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Axier

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"Coll de Dama Blanca-Negra" is an sport of the Coll de Dama family (Blanca, Negra, Gris, etc...).
The mother tree of this variety is in a private orchard of a Mallorcan village (Balearic islands).
Like many other Balearic varieties, it has been located and identified by Monserrat Pons, who has unveiled it from its forgotten place.
It produces two kind of figs at the same time: Coll de Dama Blanca and Coll de Dama Negra.
The "white" figs are greenish yellow, and the others are purplish black and a bit bigger than white ones.
Like all the Coll de Dama figs, they are deep red inside and of excellent taste, and very similar in general.
The most interesting characteristic in my opinion, for a non optimal climate, is that they ripen 15 days earlier than Coll de Dama Negra!!

All the above information and the pictures© come from the Monserrat Pons book "Las higueras de las Islas Baleares".
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Have you been able to acquire?
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wow.. now that's truly interesting. something that even martin might like :)
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Wow Jon!  Thanks for the photos and the cuttings of the Coll de Dama Negra!  My climate IS optimal!  Wanna have a race? :-))  I'll bet you my Negra in optimal climate ripens faster than your blanca... which.... well, another story, another time..........

You are a special friend in my life, and thanks from the bottom of my heart!
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I recently have been inquiring about this variant. Does it grow them on the same branch or like my bordissot blanca rimada with one branch all green figs? Or does it make them on the same branch?
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NYPD5229, not yet.
Bullet08, yes it is interesting. Monserrat told me that botanists were to see it.
Suzi my friend, thanks for your words! You will win the race for sure! No bet :-))
Celt, as you see in the last two pictures, they grow in the same branch.
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It's great to see you posting, Axier!  When I was digging around in the beginning, I read all of yours and xon's posts here and in gardenweb!
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wow.. now that's truly interesting. something that even martin might like :)

I have "Bauds Nursery" col de dame noir so no need for another fig plant that probably has similar taste if not the same in my yard .  ; )
It made the figs last season but it was to late for them to ripen as plant is young an still in adjustment of its crop here in my climate.
It will be interesting to see if they ripen before/after/same time as my Black Madeira down the road.
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I have bought Pon's book and I was interested in this variety as well for the same reason that you stated, it can ripen 15 days earlier which could mean the difference of a good crop and a so so crop for me.  Have you grown this variety before and these are also your observations for your climate?  It definitely looks like it could be a good candidate for Canada.
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That's beautiful, I am eventually going to graft all three coll de dames onto one plant but early ripening is always a big plus.

Thanks for sharing axier
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Very nice photos and presentation. Thank you Axier.

Nelson was reading my mind. I have been thinking to graft (at least three of these variants); Coll Dama Ciutat, Cdd Giganta, Dall'osso, Cdd Rimada, Cdd Roja and the CddB-N on my Cdd Noir. I have never done multi-grafting on figs, so it will be interesting.

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scroll back hypocrites!  You are the people that didn't want figs from Europe!
I have the cuttings in my hand.  It is what it is.. And my darling friend and his lady and all the kiddies are welcome.
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Suzi,

I do not understand your statement. Please do not ruin this thread.

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what exactly is the name of this tree, i have seen like 5 names up there. i want one or 2 myself and dont want to get the wrong one. (that could be a expensive mistake).

I am guessing this tree is not grafted and grows this way normal?

got my attention.
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OMG I am now a thread ruiner?
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Axier and I are buddies.  That's a problem?  I don't understand, and I really don't understand  I'm a lady.  No testerone.  Just a girl that likes to grow figs and wine grapes.  So what is the big deal?
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Axier, thanks for posting this.  It looks like an amazing variety.
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Axier,
Thanks for the info.
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You get the best of both worlds. Light vs Dark.
My mother who is 85 yrs old, prefers the dark figs. If you give her a bowl of dark and light figs mixed together, she'll eat the dark first.
I don't care what color they are, as long as they're good!
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Thanks everybody.
Chivas, I have not grown this variety yet. What I say is what Monserrat's book says.
I hope to grow it soon and to verify it.
Garden_whisperer, the exact name is "Coll de Dama Blanca-Negra" and it is not grafted.
if you propagate a cutting of it, you will get the same.

