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Collector's Mentality

In my home, I'm a "clean sweep" kind of girl.  I collect nothing.  If it smacks "tourist treasure," it's gone!  I am a regular supplier to Goodwill Industries for junk and clothing we don't use, and then the garage sale / Craigslist thing..........

BUT, I'm a horticulture person.  Didn't graduate with a degree in it.  Can't spell it, but it's in my blood.  I love to propagate anything!  I inherited the love from family. I have my limits.  Not into nourishing plants that don't give back AKA provide fruit or food.

Figs are interesting because they are easily propagated, and there are so many varieties!  Did I catch the fig fever?  Absolutely!  I seem to be drawn to the unknowns, somehow.  Maybe it's the excitement of the discovery... Can't wait to sacrifice one ripe fig for the seeds it can gift me.

One of my favorite pets is my yeast.  I feed it all the time, and it just grows.  Sourdough Starter.  My vineyard probably rocks my world more than anything!  Easily propagated, and so lush and green with swelling fruit which will become wine. 

So, figgie friends, do you collect other plants?

Suzi

Great story,

I have a few roses and jasmines and some other weird stuff.

Pops grows his veggies garden and I stay out of his way.

As far as giving away stuff, we have Purple Heart here and they call every season I think and we give them stuff most of the time.

Purple Heart supports wounded vets and I think military veterans in General.

my wife enjoys growing roses. i like figs and plumeria. we left large number of roses that she grew in our last house. starting to add some around the house again.

 

i'm trying to find out a good way to start collecting plumeria again. only have 3 left. some got killed during the winter. plumeria just smells so nice.

 

used to collect other items but stopped once our sons were born.

 

pete

No i just grow what appeals to me in veggie garden and in fig plants and some flowers for decoration.
Personally i do not consider myself a collector i dont care for that word but understand others may and that there personal preference as to what they call themselves.
I like to call myself a grower of  fig plants who enjoys to see what they have to offer and also enjoy veggie gardening and my greatest influence to veggies and figs was my grandmother from Sicily.

Off topic on bread and sourdough

A good book to read and for reference for me with recipe's formula's including yeast breads and sourdough cultured breads , proper measurements in weight, how to make many different types of bread including how to start sourdough culture and properly feed it and many colored pictures of the product.
Pre-frements
pate fermente
Poolish
Biga
explains a lot in this book and has helped me is a book called
The Bread  Baker's Apprentice
Mastering The Art Of Extraordinary Bread
 by
Peter Reinhart

I think roses can be air-layered.  There is that dammn patent thing.......  But for my own use at our second home, which we don't have, but are looking.....  JD promised me a rose garden, and he delivered!  My favorites are Queen Elizabeth, and Veteran's Honor.  The Honor wins, but the Queen is yummy!

On the other hand, it's exciting to find a mystery fig in some place nobody goes........

Suzi

Martin,

Thanks for the sourdough link!  I could, if you like, send you (or any member) some of my 2008 Denver Sourdough Culture.  It's easy to dry, and easy to rehydrate.  I started it in Denver, visiting my son's family, and brought it home stuffed in a baggie in my suitcase.  It made it through customs!  It's a dicey blend of whole wheat and white flour, and got a lot of influence from the wild yeast in Palm Desert AKA La Quinta.  Just me.  Like the unusual!

Suzi

I also enjoy baking and making my  own sourdough starter. I have learned so much from the following books on bread/sourdough.

Classic Sourdoughs A Home Bakers Handbook-by Ed Wood

 

Peter Reinhart's Artisan Breads Every Day: 50 Fast and Easy Recipes for World-Class Breads

 

My Bread: The Revolutionary No-Work, No-Knead Method-by: Lahey, Jim

 

Tartine Bread by: Robertson, Chad

 

Bread:A Baker's Book Of Techniques And Recipes by: Hamelman, Jeffrey

 

Crust: Bread to Get Your Teeth Into (With DVD) by: Bertinet, Richard

 

Best place to buy : http://www.ecookbooks.com/

 

 I have made a starter out of over ripe mission figs


OK jazzbass, dry it and send it to me!  Just paint some on parchament paper, let it dry, and I promise to rehydrate!  This could be the best thing ever!!  You will have a PM with my address following this post.  Oh My!!

