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Dauphine/ Grantham's Royal: are they the same?

  • Ramv
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Dauphine appears synonymous with grasse de tarascon and Rouge d'Argenteuil and per Baud's website is a bifere fig
http://www.fig-baud.com/cataloguefiguiers/catdauphine.html

Photos posted by Ben and others on this site of Grantham's Royal look very similar to Dauphine if not identical. Supposedly Dauphine has a large first crop and could be grown exclusively for brebas.

However GR is supposedly a San Pedro with no chance of second crop without the wasp. This is confusing to me.

Either GR is not really a San Pedro fig or GR and Dauphine are different figs. Which one is it?

Thanks!

A friend here says my Granthams Royal & Dauphine are the same as what he found
in France.That said, I have a Dauphine( could be mislabelled) growing side by side and
they are not the same. My Dauphine(recently killed by a contractor backhoe) looks similar
in colour to pictures by forum member "bin bin" recently.

Paully22, thanks for your reply!
Is your Grantham Royal a bifere fig or San Pedro?

Excellent San Pedro grown in the ground

I grew them side by side years back and concluded that they were the same figs.

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  • pino
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After reading Hilgardia it sure makes Dauphine look like another fig mystery.  

I have counted at least 10 synonyms.  In 1883 Dauphine was brought to California and Arizona from England and also later from France to Nevada City.  All these varieties were proved to be the same according to Condit in fruit and tree.  This Dauphine trialed in U.S. seems to be San Pedro type since it is reported to drop main crop figs if not caprified.

Today, Baud sells a fig called Dauphine that is bifarous so this is a mystery how this maps to the original Dauphine fig.

Grantham's Royal grown by the Granthams from a cutting from a tree found growing in Santa Cruz. Since it produces many brebas superior in taste to DK it is know as the Desert King killer.  GR also looks similar to Dauphine.  So could this tree have been the original Dauphine or was it an unknown that looked like Dauphine? 

IMO Grantham's Royal and Dauphine are not the same fig.  Actually it looks like there are 3 distinct but similar looking figs.  On a nice note all 3 sound like they are worth growing for breba production.

French fig farm apparently got their original from Baud. Lots of photos posted here:
https://frenchfigfarm.com/fig-trees/dauphine
He apparently gets a main crop too.
Paully22 and others, doesn't this look awfully close to Granthams royal?

I received my Grantham's Royal from a private collector.
It is possible that what he was growing was Dauphine and not the distinct variety that most of you are talking about.
This is why my observations were that side by side, they were the same fig.
I got rid of both of them because I did not like the amount of dropped figs they produced.

Hi,
I have a tree bought as "Grise de Tarascon" . That one is a San Pedro sofar . I'll see this year how she behaves. But last year the main crop figs stayed small like a big cherry and than started to fall to the ground. The brebas were pear-shaped with a flattish bottom. This year, no brebas due to the late frost.

I have sight access to a Dauphine in the botanical garden in town ( try and tell me they have a mislabeled one ... ).
That tree bears 2 crops with as many brebas as main crop figs. The figs are round from the top view but flattish on the side view.
Those brebas are late ripening, and have still not ripen this year.
The tree is huge (eyeballing: 10 m of height / 30' )- not for small gardens.

Thanks everyone! I appreciate your responses.
It appears that Dauphine(Baud) and GR (Encanto/Paully22) are definitely different varieties. Dauphine produces two crops with a huge first crop and a possibly smaller second crop according to Rich from French Fig Farm. This is also confirmed by jdsfrance. Grantham's Royal is a definite San Pedro. It might be Grise De Tarascon.

Regards,
--Ram

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  • pino
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Hi Ram
Great job of working on this fig mystery.
Does this also mean Dauphine UCD is the same as Grantham's Royal?

  • Ramv
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Pino,
I dont know about this. Is Dauphine UCD a San Pedro? Others might be able to weigh in.

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Pino,
I dont know about this. Is Dauphine UCD a San Pedro? Others might be able to weigh in.

Ram, 
The UCD Dauphine is reported to drop its main crop figs without caprification.  Not sure if this definitively means its a San Pedro type?

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Originally Posted by Ramv
French fig farm apparently got their original from Baud. Lots of photos posted here: https://frenchfigfarm.com/fig-trees/dauphine He apparently gets a main crop too. Paully22 and others, doesn't this look awfully close to Granthams royal?


The only ripe figs I see in these photos are brebas.  
Does anyone have this fig tree and obtained any main crop figs? 

Rich (French Fig Farm) told me over email that his main crop figs are ripening this year and have also ripened in the past.

I have a new tree that I got dormant from a french nursery last winter.
It's now over 4ft. tall and has a number of main crop figs on it and adding new
ones as it grows. When they ripen, I'll try to post some pics.

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I have a new tree that I got dormant from a french nursery last winter.
It's now over 4ft. tall and has a number of main crop figs on it and adding new
ones as it grows. When they ripen, I'll try to post some pics.


Thanks Ray, Look forward to your pictures.

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