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Do I have a Caprifig?

I have cuttings of a huge fig that looks like the images that i embedded in here.
the figs are , i kid you not, about 5 inches long and 3 inches wide, greenish purple skin and when they are ripped they are very blent in taste and watery, very easily peel-able too as if there is water under the skin and the color inside is very light pinkish light brown. When you squeeze the fruit when it's not cut yet,dusty air comes out. Something tells you it's a sickling, at first instinct, lol

*1.so, do I have a Caprifig? 

*2.If so, is there any benefits having it grow in my garden.

*3.If not a Caprifig, can it be fixed to become a better tasting fruit, because size is unbelievably atractive and beautiful altogether.
 any ideas?

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If watery, no, not a caprifig. Caprifigs are dry.

inside is dry and dusty but it has a flesh (edible if you will) which is watery all the way to the peel level, you could literally squeeze the fruit out of it's peel if you want to, watery feeling. LOL

This is was my 2 year old marabout looks like in MD with no wasps

KK, do they ripen? do you have end stage pic of the fruit? do they sweeten ?

They dont ripen as we dont have the fig wasps here in MD. They just get bigger and bigger get a little purple coloring and when cut their is less latex. They look exactly the same inside as the picture above. 

interesting, sounds like an ideal fig for Preserve... firm, non ripen yet less or no latex.

Do you water the tree enough ? If the tree is in a sunny hot climate and lacks of water, a tree could make such figs.
It could as well be a caprifig and the only way to fix it is to graft it ... Do you have photos of the tree and the fruit young, and close to an edible color fruit - entire and split in two ?
The photo of kk, shows you how a fig from a caprifig would be inside even when "ripe" - look at the corky inside style.
There are trees that need the caprifig for the main crop but not for the breba crop.
How old is the tree ? Did it start/ripe some brebas ?

Fellows,

A so called caprifig, deserving that name, shall be like the fruit shown on the attached picture.
This particular variety (Shelb), usually  gives heavy yields and, in an average year may liberate  400 to 700 wasps full of pollen per each fig. This particular fruit belongs to the 3rd caprifig crop -Mamme-.

The picture was taken in December 2012 and you may see that it is completely full of developing wasp larvae, to become adult wasps by the 3rd week of March 2014

Francisco

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Originally Posted by jdsfrance
Do you water the tree enough ? If the tree is in a sunny hot climate and lacks of water, a tree could make such figs.
It could as well be a caprifig and the only way to fix it is to graft it ... Do you have photos of the tree and the fruit young, and close to an edible color fruit - entire and split in two ?
The photo of kk, shows you how a fig from a caprifig would be inside even when "ripe" - look at the corky inside style.
There are trees that need the caprifig for the main crop but not for the breba crop.
How old is the tree ? Did it start/ripe some brebas ?
jdsfrance: I will do an extensive recording of the tree, fruit and everything for everyone to see and judge it... maybe this late spring or summer. You might be right about grafting it,,, I wonder if the size will be transferred to the new variety after grafting yet keep the taste of the graft. the tree gets enough water and it is in semi shaded to sunny area.

ok, so...UPDATE on this particular Variety. Here's the picture of the mother tree from few days ago. Full of Brebas...
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Aaron,

Nice tree.

I failed to receive the pictures you say attached to post NR 1,   and I am somehow confused.
Are these figs edible ? Did you get any information from the owner on what date they are ripe ?

On your today's update you have certainly noticed that some figs are more oblong than others which are more roundish.  And they appear to be side by side on the same branch  If you can, keep watching how they develop.
Also, for a typical breba, they seem to be too voluminous at this time of the year...

Do you the origin of this fig ? ..name or is it a seedling ?

Francisco

You've got a beautiful tree Aaron. Looks to me like a San Pedro type. I've got a tree that looks exactly like yours (leaves, fruit, everything), that is also loaded with fruit right now.

Have you tasted the ripe brebas from this tree yet?

Francisco, the pics in the #1 post were from internet to give an idea what they looked like on this tree. But now I can closely follow and post detailed pics of every stage as they grow bigger and ripen. The owner said the tree grew by itself (which makes it seedling) in his backyard but for several years it was not doing so well until he transplanted to the front, the fruits are humangous, i would say 4-5 inches long and about 3+ inches thick, elongated shape, but never sweet, and they are watery (until last year anyway) I tasted them , was disappointing, and something else that grabbed my attention was that when you squeezed the fruit dust came out of it. Owner said they have been like that for 8 years now and although no one in the family likes them he eats them. It was end of July and beginning of Aug when I tasted the last left over figs of this tree.