Suzi

I'm not a collector, but do collect. :)

 

In the past I've had a good number of cymbidiums, but we moved to a place where they were to difficult to maintain so I gave most of them away. I was 'into' roses for a few years, and made cuttings of many. The old ones are no longer patented, nor are many of the earlier Austins. Many are also copyrighted, not patented. I still have some, but they take lots of water and the gophers just loved them.

 

I have great interest in low-chill blueberries and have about 50 plants in containers. Sadly the harvest here is getting towards the end.

 

And then there are the vegetables, sometimes year round... 

 

I also have collected lots and lots of colored glass and make mosaics. One of these days I'm planning on making a small fig one, but there never seems to be enough time.

 

And figs of course. :)

 

 

Well, I collect tropical fruits, as I've said before.  They are effectively ornamental, though, but perhaps I can get the jaboticaba to go.  I think pot culture enthusiasts would do well to try out sapodilla pot culture.  Know those things can do well in pots and fruit, and varieties like Makok are those small and sublime sweet pear and jasmine fruits.  My seedling of Brown Sugar has done nothing, but I don't really feed it.  The Green Sapote I have is very pretty and statuesque.  I have others, but they are mostly kept for sentimental reasons.  The only other fruiting plant I had, and I only really managed to get it to flower (and it was gorgeous), is the Selenocereus climbing cactus, similar to the Hylocereus.

Dance,

Does 100 varieties of bananas count?

I can throw in many citrus, sugarcane, che, peaches, pears, cherries, jujubes, mulberries, grapes, guavas, cherimoyas, berries, pecans, and much more. At one time it was good fruit or good flowers, but space limitations weight that more and more to good fruit. Haven't mowed a lawn in nearly 30 years.

Besides figs: Veggies, berries, roses, garlic, herbs, Citrus, <font size="5"><b>Plumerias</b></font> (Pete, always happy to feed an addiction: <a target="_blank" href="http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/plumeria/msg0813091815599.html?33">http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/plumeria/msg0813091815599.html?33</a>  and on ebay <a target="_blank" href="http://myworld.ebay.com/bloomingplumerias/?_trksid=p4340.l2559">bloomingplumerias</a> and <a target="_blank" href="http://myworld.ebay.com/1-stop-aloha&ssPageName=STRK:MEFSX:SELLERID&_trksid=p3984.m1543.l2533">1-stop-aloha </a>Just don't bid against me!  :), other fragrant flowers.<br><br>As for bread, I love the high end books but it's <a target="_blank" href="http://www.artisanbreadinfive.com/">Bread in 5</a> for when I want something to eat.  Artisan, obscure grains, pizza, gluten-free, flatbreads, pastries, brioche they've got it all and try as I might I can't mess it up.  I've even made great pizza in a cheap electric fondue pot in a hotel.  They're always experimenting and pushing the envelope.<br>

So nice to know we have lives beyond figs!  Fun to hear what you all have an interest in.  (you should never end a sentence with a preposition..Auntie Leny),  I do belong to forums specific to my interests, but it is amazing what figgies have on the side bar!

At the estate sale last weekend, my new daughter-in-law, who never cooks, brought some old cast iron pans. to the party  So I spot this square one, and gave her $20 for it.  It had some antique label etched in the back, shrug!  I seasoned he rusty thing, and made pork chops in it.  I will NEVER collect cast iron, but it's the main thing I use for cooking.  After the death of 3 parakeets, I learned that teflon fumes aren't so good, and cast iron gives the user an important mineral in their food.  IRON!  Seasoned well, Cast Iron is non-stick!

Rock on!

Suzi

I have been the most successful with growing fig trees.  My fig trees have actually lived since 2007.  However, I have a long, and sad,  botanical past.  I'm a serial-killer.