Here, the mother tree:

picture© from the Monserrat Pons book "Las higueras de las Islas Baleares"
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wonder if jon has this one, or anybody else for that matter. please keep us posted on if it is found and if so where. this is one i want for my small collection for sure.
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Axier,
     Thank you very much for the very interesting story and the good photos. The mutation on this particular tree is fascinating.

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Amazing.

Post 20 photo answered my question as to the possibility of two varieties growing together.
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Might be here already.

 Had a guy working for me a few years ago,
he was from Mallorca and loved figs.
He would eat mine and tell me a story about a few  trees his
mom has in  Massachusetts, grown in containers.
He said the cutting was brought by her to US when they moved here.
It was from the tree in her parents backyard.

We've all heard similar stories.
But he told me the tree produces yellow/green and black figs on the same tree.
I didn't believe him, but he insisted it was true.
Thought he was joking with me, so I never asked for a cutting.

While I doubt its the same exact tree in this book
that is in the parents backyard in Mallorca,
that tree is probably not the only one on the island.

Going to try and track this old employee down
and get some cuttings from the tree in MA.
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that would be real nice if the tree is already here.
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I hope you can find that old employee!  I hope you paid him well, so he'll grant you some cuttings!
:-))
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Thank you, Axier, what a fascinating cultivar.  I have cuttings of three of the Col de Dam's from one of our great forum members (thank you), and looks like they will be rooting, so very excited about that.  I would love to acquire this cultivar, since I am a Master Gardener, and really enjoy having unusual cultivars, variegated plants, chimeras, etc.  Please keep us all posted.  I must buy Monserrat Pons book, too.  I would like to expand my fig resource books.  Look forward to more info on this very unusual fig!
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I hope you can find that old employee!  I hope you paid him well, so he'll grant you some cuttings!
:-))
Suzi


Will take a little while,
but I can probably track him down.
Will work on it next month.

He owes me cuttings for all the figs he ate !!!
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I hope you find and him and that he has pictures for us all to drool over, I'm really glad you are here Jack!
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That has to be one of the more interesting trees for sure!  Amazing to have 2 different fruits naturally on the same tree and the fruits next to each other!  Talk about a conversation piece.

Thank you for posting about this cultivar.
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Looks great- Thank you so much for sharing Axier.

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If the pics are from Monserrat Pons then I don't doubt it at all.
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Hey whats up Bill it's all good trust me. I wasn't referring to axier or Mr pons both are genuine people and I wouldn't question either one.


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Sorry Nelson. Must have misread. Obvious misunderstanding. I may have also been feeling a little testy at the time. Again sorry about that. Moving on :-} .
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Thanks everybody for all positive comments, but the merit is of Monserrat, he searched the variety, located, propagated, photographed, studied agronomically and wrote his book to the knowledge of the people. I just transcribe.
Nelson, I'm glad that you're not referring to me.
By the way, I've never sold on ebay (in any case, there is nothing wrong with it), and I have no intention of doing so.
Nor I have ever sold a cutting by other means.
On the other hand, I don't understand some comments questioning the authenticity of this variety.
Why would I do that?  I have more interesting things to do than invent a false variety.
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Axier i do not have any doubts . Example i have fig tree called Panache.
Imagine in head what a slingshot looks like, the panache has one side reverse and one side fully variegated both sides growing off 1 main trunk .
I never seen a fig tree produce both dark and light types but these trees never cease to do the unusual.
I'm fortunate that i do have a tree from Monserrat Pons collection that he rates highly .
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I think this tree was made for Martin, to try and trick him into liking white figs, you can't kill half a tree only to have more white figs grow next to the black ones can you? ;)
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Sorry for possibly being off-topic, but this reminds me of a very unusual ornamental pomegranate (doesn't produce fruits).  Some branches produce double flowers that are red with a small amount of white speckling and other branches produce flowers that are mostly white with light red speckling.  I obtained cuttings from Davis USDA GRIN but they say they aren't sure if the particular branch my cuttings were obtained from will result in the same mixture or all of one color.  I wonder about the same with Coll de Dama Blanca-Negra.  Has it been propagated with the same results?
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Just to make a clarification for you Axier and everyone else. I think it was just a misunderstanding from what Nelson said. He wasn't directing any doubts toward you Ax or Mr. Pons. He made this clarification in post #36.  Sometimes we have a thought and it doesn't come out at all how we meant it when it's typed out in print. I think this was the case here.

