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Dauphine/Grantham's Royal/Violette Dauphine

From what I understand.. there are 3 different figs.

1. Dauphine (san pedro) - Synonymous with Grantham's Royal.
2. Violette Dauphine - A dark fig with a deep red interior. Looks like a real winner.
3. Dauphine (biferous) - Has two crops. Baud has a version & I think there's another version floating around.

If someone has pictures of a biferous Dauphine, I'd love to see them.

Also is anyone growing Dauphine from Raintree Nursery? http://www.raintreenursery.com/Dauphine-Fig-Gallon-Pot.html 

I await others comments eagerly,I just bought a very young plant labelled as Violette de Dauphine,I won't be much use on the topic until it matures,at the moment this is all I can show to help

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http://www.figuiers.com/plants-de-figuiers.html


I'm supposed to be getting one via this nursery. Hope you can read french.

Dauphine - Synonymes : Boule d’or, Rouge d’Argenteuil, Grise de Tarascon

Bifère

Caractéristiques :
• arbre : grande dimension, à port retombant avec une tendance au drageonnement.
• fruit : très gros – 100 à 120 grammes – pour les figues fleurs, 60 grammes pour les figues d’automne. Texture fine et juteuse pour la figue fleur, peu de graines. Couleur jaunâtre à vert violet pour les figues fleurs, de brun à violet foncé pour les figues d’automne
• maturité : fin juin pour les figues fleurs, fin août pour les figues d’automne
Points forts :
• précocité des figues fleurs, avec une très forte productivité de celles-ci.
• bonne résistance au froid. La Dauphine est cultivée avec succès au jardin botanique de Strasbourg
• bonne résistance au transport
• à consommer frais ou en confiture

Like I said, I hope you can read french.

From my readings on figuier et figue (and I can read French) Dauphine and Grise de Tarascon are not the same fig. Grise de Tarascon is synonymous with Rouge d'argenteuil and Violette d'argenteuil. This synonymy is bizarre for me because Tarascon is in Provence, the warm south of France, and Argenteuil is near Paris and cold and windy in comparison. In France they say that Grise de Tarascon should be covered with straw at base and wrapped with roe cover material to get a good first crop. Apparently the Brebas are cold sensitive and it yields a heavy Breba in June. To my knowledge Hative d'argenteuil is a unique fig from the others of Argenteuil. Blanche d'argenteuil would be as well and dates back certainly as far as mid 1600's. My guess is that Grise de Tarascon was transported to Argenteuil to try and grow there hence the synonym and the advice to protect Breba fruits.

Also, in France the original Dauphine is bifere, so the San Pedro Grantham's royal is a unique fig.

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http://www.figuiers.com/plants-de-figuiers.html


I'm supposed to be getting one via this nursery. Hope you can read french.



Lol here's the translation. You should get google chrome! Automatically translates for you!

Dauphine - Synonyms  : Golden Ball, Red Argenteuil Grey Tarascon

BIFERE

Features  :
• Tree: large, to falling port with a tendency to suckering. 
• Fruit: very large - 100 to 120 grams - for flowers figs and 60 grams for the autumn figs. Fine and juicy texture to the fig flower, few seeds. Yellowish to green to purple flowers figs, dark violet brown for autumn figs 
• maturity: the end of June for flowers figs, late August for autumn figs
 

Highlights  : 
• flowers early figs, with a very high productivity of these. 
• good resistance to cold. The Dauphine is successfully grown in the botanical garden of Strasbourg 
• good resistance to transport 
• consume fresh or jam

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Also, in France the original Dauphine is bifere, so the San Pedro Grantham's royal is a unique fig.


Thanks for the info! Do you have any pics of the bifere?

Ha,yeah I was going to translate it but got side tracked with the kids,thanks for that,i was going to do it manually,completely forgot you can use online translators these days,I can't speak French but can read it,sounds like this should perform well in zones 8-6,I especially like the advice it is prone to suckering,always useful for more plants!

I really don't believe from.what I've read that Dauphine is the same as Grise de Tarascon/ Rouge d'argenteuil. I'll hunt Dauphine bifere pics tonight after work and try to dig up pics of my Grise de Tarascon from the seller as well, mine is healthy but only two years old.

http://www.galgoni.com/ENG/Fotos_Maxi/015.htm

Here are some pics of my VDs:
Violette Dauphine 1.jpg 

Violette Dauphine 2.jpg 

Violette Dauphine 1-16.jpg 

  

Violette Dauphine 3-16.jpg 


There has been several posts on this topic.  Here is one and post #7 is a photo of my Dauphine.

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/grise-de-tarascon-breba-2016-8175714?highlight=dauphine


Pino and Leon_Edmond your Dauphines look pretty similar. Here is the pic of my Grise de Tarascon. It looks a lot like the one shown in the other post. After reading on French websites I would assume that the tree in the other post dropped it's fruit due to youth or cold as it is definitely not a San Pedro in France lol.