BONSAI...killed.  Take too long to train.  I have no patience.  20 year killing spree.
ORCHIDS...killed.  The Kennel-Club of the plant world.  Too expensive, too many 
 snobby growers in clubs.  Without a greenhouse, you're cooked.  15 year killing spree.
EXOTIC TROPICALS: ...some success...then killed.  Tropical plants don't do well  in NYC, wintered over on a windowsill.  Still killing off the remainder of my plants.
CLIVIAS:...growing less than a year.  Winter storage will tell the tale for 2013.

My latest potential victims:  Caudex-producing, "Fat-Plants".  Specialized succulents that store water in their stems/trunks.  Very slow-growing (I forgot my patience-deficit)...very expensive for specimen-sized plants.  I just spent a small fortune on new plants.  I got a fat-plant "jones" this past winter, and ran up a nice balance on the credit-card.  If I lived in southern California, I'd be bankrupt.  So far I have not rotted any of my plants from over-watering.  The Adeniums have managed to show me a few blossoms, and if they do not start putting out, they will get dumped.  Some of the most hideous, strange looking plants.

Frank

Frank, don't be so hard on yourself!  Serial Killer?  I think not!  Human.  YES!!  OMG. living 3 days here and 2 days there, and trying to keep up, impossible!  I had these seedlings, seeds I spent $$ on ebay, and they hatched, but now, I'm torn between two places, no time to sleep, eat, or think. 

I get here, and those seedlings, that I put outside for light (not knowing it would encounter a seriously windy day) came in, got a kiss and a tuck in with potting soil.  These are little fragile seedlings.  Not cuttings.

Actually they are looking pretty green.  I think they are tough as a grape vine!  And I'm talking tough!!

Suzi

Frank - You crack me up!


I collect no other plants than figs, just brought home my second new tree this year.  My wife thinks i have a problem with only 3 varieties.  Little does she know.  

But collect other things?  Yes to that, i have the shoe collection, the hockey card collection, the wine collection, the kitchen tool collection....

Hockey, wine?  Hmmmmmmmmmm 

Well, yesterday, I needed to use a bathroom fast, so, at our market (where they keep stuff hidden) did my thing, and checked out what was there.  Some 2004 Cab.  I snaked it 75% off!!

My JD is a huge hockey fan, and we have a small vineyard.  Hoping to plant in-ground figs with prickly pear around to stop intruders.

JD has no clue about the goats, but, it will be revealed to him in time.....They are so cute and happy.....

Suzi

I'm willing to share my 2 year old starter with any bakers in the ranks. Just let me know.

Trade.  Mine is bettah!
\Suzi

I'm interested in making breads. Good artisan breads. I consider myself rather a good cook, but never really tried backing before. I think I'll try my hands in bread baking.

Pete

Pete, you need a good starter, like an aged one/  I'll dry it, send it, and you will hydrate it, feed it, but you will get that "old" feeling!  Here you go.............  There is more to this drama, \but this is a good starter.
Suzi

Basic Sour Dough Bread / Rolls

Of course, there are a lot of recipes for sourdough bread. There are also recipes for sourdough rolls, sourdough pancakes, sourdough pretzels, sourdough bagels, and probably sourdough saltines for all I know. This is the basic recipe I use, though, and it's simple and makes a fine bread. You'll need the following:

  • 2 Cups of sponge (proofed starter)
  • 3 Cups of unbleached flour
  • 2 tablespoons of olive oil or softened margarine
  • 4 teaspoons of sugar
  • 2 teaspoons of salt

To the sponge, add the sugar, salt, and oil (the oil is optional - you can use softened butter instead, or no oil at all). Mix well, then knead in the flour a half-cup at a time. Knead in enough flour to make a good, flexible bread dough. You can do this with an electric mixer, a bread machine on "dough cycle," or a food processor. You can also do it with a big bowl and your bare hands.

Keep in mind that flour amounts are approximate; flour varies in absorbency, and your sponge can vary in wetness. Use your judgement; treat it like ordinary white or french bread dough. Trust your hands and eyes more than the recipe, always.

