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Originally Posted by Windowsill_Gardens
a few months ago someone broke into our house while we slept. ...They caught him, let him out on bail, and two hours later had to pick him up again as he was caught in the process of robbing another house... passed out on someone's kitchen floor during one of his robberies.
   Last week an arsonist set someone down the street's trash on fire in the middle of the night, and it spread to their car. He's been caught too, but it's scary in a neighborhood of families and retired folks. 


   Wow,  W-sill...   now that is scary stuff!!   After a break-in like that, the things that 'go-bump-in-the-night' start raising our hackles!  I hope that you have a means of protecting your family.  If not,   ...I know that our home already looks very much like your own, in that it's filled it with more than a reasonable amount of grow-lights and greenery.  I might suggest that you likewise follow our lead in "decorating" the night-stand next to your bed with a firearm that you're familiar with and comfortable having nearby.

  Your story about the arsonist sure struck home as well...

  We had been helping out a homeless man for many months by providing odd-jobs for him in the orchard when he asked.   As the weather started turning cold, we had him move into a four-bedroom rental next door to our home that was unoccupied.  Unfortunately, after nine months of providing him the home, he started using the little money that he earned here, to purchase bath salts.

  The drug use started making him more and more paranoid and spooky.  We finally had to take him to the local mission in town for housing, but still would allow him to do odd jobs when he was sober.  One day he showed up on our door step strung out and I had to chase him off of the property... but because I had an appointment out of town, I called my son (who was a police officer) and asked him to make the 30-minute drive to our home and keep an eye on him as he was walking in the street a block from our home.

  Before my son arrived, the man broke up wooden pallets and built a bon-fire under a 300 gallon propane tank at a 7-Eleven a block away.  Luckily the guy was arrested and the fire extinguished before the tank exploded.   (To make a long-story, short...  he too was never prosecuted; instead they offered him probation and drug counseling in lieu of prosecution).

Stay safe...

 Blue

I thought I should share some pictures of my Kei apple, hybrid/Tropical apricot is a natural occurring hybrid from Florida, developed in 1953 from a kitembilla, (Dovyalis hebecarpa) and Abyssinian gooseberry (Dovyalis abyssinica).

http://www.fruitipedia.com/tropical_apricot.htm

I chose a very thorny version for fencing and a nearly thorn less one for fruit production.  Here a a picture of what to expect if you plant them and leave them for a year in ground.  They require pruning to get a thick, dense hedge.  

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Roses will work nice as well.  

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Good luck 


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Originally Posted by Figgysid1


I chose a very thorny version for fencing and a nearly thorn less one for fruit production.  


   Sid,  I can't thank you enough, for the link that you provided!!

  I hadn't given any thought as to all the various traits that each seedling might display.   I thought that it was just a given that all Dovyalis would have extensive thorns.  (Like a rose bush...  we just expect it to have thorns)

  Now I'm going to have to segregate the young plants for both sex and thorniness...  oh, good grief!  LOL!!

  Blue

Blue, some prickly pear are extremely thorny and easy to propagate, though maybe not fast enough to get going for your needs.  I have one pretty good candidate but can probably only spare 5-6 pads.  Good luck.

Blue

    Here's my take. Your good with dogs. You have fence height restrictions. All you need is  a shorter dog. Train a Teckel or two or three and put some signs up. For the fence, three feet will  work for the dogs, but you can double it for the two-leggers and still be within restrictions.

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Originally Posted by HarveyC
Blue, some prickly pear are extremely thorny and easy to propagate, though maybe not fast enough to get going for your needs.  I have one pretty good candidate but can probably only spare 5-6 pads.  Good luck.


   Harvey, thank you so much for your generous offer!  But I agree with you that it probably wouldn't give us near the growth that these other suggested defensive plants will deliver.  Their 10-12' of acquired height in 24 months is hard to ignore. 

  ...And switching gears just a bit -   I hope that you'll let me know when you're ready to tackle that moving project of yours.   I have a 15,000 GVW enclosed car-hauler with a bed that's only 8" off of the ground.  It'll sure make the task of loading all of that accumulation a lot easier.