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You guys take very tasty pictures,can't wait to get my little Dauphine growing and fruiting,they look magnifique

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There has been several posts on this topic.  Here is one and post #7 is a photo of my Dauphine.

http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/grise-de-tarascon-breba-2016-8175714?highlight=dauphine




Pino. Thanks for that.

Is that the main crop? Is the breba colored any differently? 

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Originally Posted by leon_edmond
http://www.galgoni.com/ENG/Fotos_Maxi/015.htm

Here are some pics of my VDs:
Violette Dauphine 1.jpg 

Violette Dauphine 2.jpg 

Violette Dauphine 1-16.jpg 

  

Violette Dauphine 3-16.jpg 



Leon,

Looks like it has a rich taste. What rating would you give this one? Does it taste similar to anything? 

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Pino. Thanks for that.

Is that the main crop? Is the breba colored any differently? 
Hi Ross ,It is a breba.
Dauphine is a san pedro fig and I don't have the wasp.

Here are 2 other photos; Dauphine pino breba IMG_1663.jpg

 

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I liked the story about how the French prince (Dauphine) who became King Louis 14th. His favorite fruit was figs. His favorite fig was named Dauphine, after him -of course. The gardener with a lot of work and creativity was able to keep him in figs six months out of the year.  It would be interesting to know exactly how he did this and what varieties he used. There's a movie on Netflix about the cook at Versailles and his efforts to keep Louis happy. I forget the exact name. It may be the TV series "Versailles"
http://candy210098199.tripod.com/id5.html

You’re right. There seem to be a number of figs called Dauphine.

“1. Dauphine (san pedro) -“Dauphine (San Pedro variety) is an oval with a bit wider tip (where Ostiole is) Bronze fig with light (white to honey) interior” That seems to be the variety that Tyler posted pictures of:
http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/grise-de-tarascon-breba-2016-8175714?highlight=dauphine


“2. Violette Dauphine - A dark fig with a deep red interior. Looks like a real winner.”
That seems to be the pictures Leon posted. The purple Violette Dauphine is said to have the best flavor here in the hot SoCal environment and produces two crops of figs. VD is on my wish list.

Condit didn’t like Dauphine but his focus was on commerce and not on taste:
“IRA CONDIT: No other commercial plantings have been made in California, as Dauphine can hardly compete successfully with other black figs such as Franciscana (Mission) for fresh-fruit shipping, and its quality dried is very inferior.”
Since he’s calling it a black fig, he’s probably talking about Violette Dauphine.

 
“Also is anyone growing Dauphine from Raintree Nursery? http://www.raintreenursery.com/Dauphine-Fig-Gallon-Pot.html 
I’ve wondered about the Dauphine that Raintree sells. They describe it: “This fig is from France. It has brown and green skin and brownish flesh. It produces two crops and the breba summer crop ripened well and tasted good at the Mt. Vernon research station in Western Washington.” 

It sounds like it is the San Pedro Dauphine rather than the Violette Dauphine.  

Pino. Thanks for the pics, but I'm having a really hard time finding out info on a biferous Dauphine. Maybe it doesn't exist?

The very little I know is that there is Dauphine from France and UCD (a San Pedro type fig produces 2 crops, main crop requires wasp),
Violette Dauphine (common type fig biferous produces 2 crops wasp not required for main crop).

Since San Pedro type figs produce 2 crops would they also be considered biferous (bifere, bifara..) or is the biferous term only applied to common type figs? 



 

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Originally Posted by pino
The very little I know is that there is Dauphine from France and UCD (a San Pedro type fig produces 2 crops, main crop requires wasp),
Violette Dauphine (common type fig biferous produces 2 crops wasp not required for main crop).

Since San Pedro type figs produce 2 crops would they also be considered biferous (bifere, bifara..) or is the biferous term only applied to common type figs? 



 


Ha, good question!

But I am looking for a Dauphine that doesn't need the wasp!

Hi,
The true Dauphine is not a san pedro. It is a bifere variety. The one at the STBG botanical garden makes both crops and we don't have the wasp.
You are not expecting a botanical garden to have a misnamed tree ... Aren't you ?

Grise de Tarascon ... well don't quote me on that one for now : I have one; she had 1 maincrop ; and she's shriveling ... Could well mean that it is a San Pedro.
But the tree being young ... I'll wait two more years to draw a final conclusion ( and hoping that mine is true to type - but since she came from a nursery and nurseries don't mislabel their trees ... LOL ). She made a breba this year, and that breba was not a match for the true Dauphine ... But the tree being young ...

Violette Dauphine is an early breba popper, and the whole breba crop got burned by the frost this year. I'm currently waiting on some maincrop figs to ripen ...
But who knows what will pop out of the hat ... a rabbit, a dove ... As for now, all I can see, is that this fig seems to be on the small size.

Oui, je le parle. Merci!

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