground in your area or just know this from previous experience?

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 If it dies back and I loose the wood (though I plan on protecting) will I not get a crop off of these trees?
I have several different Celestes and the ones that were killed to the ground had a few figs,but only a handful ripened before the first frost a few weeks ago. The oldest Celeste mother tree ~ 38 years old was never killed to the ground,but it is near a building.

These Celeste that were killed to the ground grew back to 6'-8' tall.

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Cold Hardiness  How would you rate Celeste vs Hardy Chicago or similar varieties?
My Hardy Chicago appears to be less prone to cold damage,but the HC will produce and ripen figs on this years new wood versus the Celeste that produces very few ripe figs on new wood.


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Also rate the flavor if you would!
Flavor is subjective. I like variety,but I would pick Hardy Chicago over Celeste or my good :) Brown Turkey.

~ 22 year old Brown Turkey with gallon milk jug at base

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WOW!!!  Barry that was awesome post.  I really appreciate the time you spent to answer my questions and post pictures.  This really is an amazing forum.  There is a wealth of knowledge here that really can't be rivaled.  It is awesome learning how to cultivate the infamous fig and a joy to share with others.  Are you growing other cold hardy cultivars?

Tennesseefig , my grandma told me something similar about grapes, I do have some figs in ground, but I prefer 7 gl pots and keep my trees small, very easy to handle. I'm planning to try the Japanese cordon style where they grow branches side ways about 1 foot off ground and trim the second generation branches to 1 or 2 nodes every year and grow figs on 3rd generation.

We are fortunate here in Texas as they changed the laws (2013) and now we can sell home processed products such as jellies, jams, preserves, pickles, etc.  I think there may restrictions on distributing the products, such as setting up a wholesale operation.  It is a lot of work.

Again great information. Thx Everyone for such clarity on the first vs second year growth question. I had it confused! I have been trying to protect all of this years growth and it sounds like it would be better to keep the trees smaller w more protection. I am trying the 7 gallon pots also. Had 3 trees in ground pots with holes. When we pulled them out of the ground they had grown amazing roots after just 4 months. They are now sitting toasty in the house. Dreaming of figs in AZ.

Just remember brebas grow on one year old growt ,when you prune should leave some of those

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Just remember brebas grow on one year old growt ,when you prune should leave some of those


I was under the impression that Celeste didn't produce a breba crop...

You may be right about Celeste but other varietals do and Brebas will grow on old wood

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Are you growing other cold hardy cultivars?


My experience with my in ground figs is that I usually don't have any damage until the temperature is in the 15-20F range.The new wood on the tips of the branches are killed so you would not get a breba crop from varieties that produce breba figs.IMO,the weather in my area is usually cool and wet so the few breba figs that I have eaten are not very sweet or tasty.

When the temperature is less than 15F,there will be major damage to smaller trees,some will be killed to the ground without protection.Fig trees like my large BT above survive with damage to the newer wood at the tips of the limbs.

My Hardy Chicago,MBVS,LSU Purple,Petite Negri,a mislabeled fig that appears to be a Black Spanish or Black Jack,and a Brooklyn Dark have been killed to the ground without winter protection,but managed to produce ripened fruit on new growth.

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