  Smiles,

      Blue 

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Originally Posted by musillid
Blue

    Here's my take. Your good with dogs. You have fence height restrictions. All you need is  a shorter dog. Train a Teckel or two or three and put some signs up.


 
     Dale, you had me cracking up so badly that I thought that I would either suck my breakfast into my lungs ...or spray it across my keyboard!

  I envisioned the sheer terror that would overcome the next gang of thieves that cut through my fence...    only to come face to face with this brace of Teckels:




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I don't think any plant here could come close to this one " Flying Dragon " I had a few of these in my yard and had to get rid of them all but one of course this plant is so brutal that when you get stuck with one of the thorns the area is in pain a half for a hour after these thorns are so tough that when I used to trim them if you stepped on a thorn with work boots it would go right through the sole I read somewhere that they use them in Japan around there homes for security but like Frank said they are dangerous I had small kids and I was afraid they would get there eye poked out They use the the root stock from this plant for Meyer lemons , Limes and other citrus , Super cold hardy as mine is in Connecticut grows like a weed and bears lots of fruit 

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Originally Posted by Dave
I don't think any plant here could come close to this one " Flying Dragon "



  Holy moly, Dave!!!  

         There would be no crawling through that stuff!!


   Cindy,  from one newbie to another, welcome!

   The Kei Apple are native to the southern tip of Africa.   They really surprised me at how long they took to germinate...  I thought at first that the seeds weren't viable.

   I have quite a few plants growing now...   if you'll PM your shipping address,  I'll get some sent your way.

           Smiles,

                   Blue

Welcome, Cindy!! Great forum! You'll be informed and enthused here! Not to mention some great laughs!


   You're quite welcome, Cindy.

   Yes,  they are really a bright green aren't they?!   Even though they are soft and supple now, just keep reminding yourself not to plant them anywhere that you wouldn't want concertina wire:  LOL!!

   
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Blue if your going to use that fence don't forget a Guard Tower it makes it just that much nicer 

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  What was I thinking Dave?!!!    

   That's the look that I should have gone for...  LOL!!    

   It would have given these crop thieves a preview of coming attractions!    Blue 

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Welcome to the forum.
I guess you would need both male and female to get a crop. It says that you need about three to five years to get fruit. Is the fruit worth waiting for (Taste Wise).
I like thorny plants especially if they make nice fruit. In my yard, I have 10 varieties of jujube trees which are very thorny, but since I like the fruit,
I don't mind the thorns.

Yes, Sas...   both are indeed needed, but not hard to attain with the routine mix of seedlings.   I've read that the fruit are usually eaten with a sprinkling of sugar as they are a little on the sour side...  no personal experience here;  Sid  (FiggySid1) grows them both for fruit and as security, so they must offer something worth eating.

We are working hard to keep the Med fly from getting a foothold in Northern Calif...  so I'm going with a single-sex planting.  These Kei Apples are so productive that after the Israelis had planted them for security around their farms, they became a huge hatchery for the M/F, and had to all be torn back out. 

I don't know about the non hybrid one, but the one I have is somewhat sour with a apricot aftertaste. I only use the fruit for making juice (think lemonade).

The recipe I use is

1 gallon of water
2 cups sugar
100 tropical apricots (they are small) (quarter size)
Chilled in the refrigerator or poured over ice.

It's one of the best tasting juices 2nd only to Naranjilla, which Is also a fast growing thorny plant.

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  • Sas

It should be interesting to know if anyone ever succeeded in making it fruit in a container? According to Purdue University "enduring brief drops in temperature to 20º F (-6.67º C) but descents to 16º F (-8.80º C) have been lethal in this state and in California" I am to presume that temperature in your area never went down to 16º F.


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Originally Posted by RunsSlow

  Wow,  these Kei Apple have grown eight inches this week!!!    I have to get busy on the rope and pulley that I will use to lift the 4x4 light fixture to keep the plants from burning on the grow lights.   Cindy


  You should post a picture when you get the pulley system set up Cindy...

I went the low-tech route, and ran the supporting rope through an eye-hook and then back down, adjusting the height with a tautline hitch.  (The eye-hook takes the place of the stake in the diagram.     Blue


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