@donpaid, thanks for the compliment but this is the tree that I got the cuttings from last year and I am growing them. How do your brebas taste?

@Aaron

Oh that's the mother tree, ok gotcha. Hmm it's interesting that dust comes out and they are still edible. If this tree is the same tree I have, from my experience, the brebas are great. Not the figgiest tasting, but sweet and it bears very consistently and grows vigorously. As they ripen, they turn from green to yellow-green. Produces quite large fruit and bears heavily, but I've never experienced the dust phenomenon. The tree I have is a San Pedro variety...FYI, my tree came from some relatives in L.A...so maybe your cuttings are from a tree that grew from a seed that came from my trees' mother tree.......just a little conspiracy theory ;) I'm curious as to see what the fruit's interior looks like. 

@donpaid, do your relatives live in Beverly Hills or adjacent areas? (you never know...)
yes they do become slightly yellower but also have some faint touch go purple on sun side.

@Aaron, I haven't noticed any purple on them. I'll make sure to check them out more closely this season. I'll post a few pics of my tree later on today or tomorrow.

And I wish they were in Beverly Hills! haha ;). They are in Hawthorne. But who knows...birds go pretty far...

ok, this year I will make sure I collect good records of it, hopefully it will be improved too.

Here are some pictures of trees. Enjoy. Let me know if you can't see the pictures.

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Aaron,

These news are very interesting. We are always learning figs and their mysterious behaviors.
The famous dust you mention, blowing off through  the eye can only be pollen from their male flowers...ideal to be collected with a ear syringe to 'hand pollinate' Smyrna's and Common alike.
These are Caprifigs without wasps (polleniferous) already mentioned by Eisen long time ago.
This variety is not very common. When ripe they are extremely soft
Although being edible, very few people eat this fruit.   (see pictures)

This particular fig apparently behaves according to the definition put forward by Harvey for a Persistent caprifig.

Francisco

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Wow, very interesting Francisco. So basically, the fig you posted about is a caprifig and a common fig? My mind is blown!

Alan,

The heart shaped fig (Shelb) shown above is a genuine, true Caprifig of the Mamme crop (the 3rd).
This fig becomes ripen by about this date (20/25th March). The following crop  (Profichi) no longer presents that heart shape...it will be more oblong and bigger.
the attached picture  shows a cutaway of this Profichi

Francisco


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Francisco, this amazes me how I was originally thinking it could be Capri...LOL then every body was saying can't be, can't be... then thanks to your findings, which verified the info I had gathered myself and through the owner that leads to this.
So... in short; 
this this fig
- has enormous size
- dry inside, yet
- watery-slightly sweet flesh
- produces dust
- by this time  the tree is full of flower that already looks big (just like Caprifigs in general)
- They never fall of the tree, no matter how ripe they feel. (some other characteristic, that I found out, of a Caprifig)

When I first held the ripe fig in my hands it felt heavy, and when dust came out as I squeezed, I thought My God... this is one sick fig... but in reality this poor thing is the miracle of Mother Nature that exists just to improve even more what's already good.
I am having a philosophical moment, tribute to this rare and not much known about variety (who's name I yet to learn) and rethinking the saying that goes... "Don't judge the book by it's cover"

Aaron,

If you can, you should keep a good record of these special wild figs with good pictures showing both the exterior/interior of the figs with the corresponding dates and locations.
I wouldn't be surprised that on that same tree you also find  other Caprifigs full of wasps

I would say, the pollen from these figs should be tested at the proper timing (3rd/4th week of June) in an area known to be free of wasps, by some volunteer with Smyrna and/or San Pedro fruit already receptive.
This would help to evaluate its effectiveness

Just an idea, ... try and cut a deal with 'KK4DFU' to try and have his Marabouts (an excellent Tunisian Smyrna) apparently already established in his orchard but lacking the wasps. Others may be interested to hand pollinate with that pollen. This season may be ideal for the first tests

Francisco

I'd be open to that Francisco.


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