Let the dough rise in a warm place, in a bowl covered loosely with a towel (if you're using a bread machine's dough cycle, let it rise in the machine). Note that sourdough rises more slowly than yeast bread; my starter takes about an hour or so, but some starters take much longer. Let the dough double in bulk, just like yeast-bread dough. When a finger poked into the top of the dough creates a pit that doesn't "heal" (spring back), you've got a risen dough.

Punch the dough down and knead it a little more. Make a loaf and place it on a baking sheet (lightly greased or sprinkled with cornmeal). Slit the top if you like, and cover the loaf with a paper towel and place it in a warm place to rise again, until doubled in bulk.

Place the pan with the loaf in your oven, and then turn your oven to 350o Farenheit and bake the bread for 30-45 minutes. Do not preheat the oven. The loaf is done when the crust is brown and the bottom sounds hollow when thumped with a wooden spoon. Turn the loaf out onto a cooling rack or a towel and let it cool for an hour before slicing.

And that's that. If you double the recipe for two big two-pound loaves of bread, the total price tag will be less than a dollar.

Comments and Notes and Ramblings

For good rising, I use my oven. Turn the oven on for a minute or so, then turn it off again. This will warm the oven and make it a great environment to raise bread. If you can't comfortably press your hand against the inside of the oven door, the oven is too hot. Let it stand open to cool a bit.

I'm continually amazed at the elegance of sourdough baking . . . Bread is simple and yet it's one of the most satisfying foods there is, and the most fundamental

 

Tools: Oven, 2 flat baking sheets, 1 deep baking sheet or shallow pan for the water.
             Bowl, stout rubber spatula or wood spoon.
             A pizza paddle or wide spatulas to move the dough loaves around.

Yield: 4 normal size loaves, 6 small loaves or lots of buns.

Bread Recipe: Plan for between approx. 10 to 24 hours for the process (your choice -- read ahead and plan for what works best for you)

  • 2 cups (approx) liquid starter culture (always leave at least a cup of starter in reserve for future bread baking)
  • 8 cups (approx.) White unbleached bread flour, (approx. 3 lbs.)
  • 5 cups (approx.) Baby Bottle Warm water* (appx 90 degrees)
  • 4 heaping teaspoons Sea Salt
  • 4 heaping teaspoons sugar (honey, organic white or brown sugar)
  • 2 or more additional cups of flour
  • Approx. ½ cup olive oil

Note: All measurements are very approximate. Adjust flour and water ratios til it feels right (tough if you have no idea what that means, you'll just have to try it my way first then adjust your approach next time.) I allow 1 teaspoon of salt per medium loaf. The sugar is to counter the killing effects of the salt (on the yeast).

Step One: Approx 5 minutes to make. 8 to 24 hours to sit on your counter and ferment.

  1. Mix by hand the flour, starter and water in a very large ceramic or glass bowl until all ingredients are moistened. Do not beat, just gently mix.
  2. Let this sit for a minimum of 8 hours (in a warm kitchen) or as long as 24 hours. I prefer about a 12 hour period (I mix it in the morning and bake it in the evening). If it’s very warm, go with less time so that your culture doesn’t run out of life before it’s baked. This process is called the “sponge”. I cover mine loosely with a flexible plastic cutting board.

Note: after you've made a few loaves and have a feel for the process, see the FAQ's for info on adding other flours at this stage.

Step Two: About 10 – 15 minutes to knead. Approx 1 to 2 hours to rise.

  1. Mix Salt and sugar with 1 cup of flour. Stir this mixture into your fermented sponge.  Add additional flour if the dough is still wet. When you can no longer stir the bread, cover your hands until they are dripping in olive oil and dive them into the bread. Knead the loaf by turning the far edge over the loaf and towards your body. Smash it into the loaf, give it a ¼ turn and repeat kneading the loaf for between 4 to 15 minutes. (Depends on how fast it goes and your attention span).
  2. Add a little more flour if the loaf is too sticky, though err on the wet side as a wet dough yields a more open texture.  If you make the mistake of adding too much flour, as soon as possible shake off the excess flour (save it to add to your starter) and  add more olive oil to the mix until you can knead it again.
  3. Oil the bread bowl heavily. Put the dough in the bowl and pour more oil on top and spread it around so that it’s protected from drying out.
  4. Let it rise in a warm place til it’s about 50% bigger or almost doubled. (about 1 to 2 hours)

Step Three: Cooking. About 15 minutes to prepare your oven and loaves. 45 min. to bake.

