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cuttings from Portugal arrived

I like the name Figo Preto Francisco, Rich.

Francisco says this fig comes down below (lower elevation) just a short ways from where my grandparents were raised.  I don't remember seeing figs around the small town where my grandparents immigrated from almost 100 years ago but Francisco says it's cooler up there (was very pleasant in late October 2004) and I was more focused on things that were different from where I live.
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So was this a stolen image?
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I don't have Black Madeira, but these leaves look similar, right? Of course if the picture isn't his it doesn't matter. These were the pictures from the eBay post of Gluglo's.
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Here is an email I received on this subject from a European fig collector MADEIRA BLAK variety, not the same variety as the BORDISSOT NEGRA, probably a very similar variety,may even have similar genetically dendrogram, originally from Portugal, but agronomic descriptors do not match, the fig tree has only unilobuladas and trilobed leaves, is later, has drop of honey the ostiole, known the first century before Christ, mentioned by Pliny and Colummela in Roman times, known as African Ficco, also African Barnisoto, Barnissote noire, Bernissou, Bertino, Bouriansoto, Brogiotto fiorentino, Brogiotto nero, Brosciotto, Bourjansoto, black Burjassot, Della brand, Paris, Violette de Solliès, Burdassòtta, Bajasote, Boujasote, Bragasote So for simple minded people bm is an unknown possible sport of a known variant.



So is this person suggesting Violette de Sollies is the same as Black Medeira? Anyone else heard that before?
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No Bordissot Negra is like the others.  He is saying that BM is similar to BN and may have the same genetic traits description but does not match entirely.
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Okay thanks Dominick... sorry to add to the confusion lol.

got all excited because I'm currently rooting vds
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Tylerj congrats violet solis is a fantastic fig and as mr pons stated it was first recorder by Pliny the elder over 2000 years ago.

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thanks... saw my first root on it this morning hitting the cup wall so that made my day since its a single cutting.
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Be careful with it it's very special. I hope it's of European stock or out grows the fmv of it did come from cali
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I'm not sure of its origins... bought it from Dany in Quebec.

sorry everyone.. didn't mean to hijack this thread about another variety.
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I don't have Black Madeira, but these leaves look similar, right? Of course if the picture isn't his it doesn't matter. These were the pictures from the eBay post of Gluglo's.






HI
THAT PHOTO IS MY AND IS ORIGINAL : http://blackfig.blogspot.pt/ IF SAM PEOPLE WANT MORE PIC LIKE THIS ONE I WILL SEND...THANK YOU, PASSAR BEM
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I like the name Figo Preto Francisco, Rich.


I like that name too... seems to fit the situation overall.  Not that I think you need my vote about what the name should be, but let's face it -- the consistency of naming is (at best) only as good as we as a community are about acting consistently in accepting names.  There is no widely accepted "naming authority", so the name will be only as well-respected as the breadth of the community that accepts it.  (Sounds kind of tautological).  Two of you have got it and agree, maybe others who got it from the same source will agree to start calling it that too.  So thumbs up on the name, and on the way you've got at least some part of fig fanatics accepting it.
 
   a) I like the way this thread discussed a practical solution to try to avoid perpetuating a mis-naming issue in this instance, and
   b) I figured it wouldn't hurt to show my support for the name too.

Mike

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Celt, Where can you get DNA testing done for $100?

Rich & Newandawg, With respect to the Figo Preto Francisco name, I strongly agree that it makes good sense to give it a name other than Black Madeira. The comment I have is, when I see 2 figs with the same initial name followed by a grower's/collector's name or initials, I assume they are very likely to be the same fig that just has various, different paths getting into people's collections. All the different Sal's  or Missions are examples. I have no strong feelings about the name and clearly since you guys have it, the name choice should be yours. But, how about Madeira Black Francisco as another possibility?

HarveyC, I am curious as to where the knowledge came from about where Todd Kennedy acquired Black Madeira.

Thanks!
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Uc davis may do it and /or look up genetic plant DNA test on google.
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DWD2, there's an older thread about the original Black Madeira tree here somewhere by Sue, I think.  I think I made an assumption (but a fair one?) that Todd got the cuttings either directly or indirectly from that mother tree since the name was not used for anything else until very recently.
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Excuse me if I said this here or somewhere else.  

Black Madeira is an internationally recognized name for whatever unnamed fig it is from Madeira Island that was given to UC Davis. Some of the foremost International authorities on figs have this variety and its 'Black Madeira' name has followed it along its way to them. They know it only by this name. This name has so permeated the lexicon of fig information that no one has yet to change the name association, even those of the greatest European authority.
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Harvey, is that the Figo Prata ??? posting?
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