I know Nelson is a good guy and I believe this was just a case of "lost in translation". Sorry Nelson. 
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I am not angry, no problem for my side!
Let us return to talk about figs, only figs! :-))
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Sorry for possibly being off-topic, but this reminds me of a very unusual ornamental pomegranate (doesn't produce fruits).  Some branches produce double flowers that are red with a small amount of white speckling and other branches produce flowers that are mostly white with light red speckling.  I obtained cuttings from Davis USDA GRIN but they say they aren't sure if the particular branch my cuttings were obtained from will result in the same mixture or all of one color.  I wonder about the same with Coll de Dama Blanca-Negra.  Has it been propagated with the same results?

Harvey, according to Montserrat, it has kept its characteristics through time in successive cutting propagations.
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Thanks, Axier!

Figs 4 fun, let's keep it fun!
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@ Harvey & Axier. Absolutely!

I find it interesting that this is something that I personally may have never even noticed in a fig tree. I think I would have just overlooked it as some figs on the tree simply not getting dark due to less sun on that part of the tree or some other "conditions related" anomaly. No doubt, Monserrat Pons gave this plenty of thought and study before deciding that something like this was not the case.
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Sorry about the confusion but again I wasn't referring to axier or mr pons.

Ps deleted post .

Back to figs:)
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This is awesome!
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Does anybody know where an English translation of Pons and Bauds books can be found?  I live right next to Mexico, and I know a few words... Donde es la bana?  Es importante, but that is NOT Spanish!  "Ayeee, Madre de Dios!"  Not Spanish!  Es Spanglish!  Translation OMG!  I may be able to wing it with Espana, but French?  Not likely. 

In high school you get to choose a language, and I chose Spanglish.  My friend chose latin.  Someone wrote on her desk, "Latin killed the Romans, and now it's killing me."  Ha!  Never will forget that!

No clue about translating what Bauds and Pons say about their figs in their writings.  I have a need to translate for some varieties I have been gifted, and would like to know... So I know Alta Vista will translate, but I can't copy and paste a PDF, so how do you find all those symbols on top of the letters?  Willing to take that trip! :-)

Suggestions welcomed!

Do you know how many members from countries that speak other languages come here and speak English fluently?  It's amazing!  I salute you!

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Suzi, I could help you. I don't speak French but I understand it enough for translating.
I will send you a private mail, if not, this will result an off topic matter.
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that is a gorgeous fig

can anyone share light on the types of the col de dama.  are all col de dama similar?
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All Coll de Dama taste very similar, and are very similar in the other characteristics.
Apart from the peculiarity of the Coll de Dama Blanca-Negra, botanically very interesting, it is the earliest ripening variant of Coll de Dama family.
If your climate is sunny, with mild autumns, and a late variety is not an issue for you.
Coll de Dama Blanca, Coll de Dama Gris, or Coll de Dama Negra are excellent varieties.
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does this include the col de dama varieties, such as  cdd bordissotenca, cdd de ciutat, cdd gigantina, cdd roja
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Axier,
Thank you for sharing the information about CDD varieties.  There is not too much information about these varieties.  
Any breba crop for Coll de Dama varieties?  How early is CDD Blanca-Negra is ripening?  Thank you.
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