  1. Pre-Heat your oven to 400 degrees for 15 minutes. Meanwhile put a large kettle of water to boil. Put a shallow metal pan in the bottom of your oven.
  2. Punch down your bread dough.
  3. With a knife, cut it into sections for loaves. This recipe makes 4 medium or 6 small loaves.
  4. Make about 2 to 6 kneading motions of each dough section and shape the dough into a round or long loaf. Shaping a loaf requires only childhood mud-patty skills, so don’t make this hard on yourself.
  5. Sprinkle a layer of flour on your kitchen counter and put the shaped loaves there.

Note: This step in the process is the ideal place to add flavorful ingredients to the bread such as – Chocolate chips, dried fruit, chopped nuts, cinnamon and sugar, sautéed onions and garlic, cheese, chopped jalepeno chiles, etc.
    Either knead the ingredients into the dough before you shape it OR flatten out the dough and spread the ingredients over it. Roll up the dough and tuck in the ends.

        6.  Shake a generous sprinkling of flour (about 1/2 cup) on your 2 baking sheets.
        7.  Finish the dough –
                A. The easiest: Pat flour all over the dough. OR
                B. Beat a whole egg and spread it over the tops of the loaves.
                          Optional -- Sprinkle with sesame or poppy seeds .
        8.  With a sharp knife, slash the tops of the loaves approx ¼ to 1/2” deep. On round loaves I make an “X”. On long loaves I put 3 to 5 slashes the width of the loaf.
        9.  Slide the loaves onto the pan and put them in the hot oven.
       10. Pour the boiling water into the hot shallow pan on the bottom of the oven and quickly shut the door to seal in the steam.

Bake for 45 minutes at 400 degrees.




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I have more succulent plants than anything else, many Haworthia, Gasterias, Euphorbias and quite a few of those Caudiciiform plants that Frank mentioned. I have been a member of the Philadelphia Cactus and Succulent Society for about 20 years now, but have been growing these kinds of plants for probably close to 40 years. I do well in competition in the Philly Flower show. Also have a smattering of tropical bonsai, gesneriads, orchids, hostas, tropical fruit and terrariums. Closing in on 60 fig varieties. No I don't think I'm a collector....  

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 Closing in on 60 fig varieties. No I don't think I'm a collector....  

Ya right.....:-)

I have 14 varities.  Most are in my 70 foot "hedge", which is not yet completed.   The hedge is of newly planted fig trees of 10 different varieties and is anchored by a 4 foot tall black mission on one end.  The trees get progressively smaller toward the other end...working down to four of this year's rooted cuttings and ultimately to two open spots where I will plant my kadota and an unknown, both of which remain in pots for now.  

My goal is to grow as much of our own food as I reasonably can.   Having this many varities will hopefully prolong the harvest season and give us enough variety so as not to get bored with the "same old same old," figs.   

We will also have a blackberry hedge of approximately the same length, some cherry trees, a peach, and an apple tree, along with a couple raised beds for squash, chard, and other vegetaibles.

And that's about it.

Oh...BLB !!! 
I forgot all about my Gloxinia and Streptocarpus binge.  It was so long ago that I forgot  about all the plants I once had.  I killed those too, just for the record.

Your just the person I need to talk to about some plants that I just bought.  I will PM you, rather than bore everybody reading this thread.  Maybe your C and S background  will give me some answers that I need before I kill a very, very, expensive "Boojum".

Frank

Sycosis first and foremost but after also leaving a corpse strewn trail I stick with fossils. When I moved to my new place I swapped some work for freight and moved 21 tons to my new house. 

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