Here's some cuttings that I started about 2 weeks ago I haven't watered them since I started them because the spagnum stayed pretty moist they have been in a closed plastic bin opening them once a day to let air in I noticed about 3 days ago some of the leaves have been curling and dropping off I thought there was too much moisture in the box so I opened the box today and left it opened  I an starting to see roots hitting the side of the cup

So my question is do you think I have an over moist condition? should I leave the box opened? or do they need more moisture? 

Last year and the year before I used the perlite & vermiculite mix and didn't have this problem

Dave, I would think that the only change you have made is removing the lid, which in turn reduces the humidity which is a cause of what you have described. Is the only cuttings that are
showing this Latarolla? That is the only close up pics I can see. If that is the case, then there could be another issue with those particular cuttings.

I hope your rooting cups dont stand in water and they have proper drainage
if they are standing in water i think you are going to loose the cuttings if not fixed asap.

just found out i lost cuttings and the soil was smelling like garbage...

Dave,

Please see my setup. I don't close the box' lid at all. During the day I allow the cuttings to have some sunshine (#2), during the night the box is on a heating pad (#1). The gap is about 1/2 inch.
The humidity meter has 2 sensors, one on the wire inside the box and another is on the display itself. The humidity outside the box hovers in 32-40% relative hum., inside the box it is 75-95%. I add the water inside as it evaporates (usually every 2 days).
The temp. is in the range of 70-75 F. The cuttings are quite happy, the cups are full of roots! 
I don't water the cuttings.

So, in your situation, maybe you have too much moisture?

Mike, the leaves started to curl before I opened the box I had just opened the box to dry it out a bit in there thinking it was too humid? 

It's mainly the Latrolla and 1 or 2 other ones where the leaves are curling a bit 

no they are not sitting in standing water I haven't watered them since I started them 2 weeks ago and they are still moist if I do water them I take them out of the container water them make sure they completely drain and then put them back into the tote 

Assuming they have not been re-potted, re-cupped, or otherwise had their roots disturbed:

That looks like an under-moist condition. Droopy leaves can be a humidity or disturbed root condition, where moisture uptake - outgo balance has been compromised. This looks more typical of under-moist or especially over-temp shock.

Assuming they didn't get excessively hot, I would add moisture. Doesn't mean that I would add a lot of moisture, just a little.

John, I was having trouble deciding if they were under or over moist my first thought was that they were over moist but now I'm thinking that because I have not watered them in 2 weeks plus maybe they do need a bit more moisture sometimes it is hard to tell. 

I did not this problem with the perlite and vermiculite mixture should have left well enough alone 

if it was my cuttings, i would do one thing. put domes back on until the new growth comes out, air each day just to circulate air. if new growth doesn't show, i would wait to see if the branch is drying out. if the branches are drying out it's goner. if they come back, then it will live. 

Dave...I have that same problem..."too much water"?..."not enough water"?..."too much humidity"?...not enough humidity"?.............I think my head is going to explode !!!

Vince we have to master our Shen Wei  

I've seen this with a couple of mine too.  Very random.  I could've also bumped the stick at some point, disturbing the roots.

well I gave them all a drink and put the top back on and we will see what happens tomorrow morning either they will pick themselves back up or droop even more 

Thank you everyone for your suggestions we will see what happens tomorrow, Dave

Hmm..

a. curling and dropping off leaves = not enough water but healthy roots --> just add water
b. curling and dropping off leaves = too much water, roots rot --> not enough roots, not enough water --> what to do here?

where the humidity comes into play here? If it's humid (~80 to 90%), the soil needs to be VERY dry for the leaves to be unhappy.
But, since it is the relative humidity, it depends on the temperature and pressure, so the higher temp = lower rel. humidity under the same pressure.
We have to be careful interpreting the information.

If it's wet and humid, we can lower the humidity by opening the box' lid and adding a heating mat. But how to fix the soil?
The water does not escape the soil particles fast enough for the cuttings to sit and wait.

The thing about sphagnum moss is that depending on how densely packed it is it will have different waterholding and aeration properties. Stuffed tightly it stays wet for a long, long time. Loosely and it dries fast and unevenly, gently packed seems to be the way to go. That is just my experience using sm with orchids, hope you can apply it to your situation and get to the bottom of this.

Hi Dave my guess would be the probably did need a little drink of water. When I first started, I made the mistake of leaving some cuttings in a container for about 2 weeks and never exchanged for fresh air, they didn't get moldy or wilt.

Have you tried watering near the edge of the cup, so the cutting itself doesn't get so much moisture exposure. I lost several cuttings to over-watering and not enough humidity. Other members have suggested getting a moisture meter so you know for sure when to water.

I had the identical problem for me was the lack of humidity. Humidifier will tell.

when gnats attacked mine, that is how they looked.  Hope you don't have my problem. 

how come overwatering is a problem if the drainage is good? i think chlorinated water actually cleanses the soil from bacteria.
how many nutrients does the new rooted tree actually take from the soil?
whatever happens the latarolla feels like a good fig.
what do you think? i never tasted it..

My guess:
Twig is rotting below the soil b/c of over-watering and/or fungus gnats.

Once again I want to thank everybody for their replies very good people on this site

I went ahead and watered all of the cuttings last night even though the s moss was damp I  checked them this afternoon and low and behold all the leaves that were drooping perked back up, I did notice a few of those dam gnats flying around so I will have to do something about them but as of now they look pretty good

"Just Because The Moss Is Damp It Doesn't Mean It's Right" 

Good to hear Dave!!

I'm glad you won at roulette this time!

btw can these gnats bite like moquitos?

No, they don't bite.

If your seeing knats read up on how to get rid of them .
Once you see them there life cycle has already begun and there laying eggs to sustain it.
They can kill your plants via the roots.
Dont ask how i know.